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HelicopterThunder TigerOther › Best engine for the Raptor 30 V2 ? (Raptor 50 info needed also)
09-04-2003 09:48 AM  14 years agoPost 21
yah1003_us

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Cash costs of 30 and 50 are not similar......

because of the main blades!


In fact, I have different opinion with most people here, R30 is good for practicing many basic manuvers, R50 has the power/weight ratio to performance nice 3Ds.

I have R30/TT39 and R50/TT50, I learned many basic manuveurs with R30, not just basic ones, I learned many advanced 3D with R30 such like piroflip!

30 size engine consumes much less fuel, and for a beginner with many practicing, money on fuel may be a factor to consider. I usually stop flying R30/TT39 before the fuel gets empty when my legs start shaking!

Another issue is that for 30 size heli, I am not afraid of using wood blades, but for 50 heli, I usually use FRP or even Carbon blades due to the much larger torque generated by the 50 size engine. For a newbie, crash when practicing a BASIC manuver with wood blades is much better than an FRP or Carbon blades!

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09-04-2003 10:26 AM  14 years agoPost 22
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For a beginner there is no reason not to use 600mm woodies which are not much more than 55s. Just looking at the prices in fact and the crash kit for the 50V2 (w/o blades) is £20, 600mm TT woodies a further £20. The V2 30 crash kit is £50 as it comes with a few extra bits (fins) that you hardly ever need anyway. I can't see that the cost argument holds any water.

I am sure that many have flown woodies on 60 sized machines in the past so why is it a problem using them in hovering and gentle circuits on a lightly loaded 50?


I too fly a 30 with a 39 in it but I'd still rather have bought a 50 if it had been available at the time (I have a very early production V1).

Also why is it that a beginner should have more restrictions on fuel cost than someone who has been flying for a while? I can't see the logic there at all. I know beginners who have the money to go out and buy a milli V2 and shove a 90 in it. Not the best idea in my opinion but budget has little to do with the stage of flying progress.

If I had to start again now, knowing what I know now I'd go the 50 route to avoid the upgrade cost when you get to the stage when you can really use that power. Then the saving you have made not having to buy the upgrade more than makes up for any additional fuel cost in getting to that point.

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09-04-2003 01:07 PM  14 years agoPost 23
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Using wood blades to do hover, circuit.... is fine, in fact I used wood blades on my R60 to do basic manuvers. But when it comes to more aggresive (still basic) 3D practicing, wood blade is not safe. But for R30/TT39 I even use wood blades to do piroflip.

The issue is safty, I have heard that some people, when doing circuit, the blade ejected!


Regarding the fuel cost, why a newbie need the abundant power (but fuel consuming) to practise hovering, circuit...... all those basic manuveurs? Burning 10 gallons of 30% and obtaining one hour of fly time to practice hovering instead of 3 hours of fly time, don't you think is a waste?

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09-04-2003 02:55 PM  14 years agoPost 24
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Indeed I do but then I wouldn't touch 30% with a barge pole. What's wrong with using 5% as you already have more power than required? If your 50 uses 10 gallons an hour I'd look for a leak...

Safety must always be the foremost issue but I don't believe that using the stock 600 woodies in the basic learing stage is even remotely dangerous. Once progressing into aerobatics and 3D then perhaps a change to carbons is called for. By then you ought to be good enough to recover from most situations (or you shouldn't be attempting aerobatics in the first place) and when it does go in the ground it's an extra few quid for the longer blades, big deal. A small price to pay for the extra performance and the extra power to get you out of the odd crash situation.

Anyway, in my opinion going the 50 route now is a better bet, in yah1003_us's view it isn't. Everyone's entitled to an opinion!

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