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10-05-2010 04:44 AM  7 years agoPost 1
Rogman88

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I've seen several videos lately by guys who have been flying a while really cutting up with helis. The thing is that the bulk of the flight is done tail and nose in. I see alot of bringing the heli towards themselves upside down then do the pop up push away piro moves. Lot's of head in/tail down tic tocs with some side ways aileron (usually nose right) tic tocs. Some fast forward flight is done sideways and funnels and hurricanes are done so I know these guys can handle a heli fairly well.
But when you see the pros cutting up the moves are usually right to left and done sideways so that you can see the side of the heli. Instead of pushing the heli away from themselves the bulk of the time; the piro pushes, flips, tic tocs, rainbow, and rolls are done side to side.
Is it proper etiquette by the pros to show you the side of the heli instead of the heli mooning the spectators the whole time with it's rear end?

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10-05-2010 05:04 AM  7 years agoPost 2
misfits0311

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I think its a comfort level issue. A pro doesn't pay as much attention to orientation as a noob. Therefore, he can fly to entertain and not to feel comfortable.

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10-05-2010 06:21 AM  7 years agoPost 3
OICU812

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As said, that's all about comfort and the level of orientation and confidence really nothing more.

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10-05-2010 08:50 AM  7 years agoPost 4
MrMel

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Agree with previous speaker

I was like that, always coming back to tail in, best trick to overcome it? for me it was the MCX, practicing landing all over the living room at any orientation solved it fast.

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10-05-2010 10:51 AM  7 years agoPost 5
red_z06

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For us:

Airplane - Knife edge showing canopy side. Can do both side.
This is because there are more flashier graphics on top that bottom (usually white with some checkers with little graphic).
If you consider art imitating life, aerobatic pilots alway face spectators when doing a knife-edge pass.

Helis - Disc side to not show the bottom. Can do both side as tic-toc circle and rolling elev tic-toc is that example.
There is usually more to show than on bottom and typically nicer than looking at the skids.

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10-05-2010 05:00 PM  7 years agoPost 6
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10-05-2010 05:13 PM  7 years agoPost 7
red_z06

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You can say it's aesthetics or you can be realistic and know that the reason a pilot doesn't do an airplane knife edge pass belly up is because he is uncomfortable with that orientation.
We both routinely do knife-edge 2pt rolls. This is where you start knife edge and change over to belly and canopy side repeatedly.

But, never enter a normal knife-edge belly side. However, in a precision turn knife-edge circuit (return tracing the same path back), it is done in a belly side unless of course there is a 2pt roll in there somewhere.

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10-05-2010 05:52 PM  7 years agoPost 8
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10-05-2010 06:00 PM  7 years agoPost 9
Rogman88

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if you aren't comfortable with all orientations, you are going to have limitations to your flying that eventually even you will notice.
Agree 100%
Most pilots fly for the unknowing crowd of plankers or heli beginners. They fly a routine that is appreciated because the level of difficulty is not understood by the audience.
I've seen this personally
Why practice and look like I'm screwing up when instead I can do my same old signature moves like a pro? I'll tell you why...so that I can progress my skills.
This is why I look like I'm screwing up my entire flights!
Flying to please a crowd works for a little while, but if you ever want to fly as well as the best of them, or compete, you're going to have to do more than please an unknowing crowd.
As my skills progress the youtube vids of guys "cutting up", doing 3D and looking like they are flying really well are starting to not be quite so impressive. One RR guy has a heli "celebrity" friend who flies the bulk of his flights in one orientation and this is what prompted me to post this.

Overall, once again, very well put Aaron.

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10-05-2010 06:01 PM  7 years agoPost 10
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10-05-2010 06:04 PM  7 years agoPost 11
Rogman88

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Long enough for you too?
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10-05-2010 06:35 PM  7 years agoPost 12
rilopez825

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Aaron29, I agree with you 100%, and if you want to show off for a crowd that's fine but don't get stuck on your safety routine and forget to practice.

Also I see a lot of newbies packing up as they see your car pull up. They get intimidated when anyone beyond basics shows up.

I have a few at my field and once felt like that too in the beginning but I wouldn't go home. Just talk and ask questions, or observe the pros flying.

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10-05-2010 06:36 PM  7 years agoPost 13
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10-05-2010 06:37 PM  7 years agoPost 14
red_z06

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Also I see a lot of newbies packing up as they see your car pull up. They get intimidated when anyone beyond basics shows up.
Something is not quite right about that.

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10-05-2010 06:37 PM  7 years agoPost 15
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I have learned a lot over the years by just watching the more expierenced pilots fly.

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10-05-2010 07:03 PM  7 years agoPost 16
Rogman88

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Fortunately nobody is intimidated by me pulling up! I really am blessed to fly a a great group of humble guys. We don't mind teaching each other when we learn a new move and encouraging each other to get better.

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10-05-2010 07:35 PM  7 years agoPost 17
Justin Stuart (RIP)

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It all comes down to money for me. I don't want to do any maneuver which can result in an instant loss of $400 to $500. Tail in upright is the least risky, and therefore the least likely to cost a small fortune to recover from.

The pros get a new set of blades for free, so doing sideways aileron tic-tocs across the field does not represent a risk of a significant financial loss. I can only do 4-point tic-tocs successfully a finite number of times before I am instantly penalized with what equates to a Mercedes car payment. Even something as simple as a nose in landing can, in the event of a mistaken stick movement, cost a few hundred dollars. I don't want to be a pussy, but most of the time it's just not worth the risk. I would fly a lot harder if I had a bigger income or if I could convince more people to give me things for free.

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10-05-2010 07:37 PM  7 years agoPost 18
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10-05-2010 07:41 PM  7 years agoPost 19
Justin Stuart (RIP)

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I think it's all about mastery of the aircraft. 99 times out of 100 I can give the correct stick movement in a complex maneuver, but on the 100th time I push forward when I should have pulled backwards and dork the helicopter into the ground. I need to decrease the percentage of brain farts to 1 time in 1000, and the only way that's going to happen is with more practice.

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10-05-2010 07:50 PM  7 years agoPost 20
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