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04-07-2011 01:21 PM  6 years agoPost 3181
BobOD

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And just to complete the picture, Band, what about someone who has several helis and may only put 15 or 20 flights a year on some packs? Are they going to get 600 flights out of a pack?

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04-07-2011 01:51 PM  6 years agoPost 3182
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600 flights per pack ?!
I seriously doubt you will get 600 flights out of it with out tacoing or crashing your packs.

1000$ bucks of nitro would be worth about 3-4 seasons for my 50
for those that only fly during the summer months

I understand you compared 2 90's try comparing 2 50'S as most fly 50's

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04-07-2011 03:03 PM  6 years agoPost 3183
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Go get em Band!!!

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04-07-2011 03:20 PM  6 years agoPost 3184
Richardmid1

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electrics make HP but very little torque
I.c engines make both pretty evenly
Whats this guy on about! hahaha!

An electric motor can rip your arm off at 1 rpm, can an I.C. engine even do 1 rpm??

Can a manual car set off in second or third gear at idle? NO

Have a look at the electric drag cars, 1 gear, monster torque!

60% of the time, it works every time!

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04-07-2011 03:22 PM  6 years agoPost 3185
Rogman88

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Whats this guy on about! hahaha!
Ignorance is bliss.

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04-07-2011 03:46 PM  6 years agoPost 3186
Santiago P

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electrics make HP but very little torque
I.c engines make both pretty evenly
"This is your last chance CX1. After this, there is no turning back. You take the blue pill - the story ends, you wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the red pill - you stay in Wonderland and I show you how deep the rabbit-hole goes."

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04-07-2011 03:49 PM  6 years agoPost 3187
Rogman88

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You take the blue pill
Viagra...

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04-07-2011 04:33 PM  6 years agoPost 3188
Band1086

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what about someone who has several helis and may only put 15 or 20 flights a year on some packs? Are they going to get 600 flights out of a pack?
For someone who only flies 20 flights a year on packs, I suppose they should get the cheapo($20-$40) packs, because then they have a chance to wear them out!
I seriously doubt you will get 600 flights out of it with out tacoing or crashing your packs.
Maybe not, but I've never crashed and taken out both packs on a 700. And consider this from the same article:
Available in capacities from 325mAh to 7700mAh and in configurations from 1S 3.7V to 10S 37.07V, there’s a G6 Pro Power 65C series battery available for just about any application and at prices lower than the G4 Pro Power 45C batteries they replace. Best of all Thunder Power RC batteries are backed by an industry-leading full 2-year warranty and 50% off damage replacement program coverage AND ARE STILL PROUDLY ASSEMBLED AND SUPPORTED IN THE USA!
I believe that crash warranty is good for 2 years(not certain 'til I call TP though) which means the damaged batt can be replaced for $125 on a 700. Also, in the mix, is the fact that the expensive muffler on the nitro can be taco'd in a crash pretty easily(I've done it myself).
1000$ bucks of nitro would be worth about 3-4 seasons for my 50
for those that only fly during the summer months
That's 50 gallons of fuel in 3-4 years. Even if one only flies 6 months out of the year, that is only 2-3 flights a week on a 600! As stated before, cheapo packs might be the way to go and are still much cheaper than fuel becaue they probably won't wear out not using them much, and they cost very little. Plus a gen and power supply are not needed as charging them 2-3 times a week can easily be done from a car battery. So all you need for the E is a charger and some cheapo batts...very inexpensive indeed!
I understand you compared 2 90's try comparing 2 50'S as most fly 50's
Alright, 8 min flights(14 oz tank) 10 flights per gallon = 80 mins per gallon on a 600N. 4 mins on a 600E(with high HS, with compareable to N, more time) at 1200 cycles(2 sets of batts at 600/ set) = 4800 mins of flight time. So, 4800/ 80 = 60 gallons @ $20/ gallon is $1200 = worth of fuel. The 65C's retail fot $170 ea. X 4 = $680 for the same number of mins, which is a savings of $520...not as much as the 700 size, but still a lot!
Am I an "E fanboy"? the answer to that is a resounding YES! and there are many very good reasons for it! In the recent past E's were flown for the novilty of it, but soon the N's will be flown for the novilty of it. You nay sayers should be kept up on the fantastic tech advances, then there would be no reason to try to defend old tech...but I guess that's what I'm trying to do, keeping advancements in the light.

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04-07-2011 04:50 PM  6 years agoPost 3189
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Quote
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You take the blue pill
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Viagra...
...and you end up in a bath tub.

Seriously CX1, you need to get your information straight. Torque and power goes to electric. Cheaper operating cost goes to electric. Reduced maintenance goes to electric. Simplicity of use goes to electric. Cleanliness goes to electric. Initial heli price is close but still goes to electric (this assumes you already have your needed charging equipment and you can use your existing batteries from your other helis).

The only advantage of nitro is slightly higher flight times, but this comes at the expense of less power. Even though BobOD still hasn't seen the light with respect to the power of electric, the rest of us have, and it is verifiable with data loggers (not theory) unlike the power output of a nitro engine over the entire flight.

