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10-07-2010 03:05 AM  7 years agoPost 21
777ER

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Good tenants are hard to find.

Weigh those options. Can you live w/ the apartment being vacant for a bit while you or a prop mgr finds another?

I had the same situation many years ago. I had a lease and it expired; the landlord wanted his nephew to move in so out I went. If they have a deposit, make *sure* it's in an interest bearing account lest you be on the hook for 3x.
I agree. As for one floor being empty, it's doable...in the lease they last signed, it mentioend the floor may be showcased by the landlord or associate for prospective tenants at any time within a 24 hr notice.

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10-07-2010 03:23 AM  7 years agoPost 22
777ER

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Your complaints seem kinda trivial and selfish, look at it from their point of view, your probably hard to get along with also. I mean, your washing machine is always broke, the front door makes loud noises when it shuts and had to be replaced, the landlord makes silly demands of about how they exit the house and wash there cloths.

As long as the rent gets paid on time and no major damage issues exist, I think you should move and not live with your tenants. Otherwise, stop complaining and be a better neighbor. Get up and open the door for them, give them a coffee.
How am I hard to get along? I fix everything no more than a week after being informed of the problem.

As for the washing machine, it was a brand new GE, then replaced again with same model.
Everytime it broke, it'd do the funky chicken dance across the laundry room hitting either the sink or the dryer which both are at least a foot away from the washer...I go down, grab the machine and unplug it to stop it, and see it's been overloaded.
Then replaced it with a Maytag a bit smaller capacity and now it's been almost a year and still doing good.

The old steel front door seals have been replaced recently in attempt to quiet it down, it did not help much. I even put in a adjustable rate door closer.

I replaced the front door to update the look of the house and to take advantage of the energy tax credit. The old sidelights was not even storm proof (not sure if it was a building code in 1980)

The old steel door did not have any windows on it, the new one does.

As for the rent payment, first one was underpaid...then paid up the 2nd month....second one missed by a month...then paid up in 2 weeks after a phone call to them, 3rd one was late by 2 weeks.

2 months ago I just got home form work and the guy from upstairs asked me how much it would cost to put a deck in, and how much to do drywall
I hope they're checking out houses...and not here.

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10-07-2010 03:41 AM  7 years agoPost 23
777ER

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I think your current tennant is golden.
I think your being unreasonable,
Kids are going to be kids man, its just the way it is. IF they are good paying tenants, then do things to make the hallways more quiet, and put something on the door to make it more quiet. Good paying tenants are hard to come by.
At least they don't have bad pets!
I have invested time and money in making things quiet for everyone;
replaced old steel door seals and skid plate, a year later got a whole new front door with frame... and got white noise machine for my bedroom and for the tenant downstairs...

the last thing I'm having done is the hallway carpet replacement with commerical grade soundproof insulation, got a measuring appointment from the flooring place next monday morning.

Other than that, I don't know what else to do other than replace the tenants.

For some reason, my dog likes everyone except them...he growls and barks at them after a few months he's been here...never done that before.

A few times I was comfortable with leaving my floor door unlocked to make a quick trip to the supermarket or locally, until one day I was home and saw the tenant upstairs opening my door and sticking his head in. I told him he can't do that and needs to knock, if no one answers, then no one is available.

Since my dog is aggressive towards them, the wife and I think he's been harmed or provoked when we were not home.
When I take him for a walk and he sees them, he gets very defensive and does not let any one of them come within a few feet of me, gives a growling warning.

Ever since, I've been locking my door in my floor.

The front door is always locked.

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10-07-2010 03:48 AM  7 years agoPost 24
DaytonHeliWife

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It's quite possible that the kids may have scared your dog...

Pets know evil!!

Citizen #211

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10-07-2010 03:49 AM  7 years agoPost 25
777ER

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I see your point; however, I would try some other techniques to get your end result of quite time.

Try adding thick or extra carpet padding upstairs, go to the hardware store and see about thick door insulation to stop the slamming issue, buy multiple washers and dryers and charge the tenants use and they will more than pay for themselves.

I say think smarter and you will keep money flowing in.
I checked my records and the carpet upstairs have double padding and it was installed by one of the previous tenants who owned a carpet store, mentioned double padding.

The door already has thick insulation and it does take effort to slam it.
Since it's a reputable brand, it glides closed without any effort and lightweight with triple hinges.

As for adding another washer and dryer in the laundry room, I did think of that and there's no feasible way in doing so.

I have a new bigger boiler in the laundry room with a indirect 80 gal hot water tank, and the dryer is just a foot away from the hot water tank, there is only enough room to install just one washer or a dryer. Not both

It's like this: Boiler/hot water tank/dryer/shelf/washer/sink

However I do like the idea of charging them for the use of the washer and dryer...only if I could get multiple washers and dryers.

