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HelicopterCrashed? Discussion and Photos › Raptor 50 V2.. waas perfect, now totaled
09-04-2003 04:35 AM  14 years agoPost 41
AcesAreWld

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awww man Dag.. just read the post.. sorry to hear it man Bad time for helis... all well, we'll all rebuild. Its all part of the hobby, but man I feel your pain!

Rebuild better than it was before it went in,
It'll be OK

--Geoff

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09-04-2003 01:29 PM  14 years agoPost 42
bluefronted

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In all off this , I must say I like your flying field , very scenic.

The lawn looks great

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09-04-2003 04:02 PM  14 years agoPost 43
AcesAreWld

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Hahah thanks (If you're talking about MY field)

I took some of these pics from a full scale plane a few weeks ago of the field, maybe you'll like 'em.

Its a nice field, I like it!
By the way, the field is the "JCRCC" -- Jersey Coast Radio Control Club. The website is http://www.jerseycoastrcclub.com

--Geoff

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09-04-2003 04:07 PM  14 years agoPost 44
Dazzler

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What do you guys have to do, parachute down in there to fly your heli's. I dont see any roads leading into the field or parking area?

But it is very nice!!!

Daz...

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09-04-2003 04:17 PM  14 years agoPost 45
AcesAreWld

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Dazzler,
If you're too scared to jump out of a plane with all your gear, then you don't belong at the JCRCC. Just kidding

There is a 1/4 mile long car path leaving the field going thru the woods to a huge locked gate. The park system actually owns our field. the gate goes to a road that is hard to see in those pictures, buit not very far away. There are lots of trees around there so they cover all paths, roads, etc. Some people walk from the street to the field, as I said its about 1/4 mile. The park system also protects the area around the field for recreational bike riders, hikers, horse-back riders, etc. I've been back there on my mountain bike, its definetly a nice little ride and some fairly scenic areas (even a small waterfall I think I remember).

Even tho its pretty easy to get to, the real men parachute out of light aircraft with their gear Saves the trouble of taxing your planes to get them up in the air .. heh

--Geoff

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09-04-2003 04:43 PM  14 years agoPost 46
Dazzler

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Funny Geoff

I can see where the road is coming in at now, very nice.

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09-04-2003 04:54 PM  14 years agoPost 47
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sigh.. time for class...
be back to RR in 3 hours... then 3 more hours of class startin at 6:30 pm.. yey.

--G^2

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09-04-2003 07:11 PM  14 years agoPost 48
scouse

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David

Nice 1 got them little suckers CA'd in well tight now
Sry to hear about the crash M8 hope it wasnt too bad

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09-04-2003 07:53 PM  14 years agoPost 49
daggit

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AcesAreWld ...

Nice pictures of your field!

Nature of the heli flying beast.... keep pushing your limits till you lay the SMACK DOWN on mother earth But Yes, The RAPPY will fly again... later...

gotta do some shadetree mechanic stuff to my vehicles before winter (I don't trust mechanics).

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09-04-2003 08:06 PM  14 years agoPost 50
AcesAreWld

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daggit,

Yup yup.. I always try to push my limits... it just sucks when ya crash doin NOTHING and lose control instead of crash cause I earned it and U pushed too far.. its strinking out looking instead of strinking out swinging... me, personally.. I just jumped in front of the ball in Little League and got my base that way :-P just kiddin

THAT Rappy won't fly again.. just a few parts of it will.. but a newer, better (if possible) Raptor 50 shall rise form its ashes, like a Phoenix

Good luck w/ the car, I gotta repair my old-man fake convertable roof (its coming up behind the rear door), get back my tire & rim back ( it sprung a leak seconds before my 80 mile trip to college..120 mile cause I took my sister to her school, too) and get an oil change. That's what this weekend is for!

--Geoff

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09-04-2003 08:48 PM  14 years agoPost 51
daggit

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THAT Rappy won't fly again.. just a few parts of it will
LOL... I stand corrected... same here.

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10-18-2003 11:48 PM  14 years agoPost 52
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UPDATED.. IMPORTANT

OK guys... time to update this post.. major events took place.

Fisrt of all, the New Raptor 50 lives (new kit, not new parts).. she is GREAT. I love her more than the old one.. I have a CSM SL560 Gyro and JR 8700G Tail servo and WOW.. amazing. Really shows me what I had been missing... I got better servos all around, and an upgrade on the collective. Everyhting is really awesome. Plus, I got Alan Szabo Jr. to sign my canopy, he is an awesome guy and pilot. So ok, the heli's great. Here are some pics.

and others..

Now.. for the important part...
Today I am flying it, I have the ball links in the rotorhead set in the 3D holes, and throws are HIGH on my heli. I am looping within its own distance keeping the heli in 1 spot in the sky.. doing the same with rolls, and I am still tweaking and overspeeding the rotorhead a little here and there... It gets to the point where the tail goes nuts cause the RPMS are just too fast for it.. so I fix that. I am doing one of my loop-in-own-distance things.. and I come out of it after a little odd feeling.. it comes out of the stunt in a hover pretty high up, and it starts pitching forward and backwards pretty violently.. I know something is wrong and I think my elevator servo is fried. I gently start to decent, and as its coming down I notice I have almost NO elevator control.. I don't know about aileron cause I didn't really need it or use it at the time. I am scared, but the heli behaves nice (flying the elevator stick at its full motion on the transmitter to keep the heli where I want it) and I get it down OK... I check it out... The pin came out! Just like you had showed happened to yours!! I was lucky because:
1.) only 1 side had come out
2.) It came out as I entered the hover, not in the stunt
3.) Heading lock kept my tail straight
4.) The Raptor was so stable I really didn't need much control input to land it gently

Here is a picture of it right after the landing.