I'm willing to bet that many of you nitro fanboys are also "Birthers"! Dogmatic in your belief even when the preponderance of evidence is in your face.

Now the pot is stirred!

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04-07-2011 04:54 PM  6 years agoPost 3190
Rogman88

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Man walked, got a horse and buggy, then cars.
Similar analogy...
Planks, got nitro helis, then electric helis.

Anyone got carbon spoons for stirring the pot? This old technology of stirring with wooden spoons seems too messy and innefficient.

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04-07-2011 05:04 PM  6 years agoPost 3191
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So, they are saying 600+ cycles on the new G6 65C lipo's
HA HA this is all hype! 600+ cycles...LOL until it has been proven for anyone to get a 1/3 of that, it means nothing!

Your entire post is all about claims and marketing.

Over 600 cycles your smoking some good stuff.

I have yet to see in person from any heli pilot with any lipo get over 120 cycles with out getting "Soft" Pure marketing hype.

I have the TP 45C lipos and the internal resistance is higher than a couple non popular packs. It was hype about the 45C and I believe its hype with the 65C! Real user reports from all over have typed the same... TP does not live up to the HYPE of hundreds of cycles.

But hey, they got you convinced, what great marketing TP has
Just goes to show. Don't believe everything you read, especially marketing hype.

Maybe when everyone that flies electric helis (Non Sponsored) gets over reported 200 cycles of hard flight, then maybe only half of your numbers are accurate with your cost calculation

Until then..... Nitro Rules!

The electrics seem to keep deceiving? In so many ways
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04-07-2011 05:07 PM  6 years agoPost 3192
BladeStrikes

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04-07-2011 05:15 PM  6 years agoPost 3193
Rogman88

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I believe Kyle Dahl has some voltz packs with well over 200 cylcles and he still flies the crap out of them.

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04-07-2011 05:52 PM  6 years agoPost 3194
Band1086

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Ravenhyper50
The expert has spoken!

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04-07-2011 06:24 PM  6 years agoPost 3195
BladeStrikes

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Band1086,
You said you never flown/owned a newer nitro engine but you think your some kind of expert ?

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04-07-2011 06:33 PM  6 years agoPost 3196
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Before I comment to one of the posts, I will have to say that I currently own and fly both electric AND nitro. They both have good and bad points.

That said, to reply to a comment about number of cycles and the marketing hype. I do agree a lot of it is hype. The same goes for fuel brands, etc. That's marketing for you. However, I know for a FACT that you can get well over 300+ cycles on a battery as long as you take care of them with proper charger, etc.

Not to backpedal, but there is a gentleman who flies at a semi-local field who does mild 3d and runs the Turnigy batteries. He's not a "pro" and doesn't wring out his heli like some of you might. But he still has well over 320+ cycles on the packs and they are still running as strong as new. So in my opinion, it's very possible to get close to the 600 cycles some quote. This, like everything is based on proper charging/discharging, etc.

All that aside I have to say.. ALL HELI's RULE!!

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04-07-2011 07:05 PM  6 years agoPost 3197
Rogman88

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You said you never flown/owned a newer nitro engine but you think your some kind of expert ?
Lon, for lack of a better word..."Yes".

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04-07-2011 07:34 PM  6 years agoPost 3198
Band1086

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The last N engine I had was a 91 HZ with kline reg, dual glow plug Viper head, and Hitori SB-20 pipe to the tune of $800. But what does that have to do with E vs. N in cost factoring except that it puts more of a damper on the N side?

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04-07-2011 07:37 PM  6 years agoPost 3199
BobOD

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For someone who only flies 20 flights a year on packs, I suppose they should get the cheapo($20-$40) packs, because then they have a chance to wear them out!
Band, I don't mean to nit pick and you do make some interesting points. A little abbreviated is all. For example, if it is more economical to buy $20-$40 packs, then why would anyone buy $180 packs? Without more details, it isn't a solution. Even under my flight patterns, I find it best to buy performance....not cheap.
Also, you need to consider the multiple heli fleet that a lot of people have. I might put 20-30 flights on one heli in a month but next month that's another heli. Then a crash might change the pattern.

To try to simplify it, consider this. Imaging someone has just 2 helis, and 2 packs per heli. Let's say they have time to fly two weekends a month, 20 flights per weekend, for a 6 month season. That's 60 flights a year per pack. Already, that's 10 years to reach 600 flights.
Now, add that many people have 4 or more helis and don't fly them all in equal proportions. Then add planks. (yes...it's embarrassing but I still fly planks...some flybars even. )
I don't know how much time your busy life lets you fly but there are many many people who never get to fly that much. What works for one may not for another.

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04-07-2011 07:42 PM  6 years agoPost 3200
Rogman88

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if it is more economical to buy $20-$40 packs, then why would anyone buy $180 packs?
I think Band was referring to the natural degredation insued by lipos (similar to old nitro gone bad) over a coarse of time. If one isn't going to be flying much in a year then the cheaper batteries would be more cost effective if they are going to degrade anyway.

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