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10-07-2010 03:55 AM  7 years agoPost 26
777ER

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If your the owner, you have to set up the rules upfront. If you give an inch they will want a foot. If you again give in they will want a yard.

It also depends on your area and how hard you hold your ground. It can also back fire and you will have no tenant. Noise during normal hours 6:30Am to 11:00PM you can't stop it unless they banging away with a hammer. That's why I live on the 2nd floor and rented out the first floor. Yes the basement is a long walk down to do the lanudry, and the tenant has no access to the side door to the basement. At first I allow my first tenant to install their own small washer in their kitchen. Had 2 prblems with water. Sink over flow due to drain plug and the other she forgot to hang the hose to the sink. Not problems after that. When they moved out and next tenant was looking to rent. I told them NO washing machine, access to basement or backyard. I also told them I have kids and they make noise up front.

I was lucky that had nice tenants.
I have to admit I've been a bit lack and don't get confrontal until the problem gets serious, then it's time to put my foot down.

I live in the 1st floor because I have access to the deck and the backyard for my dog and to take care of the lawn and landscape.

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10-07-2010 03:58 AM  7 years agoPost 27
z11355

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whats the issue here? no need to be confrontational.

put up a sign or 2 and/or write them a letter clearly stating what the problems are and what you want.

they will comply or they wont.

if they dont, then if you want, evict them.

there's really no need for all this drama or anxiety. you hold the cards in this situation.

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10-07-2010 04:02 AM  7 years agoPost 28
777ER

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777ER,

Do you need the income from the tenants to cover a mortgage on the property or is this for extra income? If you don't need it to cover the payment by all means give them their walking papers. You can usually do this yourself but I've have found that if you will go through a qualified attorney with experience with rental properties it will make life easier. You are within your rights as a landlord to expect certain things from your tenants and if they don't comply send them on their way. I have many rental properties both commercial and residential and it is your prerogative to conduct your investment in any way that you see fit. Since the lease is expired and they are on a month to month basis now it should be no trouble to rid yourself of the problem. That way your are free to choose and screen your new potential tenants to your liking. The best part about going through a qualified attorney is that they should have access to the casenet system to assist you in screening your new tenants for prior judgements, evictions, bankruptcies, etc. This is only my opinion and you should always get the opinion of legal council first but this approach has worked very well for me over the years.
80% of the income from the 2nd floor goes to taxes, yes that's right, school tax here is over 16 grand this year...
the rest pays for the electric and the water bills where the basement rent covers the rest plus profit.

No mortgage, house already has been paid off before it was inherited.

To play it safe, I already have a phone meeting with a very good realtor tomorrow morning to get new tenants, and will be using a attorney to prepare and serve them a eviction notice in case they try to pull anything.

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10-07-2010 04:04 AM  7 years agoPost 29
777ER

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777ER, do this, simply tell them that if the "door slamming and noise" doesn't stop you will raise the rent $30 do to "wear and tear" on the door and stairs, and use the words "common courtesy" when you tell them ..
Good idea, noted

At least they could give courtesy since their rent haven't been raised for 3 years...

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10-07-2010 04:08 AM  7 years agoPost 30
GimbalFan (RIP)

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. . . my dog likes everyone except them...he growls and barks at them after a few months he's been here...never done that before . . . the wife and I think he's been harmed or provoked when we were not home. When I take him for a walk and he sees them, he gets very defensive and does not let any one of them come within a few feet of me, gives a growling warning.
Of all the info you've provided, this to me speaks louder than all the rest. Your animal is telling you all you need to know about whether or not this family deserves to continue living under your (and his) roof. Dogs are wiser about human character than people give 'em credit for.

Evict 'em. And then -- with probably less effort than it will no doubt cost you to continue dealing with these inconsiderate, unappreciative pricks -- you could find tenants who are worthy of what you're offering.

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10-07-2010 04:12 AM  7 years agoPost 31
777ER

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I'm really sorry that you've got such pains in that home.

I hate to say it, but if they're good tenants, aside from the minor irritations of taking your laundry out of the washer, kids running around and stomping on the floors, and those kind of things, but they're paying rent on time and aren't disruptive with loud, crazy parties, then they have a right to stay there. Kids are gonna stomp, run, scream, etc... especially at early times of the morning, because they have to go to school during the week (if they're of that age).

A suggestion that I may offer is to put a laminated sign on the washer with a magnet, saying "Washer in use. Please wait your turn." and maybe they'll get the hint that they need to wait to use the appliances. When I lived in an apartment bldg that only had 2 washers and 2 dryers for 12 apartments, it was hard to do, and you pretty much had to use timers to get your laundry out on time so no one would take your things out so they could use them.

As for the slamming doors, I'm not sure of what to suggest, since I don't have experience in my past apartment renting life with those kind of problems.

