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04-07-2011 03:18 AM  6 years agoPost 3161
BladeStrikes

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04-07-2011 03:20 AM  6 years agoPost 3162
mmc205

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Electric = Soft over time

Nitro = hard core till the last drop.

ha, when your lipo is nearly dead, an your motor shot, after a few million flights, you will have similar power to nitro.

come on dude, there is little dispute that electric is MUCH more powerful, lately for similar flight times than nitro.

i can pull 5000 watts (6.6 hp) easy at 1800 rpm from a 9lb electric 90, how much does your 90 make?

oh yeah, thats right flight times. yeah darn my logo 600se only gets about 7 or 8 minutes

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04-07-2011 03:26 AM  6 years agoPost 3163
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If you think your getting 6.6HP from the motor output shaft your...

Lets see some of your 8 min flights with your logo, must not be hardcore

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04-07-2011 03:33 AM  6 years agoPost 3164
Ravenhyper50

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Watch at YouTube

He spanks his Nitro way harder than his electrics!

I wonder why?? Because Nitro Rules!!

That is one impressive Nitro flight!!!

Another +++++ NITRO is better than electric

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04-07-2011 03:38 AM  6 years agoPost 3165
Santiago P

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nitro will always give you more stick time per dollar than electric ever will.
and buying the more "expensive packs" only further proves that nitro is less expensive than electric over the run of 1 season
hmm 300$ could be lost in 1 crash or over discharged once not worth the risk. probably why most would choose the 100$ pack instead
This info is mistaken and I will respond at length later this evening when I have time...
OMG the suspence is killing me, over 3l60 posts and we finally going to get the punchline to this thread

This is it everyone, stop watching bald eagle eggs hatching and tune to this thread.

......................Who will win?.....................


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THE END IS NEAR!!!!!
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WOO-freaking-HOO!!!!

ROTFL

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04-07-2011 03:42 AM  6 years agoPost 3166
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mmc205

Electric = Soft over time

Nitro = hard core till the last drop.
you may have misunderstood or maybe I did?

electric looses power during the flight
nitro gives 100% from start finish in flight

what good is 6+ horse when more than half that is wasted energy

an electric motor will never out perform an I.C. engine when it comes to torque.
and if electric ever does come close how much wasted energy would that take ?
electrics make HP but very little torque
I.c engines make both pretty evenly

Your electrons are weaker than my explosive fuel

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04-07-2011 03:52 AM  6 years agoPost 3167
Santiago P

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an electric motor will never out perform an I.C. engine when it comes to torque.
SHANK-a-POTEMUS

I have to say, that is the waekest punchline I ever heard,

AND

the WRONG-E-DEST statement I ever read... (ok, I read worst)

Have you ever looked at a 100hp IC versus a 100hp motor?
Go over your mechanical power generation books one more time...

I guess is not the end, isn't it?

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04-07-2011 03:58 AM  6 years agoPost 3168
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I guess thats why the big trucks are diesel instead of electric
electrics will never out torque an IC engine unless you're dreaming

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04-07-2011 04:00 AM  6 years agoPost 3169
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Electrics have less torque??? Did you miss a physics lesson?

An electric motor will have more torque than a engine... An electric motor will always have that torque available sooner too.

Electric motors aren't in large trucks because the electric source required for the motor just isn't available at the moment...

BUT what do you think is used on most nuclear warships...

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04-07-2011 04:21 AM  6 years agoPost 3170
BobOD

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can pull 5000 watts (6.6 hp) easy at 1800 rpm from a 9lb electric 90, how much does your 90 make?
Where were you 75 pages ago?

PULLS that much power from the battery. Electric motor output is not documented...only some theory. And, such reports are often just a quick peak that is given. Shown to not mean all that much about 60 pages ago.

And, the challenge to show a 7-8 minute e-flight that compares to the power of a 7-8 minute Nitro flight has not been met...despite several attempts.

And, just so you know, I'm a Nitro AND electric guy. Which better, blonds or brunettes? I don't know....best to have both.

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04-07-2011 04:26 AM  6 years agoPost 3171
Eco8gator

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Most 3D demo flights are no longer than 4-5 mins.

Watch at YouTube

This is possibly the most powerful motor for your Logo 600. It was about 90 deg out and the motor temp after the flight was 120... Not much energy was wasted in heat...

I am 100% sure this heli with this motor will own all in regard to power.

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04-07-2011 04:46 AM  6 years agoPost 3172
BobOD

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I don't think too many people are seriously suggesting that electrics don't produce the highest power levels. More of a power + duration balance thing.

