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09-02-2003 01:08 PM  14 years agoPost 1
switch blade

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raptor or hawk which has a cheaper crash index.

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09-02-2003 03:12 PM  14 years agoPost 2
SteveH

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This pole, like most others is just a popularity contest, so why don't you price out the common crash parts and see for yourself.

Additionally, don't forget the common parts that fail routinely and put that into the equasion as well, such as the clutches on the Raptors.

The government cannot give you anything without first taking it from someone else.

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09-02-2003 03:44 PM  14 years agoPost 3
Vertical Limit

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I would consider which parts are easier to get. Then choose But my vote goes to the Sceadu.

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09-02-2003 04:56 PM  14 years agoPost 4
Indrid

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either or, the hawk is a great learner platform and is cheaper but like others have said the raptor comes "out of the box" ready for more things.

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09-02-2003 04:57 PM  14 years agoPost 5
bradraptor30

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Sceadu.

Sceadu.

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09-02-2003 07:23 PM  14 years agoPost 6
Gearhead

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it may be true that the Raptor's parts cost less,,, but, I think you would find that the Hawk would have less parts that brake in a comparative crash !!


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09-02-2003 09:20 PM  14 years agoPost 7
bellecrank

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Crash survival

Both are worthy heli's, having experience with both I found the Hawk less expensive to crash. Even the most expensive crash can only amount to $160.00!!

But I also like the fact that the Hawk's initial cost left me with $100.00 to spend on a radio. This allows one in most cases for the same money to start with a 5 point radio (Airtronics 6000S or 8000S or the HiTech Eclipse) instead of a basic three point units and/or a better gyro.

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09-02-2003 10:10 PM  14 years agoPost 8
Jeff H

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Now, keep in mind that I am not a beginner, and here is my 2Cents since I have owned 3 raptors and a hawk sport.

The Raptor used to drive me nuts with the wah-wahs and clutch issues but those have been reportedly all fixed on the V2. Out of the box it is a much better heli, now let me elaborate:

The 2 stage gearing of the hawk robbs engine power.
The wire tail drive in the hawk will give you fits trying to keep the tail still, you could upgrade to the torque tube, but that increases the crash cost by $40.
the Hawk has a strange collective system with inherent geometry problems and you need to do a p.mix to fix it, easy enough to do, but not if your a newbee.
The fuel foams constantly if you run a high headspeed because the tank is soo rigidly attached to the frames
My swashplate had unacceptable play after a gallon or 2 on the hawk, another upgrade.
And the list goes on.

The only way the hawk will save you money in a crash is if you total a stock one, which is not likley for a newbee, you (as Colin said) have to be high and fast to do that.

I liked the Raptors except for the issues noted above, and since they have been resolved I will get another one some day. I will never buy another hawk sport.

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09-03-2003 01:09 AM  14 years agoPost 9
Buzzin Brian

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I have owned 3 Hawks, and still own 2 Raptors. One of my Raptors is a V1 30, and the other is a V2 50. A I can say first hand that the V2 is a nice bird. They fixed pretty much all of the V1's issues. But the only issue I ever had with my V1 is the clutch broke one time. But that was due to me not installing the clutch liner correctly. It came out in flight, and the clutch got sprung. Thereby breaking it. Other than that, all of the "normal" problems associated with the Raptor V1 have yet to pop up with mine. And the crash cost is great with them as well. As for the Hawks I had, they were "OK". But like was said the wire drive is a serious pain. My SE I upgraded to the torque tube drive. Now that made life much easier. And the bird performed well. I didn't care for the gear reduction drive either, and the pitch setup wasn't to my likeing as well. All in all it was a good bird. That being said, one good nose first crash from relativly high up absolutly totaled the bird. Which I am sure would have totaled either machine. But all in all an average crash with the 30 V1 has been cheaper that any I had with the Hawk. I know if I were in the market for that size heli today, I would buy the Raptor 50 V2 without a doubt. But that is me!

Build it, fly it, crash it. Repeat as often as needed.

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