But Badger is correct in saying that since you're the landlord, they need to comply with your requests, just as they would if they had their own home that they were renting out to someone. If they cant abide by your rules, then they need to find another place that will let them stay with their stomping kids and slamming doors.

Good luck!
They're not the worst but they're not the good either, somewhere in between.

I've told them twice to stop slamming doors, taped a sign on the inside of the door in large and bold print "Pease do not slam this door, thank you!"

The kids are 12 and 16 years old.

If you want to know something about them....my wife and I was having a chat with my younger brother outside on the deck, it was a nice evening and all of us was having drinks, then all of a sudden we heard this "I'm gonna f__k you up!!!" in a young child's voice followed by kicking and banging noises....it was coming from the windows upstairs that was open (it was warm out) all of our eyeballs opened up and we all shook our heads because we can't believe there's a young girl saying that...

Sure the parents argue in middle eastern language once in a while in the bedroom...

That's a good idea about the sign on the washer. Usually I'd put my laundry bag next to the washer or the dryer to keep it 'occupied'.

However they only complied with one thing (and there's a sign on the dryer), cleaned the lint screen in the dryer after each use.

I did look into a system where one university have washers and dryers that you'd enter a code or swipe a card to use it and it would email you or ring your phone in a pattern when it was done and ready to be taken out. However it's not cost effective for just 2 machines.

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10-07-2010 04:38 AM  7 years agoPost 32
777ER

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After all the info you've provided, this to me speaks louder than all the rest. Your animal is telling you all you need to know about whether or not such a family deserves to continue living under your (and his) roof. Dogs are usually wiser about such things than people give 'em credit for.

Evict -- then with probably less effort than it will no doubt take to continue dealing with these inconsiderate, unappreciative pricks, you could find tenants who are worthy of what you're offering.
Dogs always amaze me in what they can do, heck even my 11 yr old dog knows by sensing and knows a good time to go for a walk, run in the backyard, my UPS truck driver loves my dog, pets him and gives him a treat, he'd carry it to the living room and eat it.

Even tells me when someone rings the doorbell and no one else is home, he finds me and gets me to follow him even when I'm in the backyard.

There's something that italians and UAE nationally don't go well in living suitations.

The ball is already rolling...eviction is planned!

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10-07-2010 04:50 AM  7 years agoPost 33
777ER

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whats the issue here? no need to be confrontational.

put up a sign or 2 and/or write them a letter clearly stating what the problems are and what you want.

they will comply or they wont.

if they dont, then if you want, evict them.

there's really no need for all this drama or anxiety. you hold the cards in this situation.
The last 2 times I put up signs on the door, laundry room, and talked to them, they told me they felt the signs were pointed at them and is a insult to them.
I told them the signs are there as a reminder and it's not aimed at you, it's for everyone in this house.

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10-07-2010 12:43 PM  7 years agoPost 34
fla heli boy

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how about a stack washer/dryer???
I'd just boot them anyway. You don't owe them an explanation. Their lease has expired. Or, give them a new lease to sign with an increase in rent. It's been 3 years. They accept it, or don't. If they don't, then ask them to move and that way you don't have to get the courts or a lawyer involved. In 30 days, your problem is solved.
16 and 12??? Those kids have been messing with your dog!!!

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10-08-2010 01:01 PM  7 years agoPost 35
neilg.

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chicken blood over the doorway; hang a Mezuzah or an 8X10 picture of you in a shall and a yumaka on the door jamb ?

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10-08-2010 02:03 PM  7 years agoPost 36
fla heli boy

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send them a nice holiday ham....

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10-08-2010 03:57 PM  7 years agoPost 37
neilg.

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if they bring you anything cooked, it might be your doggie

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10-08-2010 04:51 PM  7 years agoPost 38
classic

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As for the rent payment, first one was underpaid...then paid up the 2nd month....second one missed by a month...then paid up in 2 weeks after a phone call to them, 3rd one was late by 2 weeks.
Ahhhh, When you said Dr. and Nurse I figured they had money so paid their rent on time every time, in that above case, boot their butts!

Which is worse, ignorance or apathy? I don't know and I don't care!

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10-08-2010 05:16 PM  7 years agoPost 39
AirWolfRC

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I don't see the problem. They're out of contract so just send them an eviction notice. If they're not out in 30 days, bring the sheriff and forcibly remove them.

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10-08-2010 06:41 PM  7 years agoPost 40
777ER

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Currently in talks with realtor to rent the space out, he's coming by soon to take pictures and notes.

Yesterday morning I was at work and the wife was disturbed big time close to 8am, she heard the loudest door slam ever (shook the walls and windows by the bedroom and living room) followed by my dog jumping off the couch and barking n' howling.
She got out of bed right away to see who did it and saw the youngest daughter running out front of the house.

Carpet guy is coming monday morning to take measruements of the hallway steps and give me a quote.

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