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04-07-2011 07:43 PM  6 years agoPost 3201
BobOD

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And, I bought a complete ready to fly, used Trex600N decked out with all top notch electronics. Then bought used (but never even run) YS91 for it. I think I'm still under $800.
Go go electric revolution. I'm looking to pick up another pretty soon.

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04-07-2011 07:44 PM  6 years agoPost 3202
Rogman88

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Bob was that a flybarred heli?

High Voltage just works better

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04-07-2011 08:08 PM  6 years agoPost 3203
Band1086

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if it is more economical to buy $20-$40 packs, then why would anyone buy $180 packs?
Because if you fly a lot you get high performance + long cycle life. But if you don't fly much the cheapos are more economically viable due to 2-3 year shelf life even on the good ones. So, if you want high performance but don't want to fly much you have to pay the piper and some are in that situation. If you fly a lot the 65C's are a better value because of the long cycle life. If a person simply cannot spend the money up front, then they will have to suffer buying cheapos or fuel as they can afford it. But whether you buy cheapos or fuel you're going to lose performance.
That's 60 flights a year per pack. Already, that's 10 years to reach 600 flights.
That's why cheapos might be better in that situation. If a person wants the high performance of 65C's, then they going to have to pay. But flying that little a person could get away with one set off batts.
What works for one may not for another.
Agreed! If a person flies a lot, they can get very high performance and very good value from 65C's. If not and you cut the cycles you get from them to 200, you still get high performance, and equal flight time from them. However, lower than that the cheapos might be a better option, but performance will be sacrificed.

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04-07-2011 08:10 PM  6 years agoPost 3204
BladeStrikes

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But what does that have to do with E vs. N in cost factoring except that it puts more of a damper on the N side?
Your not just talking about that and your not factoring anything because all your doing is guessing/spouting.Where's the proof/data?Show us some proof of a lipo getting 3-4-5-600+ cycles getting rang out?All your doing is talking/guessing,no hard facts at all and it's the same thing year after year.The TP 45C pack's get around 150 cycles (TP claimed 400+ ) but you want people to believe that a 65C (Higher discharge) pack will hit 600 cycle's ,stop talking and post some believable solid fact's/data.If you can't then why make claim's about something you can't prove?I see how long TP pack's last and about to buy 2 for myself.The video I posted,i'll give that Turnigy 50 cycle's flying it like that and report back,then do the same with the Thunder Power's..

As for nitro,get up to date on thing's before making it sound like their making no progress with motor's/power .The YS 120 pulls harder than ANY electric setup anyone has other than "The Beast" and noone has a electric badder than that .

I do like the comment about the YS 120 only getting 6 tank's to the gallon,guy must thing the tank got bigger some how just by changing the motor ..

Im more than happy with my electric and sure,it make's MORE power than my OS 55.One isn't out flying or doing any more than the other and you can't bog either.The electric is faster due to the high headspeed,that's the only thing they have over newer nitro motors .If your bogging a newer nitro motor then learn how to set it up..I have more fun now flying both than I did just owning one .

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04-07-2011 08:16 PM  6 years agoPost 3205
BladeStrikes

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The last N engine I had was a 91 HZ with kline reg, dual glow plug Viper head, and Hitori SB-20 pipe to the tune of $800.
If you knew any better,you would know that the Cline reg wasn't needed.The carb on the OS 91HZ is the same bore as the modded Cline,all you did was made the motor run a little more consistant.Could of bought 2 YS 91SR's with pipe's for the price you spent and got better power.

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04-07-2011 09:11 PM  6 years agoPost 3206
Rogman88

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Your not just talking about that and your not factoring anything because all your doing is guessing/spouting.Where's the proof/data?Show us some proof of a lipo getting 3-4-5-600+ cycles getting rang out?All your doing is talking/guessing,no hard facts at all and it's the same thing year after year
Now now Lon, temper, temper. Don't want to get banned again do ya?

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04-07-2011 09:15 PM  6 years agoPost 3207
BobOD

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Bob was that a flybarred heli?
Not any more.
Actually, that's just why I'm looking for another heli. I had to get the flybar off the "monster" but I always like to keep a flybarred heli in service as I'm always trying out new things. Running prototypes on flybarless helis has proven to be worth avoiding if possable.

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04-07-2011 10:11 PM  6 years agoPost 3208
Richardmid1

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I have recently bought a 700E. Here are 2 reasons I didn't get a 700N (I did think about it):

1. I use £38 (shipped) Li-po's, x2 = £76, thats 2.5 gallons worth of 30% nitro here in the UK, thats 25 flights on the N?, I already have 25 cycles on the packs so any flights I do on my 700E from now on are virtually free.

2. I have been getting 2 flights in in a field at the side of the road on my way home from work (9 mins flying total), something I couldn't or would have really struggled to do with a 700N.

Oh there is actually a 3rd, everyone has a 700N, 700E's are something different and have that extra wow factor.

60% of the time, it works every time!