Then again, I still haven't found anyone (besides me of course) with a 600 class running a 91 at 23-2400 RPM that can drain a tank in 4 minutes flat. I figure that's probably because not too many Nitro guys feel the need for such power at such a reduced flight time. I don't know....just wondering??? Could very well be that going between duration and power is easier with electric. That's what I like about electric. Easy, clean, low maintenance. But, it still doesn't come close to replacing Nitro for me.

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04-07-2011 05:00 AM  6 years agoPost 3173
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YAWN fockers! You still all talking about this BS? Someone close the thread allready...... The noise for some people seems to make them think there is more power, very odd..

...Once upon a time there were Nitros, flybars and frequency pins...

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04-07-2011 05:01 AM  6 years agoPost 3174
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I think I said it before...I have one that I actually help setup locally.

It has crazy power but feels a tad heavy in the air. The heli still isn't as powerful as a good electric though and I think it gets less flight time too. The 90 setup gets a similar flight time to my 6s TREX 600...

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04-07-2011 05:01 AM  6 years agoPost 3175
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And BTW, to anyone waiting for Band's response, you might me up for a waisted night of lack of sleep. He's quite the joker.

DOH....that's it. I'm going to sleep right now!

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04-07-2011 05:06 AM  6 years agoPost 3176
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I think I said it before...I have one that I actually help setup locally.
Yes, I remember that. But you said it was un-bogable and would not even strip a T600 gear....which tells me you didn't gear it to use the full power of a 90.

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04-07-2011 05:08 AM  6 years agoPost 3177
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Enjoy your 4 min 90 powered 600 Its the best ever!

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04-07-2011 05:15 AM  6 years agoPost 3178
dbldins

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It's only a matter of stick time for me!! One of these days!!
ELECTRIC OR NITRO I don't give a sh#$!! Flyin is what it's all about!!

I'm addicted to flying! Seriously!! I need rehelihab!

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04-07-2011 06:42 AM  6 years agoPost 3179
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nitro will always give you more stick time per dollar than electric ever will.
and buying the more "expensive packs" only further proves that nitro is less expensive than electric over the run of 1 season
hmm 300$ could be lost in 1 crash or over discharged once not worth the risk. probably why most would choose the 100$ pack instead
Alright here we go! For right now I'm only going to speak about the 700 class helis. Here's a quote from an article at RCHeli Resource.com:
The New Pinnacle of Performance – The World’s Most Advanced, Most Powerful and Longest Lasting LiPo Batteries Yet!
Thunder Power RC introduces all-new Generation 6 (G6) Pro Power 65C series batteries capable of technology-leading charge rates up to 12C* and delivering up to 60% more power and 600+ cycles for high-power airplane, EDF, 3D helicopter and other demanding applications.
So, they are saying 600+ cycles on the new G6 65C lipo's and these batteries retail for $250 ea. So I'm going to figure 4 5000 6S 65C's.
And I'm going to figure 6 mins of flight time for a 700 electric and 8 mins of flight time for a nitro 90.
If I have 2 flight packs consisting of 2 batteries each and get 600 cycles from each flight pack, then that is a total of 1200 flights. And the total flight time in minutes is 7200. The cost of the batteries is $1000.
Next, for nitro, I will figure 6.5 flights per gallon(that's the most I ever got) X 8 mins per flight is 52 mins of flight time per gallon.
Now, if we take the total mins of flight time for the 2 sets of 65C's which is 7200 and we divide it by the flight time in mins per gallon which is 52, we get approx. 138 gallons of fuel used to get the flight time in minutes that the 65C's are going give.
So, 138 gallons times $20/ gallon(some pay a little less, and most a little more, and some a lot more) is $2760 compared to $1000 for 4 65C's. That leaves $1760 for a Gen($900), a Meanwell RSP-1500-24 power supply($430), and 2X icharger 306B's($400), with a $30 dollars left over. And at the end of the 7200 minutes of flight, you will have to drop your 65C's in salt water for a few days and then throw them in the household trash and spend another $1000. Or you will have to have rebuilt your nitro 90 at least once if not twice or replace it(I never heard of one lasting 900 flights) and throw away 138 empty gallon jugs plus the 35 cardboard cases the came in and spend another $2760. After the the first 7200 mins the Gen, PS and chargers are paid off, then the second set of 65C's are just over 1/3 the cost of nitro. And yes it does take a little effort(using the timer) to make sure you don't over discharge the batteries, whereas nitro is simpler IE if your engine runs out of fuel, just auto and refuel.
And BTW electrics are VERY consistent throughout the flight if they are set up right, that is why people over discharge their batts because they can't tell.
Much more could be said about E's being cheaper, but I'll stop for now...

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04-07-2011 09:04 AM  6 years agoPost 3180
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I can fly all day long with my generator set up.



Why buy?? when you can borrow and no return

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