The pin flew right out... I am going to take a pin from the destroyed Raptor 50 and CA it in like you guys had stated above, but I am thinking of upgrading to metal. I need to see how the metal version stays in place, and also check price. Hopefully it will fix this. I am going to send Thunder Tiger a letter, and need to see who I should write to. I almost destroyed my brand new Raptor 50 that replaced my Dead Brand New Raptor 50... I'm pretty scared of this happening again.. if I was in the stunt when this happened, I don't think I would have had the control needed to recover the heli.

--Geoff
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10-19-2003 04:58 PM  14 years agoPost 53
btmmcintyre

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This happened me as well except both pins went. It was like flying in soup. It's a really bad design. I got a set of Wash-out base linkages and
pins with c clips (PV0115) so it wouldn't happen again.

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10-20-2003 01:44 AM  14 years agoPost 54
Scooterpilot

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Crash

Hey,

Sorry to hear about the crash. After looking at your pics it's definately repairable. Hope you back up banging sticks real, real, soon


Regards,

Team Thunder Tiger, Team Futaba, Two G-4's, Two X50's YS60SR,Tx12Z/14FG,YSRep,RailBlades/S

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10-20-2003 08:14 AM  14 years agoPost 55
Gadgets

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I feel for You

The pain goes away as you order a new one.

I lost a flybar at 100ft up, broke everything including my weston.

It was cheaper to buy a new heli. Just dont order from helihut. They hav'nt sent my for 6 weeks now, and I cant get hold of them.

Good luck.





I see plank flyers!!!

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10-20-2003 07:04 PM  14 years agoPost 56
AcesAreWld

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Thanks Guys...

btmmcintyre,
did you land it in one piece after flying in soup, or was it a less than perfect landing? I saw how hard it was to fly with ONE gone, I can't imagine two. I am just lucky I had really high throws and it gave me SOME rotor head control.

Scooterpilot,
Hey, thanks for the condolences. The crashed Raptor is a parts machine now, the new one is already built and flying, that is what I am referring to with these latest posts. The old one went in from a radio hit (and for the non-believers the canopy went into the rotor parts.. I don't think that was it, tho) but the NEW one ALMOST went in due to the problem that everyone suspected the 1st time with those push pins. The sticks are all over once again (on-purpose) and I love the new one, its way better than the old one cause of the upgraded components.

Gadgets,
The pain is gone, I still miss the fact that it took me over a month to GET the new one and all the parts, but it was worth the wait. How do you lose a flybar!? Paddle come off and it flew out? or..? That insane, I can only imagine the mess that caused. My cuz and I had a mid-air where his landing skid JUUSSTTT touched my flybar.. He flew away, my heli EXPLODED (parts, not fire) in the air. What a mess... he landed with no damage.

Actually got a story to post.. will get the stuff ready and make a new post in a min...

--Geoff
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10-20-2003 07:28 PM  14 years agoPost 57
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Gods are against me

Ok,
I think the Gods are against me here... Sat. I fly and almost crash due to the pin in the rotorhead coming out, then Sunday morning I am flying at my local flying field at home and I lose the tail. Normally its no biggy, just send it into an auto and land.. But I have a Raptor 50.. DRIVEN TAIL! As soon as the tail let go, the heli swayed back and forth a little bit, and then centered itself... The tail control pushrod is what broke, so what I believe happened is the tail surfaces were feathering until they found the point of least resistance.. which was just about a straight tail.. maybe not, maybe I got lucky 2 days in a row. Either way, I had no tail, and instead of autoing it in (major torque change) I brought it down quickly but not in an auto and landed in front of me without the tail. The tail blades ate a little grass cause I put it down in a fast manor.

Here is a pic of the part that broke (and me holding it after almost crashing it). The setup I had was totally lame. I did not want to use a brass threaded pushrod end (that you solder on) because they have been breaking around our field, plus I never trusted the solder-on end. I had a threaded rod about 1.5 inches long with a ball link at one end going into the ThunderTiger tail pushrod coupler thing, back to the tail. The way I had it set up put a lot of stress on the pushrod at the point where it broke off. I now have a STAINLESS STEEL threaded end (From my friend who owns the machine shop, he made it) that I will solder onto a new pushrod at the correct length. Hope this posts helps some people fix problems (rotorhead, tail, radio hits, etc) before they result in crashes like I had the 1st time.


--Geoff
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10-21-2003 08:16 AM  14 years agoPost 58
Gadgets

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Broken head

Hello again,

I lost one paddle, then the next I know with the vibration, the flybar broke off at the head and flew away.

This was a new set of paddles with new everything, since the old flybar bent, I thought I would just replace everything.

When the heli hit the ground, some how a main blade reversed and cut a 2 inch hole into the canopy and hit my pitch servo and very expensive tail servo.

Everything in the head was bent, I just upgraded to the V2 tail, had a new Webra 35 competition, 9 flights!!

oh well!!





I see plank flyers!!!

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10-21-2003 08:32 AM  14 years agoPost 59
T.C.

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Bad gravity, bad,bad gravity,

I agree with raffy, buy a bare bones kit & salvage what parts you can
for spares.

Keep smiling dude, alway's looks worse when it's mangled, thro all the bad & broke bits away quick so you don't have to look at them


Tony

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10-21-2003 02:04 PM  14 years agoPost 60
btmmcintyre

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AcesAreWld,
I did get it down in one piece - just about though.

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