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04-07-2011 11:01 PM  6 years agoPost 3209
BladeStrikes

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Richardmid1,
I would be 100% electric also if I had to pay that much for fuel.That suck's and sorry to hear that .

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04-07-2011 11:26 PM  6 years agoPost 3210
Ronald Thomas

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As for nitro,get up to date on thing's before making it sound like their making no progress with motor's/power .The YS 120 pulls harder than ANY electric setup anyone has other than "The Beast" and noone has a electric badder than that
Completely opinion. Nobody has flown the YS120 OR the BEast back to back....except the owner so he would be the only one qualified to give anything close to a factual statement on that one. Very few of us have seen that motor in a heli in person...I have not. I am sure it is more powerful than the .90 sized motors now but E helis are leaps and bounds more powerful than .90 sized helis now so I would love to see the YS120 vs 14s 5035 Scorp race any day

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04-07-2011 11:32 PM  6 years agoPost 3211
BladeStrikes

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Tim jone's has and noone has a badder electric than him.Watch the video and see what he say's so you know the fact's..

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04-07-2011 11:36 PM  6 years agoPost 3212
Ronald Thomas

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Tim Jones own both machines....that was my point. Only he can comment on which one pulls harder or has more power. I watched the vid on the "other" site. Is there another one I missed???

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04-08-2011 12:01 AM  6 years agoPost 3213
BladeStrikes

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It's up there with the electric's but say's his electric still make's more power which is a no brainer.My 600E make's way more power than my 600N and not one person can out fly either or bog either.My little 6S electric make more consistant power from start to finish (NO power loss) for the whole 4 min flight unlike most 12S setup's that start dropping off around 2 1/2 min's.I love both and think everyone should own one of each.I don't deny the power of electric's but all they have over nitro is their little faster due to the higher headspeed.LOT's of the comment's here are from people that never owned a nitro or comment on their out dated motor that they don't even have anymore ..This is a "my swang is bigger than your" but noone will look ..

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04-08-2011 12:21 AM  6 years agoPost 3214
OICU812

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As many here know gearing for proper headroom with good governor is the difference on electrics. On my 12s larger electrics there is zero difference in performance start to finish this is being 100% truthful. I am geared for 25-30% headroom, therefore even with cheaper packs I can maintain same performance level throughout the flight.

...Once upon a time there were Nitros, flybars and frequency pins...

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04-08-2011 12:33 AM  6 years agoPost 3215
BladeStrikes

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Please don't think I said all because I didn't ..Im also useing cheap pack's ..

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04-08-2011 12:34 AM  6 years agoPost 3216
OICU812

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Yes I know I'm just saying that what is seen by many in drop off or sag could be fixed by going up a pinion size and governing is all.

What you see on your smaller heli start to finish can be certainly obtained on the larger ones as well.

...Once upon a time there were Nitros, flybars and frequency pins...

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04-08-2011 02:42 AM  6 years agoPost 3217
Joe90

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Stubborn poeples, that a shame !

Electric dont fly as long with the same average power that is a fact, but put out more peak power that's it.

After having 500 flights on a 90 vibe vs 500 flights a a 690 blades electric. I prefer electric just because it require much less maintenance, simpler, quieter. They have their problems too but there is less problems to tackle with.

Is electric cheaper ? if you fly regularly, yes.

If you prefer nitro, I am perfectly ok with that.
Why nitro guy care about electric that much, I dont get it.

You think nitro is superior, good for you
To me, a nitro guy prefer fiddling with needles, clunk, clunk tubing, mufflers, glow plugs, shims, one-way bearings, starters, fuel pump, cloggeg regulator than flying.

Fun for you ? good, this is a hobby and it is for fun after all.

But this is not for me anymore :-)

Bye

Michel

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04-08-2011 05:35 AM  6 years agoPost 3218
BobOD

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Pretty real but you could have said that without all the jabs at nitro.

It's a pissing match....we just have to do it.

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04-08-2011 05:41 AM  6 years agoPost 3219
mrford

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wow you are right it is a real cool hobby we all have fun i have been an electric guy just turn it on and go .I don't fly fast and no 3d so i get 10 minuets on my t rex 500 its a real nice ship than i discovered Gassers mind you I fly slow but gas is for me 2 pulls and it runs like a clock . It wont have nearly the power of an electric but its my baby .I stretched a t rex 600 to 700 changed the head and boom other than reduced flit times it worked fine there is an incredible amount of power in those stretched .

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04-08-2011 08:41 AM  6 years agoPost 3220
flycatch

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I got rid of my nitro birds due to the cost of 30% nitro. Yes, the initial cost when I converted to electrics was high but I should be able to break even in about a year. I now have; two chargers and six flight battery packs. I can now hear the sound of the rotor blades winding up and it reminds me of a real turbine powerplant. However, if 30% nitro sold for $20 USD a gallon I would still be flying nitro. Any thing powered by an electric motor is not a machine. I love the smell of nitro.

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