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12-13-2011 08:10 PM  5 years agoPost 9941
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no, I'm not saying any of that, but it looks to me that you are somehow lacking in the comprehension department.

never mind, eh, Christianity needs delude people like you to keep it afloat.
you are saying there is no god because he's not here to to tell you he is at you door step so believe me now,

ok then; so what do you believe?

you don't seem to fear anything but yourself, because you created every bit of you, and and not some higer force,

I was waiting on some honey but there aren't no Queen bee,

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12-13-2011 08:22 PM  5 years agoPost 9942
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I did NOT say that there is NO GOD.

I am stating that the Bible is fiction.

whether there is a God or not is of no concern to any of us because it/he/they don't show themselves.

and it's a long winded, delicate argument to go through the points that was already covered in this long thread (well, most of them anyway).

if God shows himself THERE WILL BE NO MORE ATHEISTS. Simple as that, can't get any more simpler.

and why are you speaking for something you know nothing about anyway? Do you talk about people who you don't know behind their backs? No, you don't. If you don't know someone, you don't know someone. For some strange reason you idiots here claim that the Bible is the word of "God" and for some reason it speaks for him? Why does "God" need a book to speak for him? he can say things himself. and why do you people need to say things to people like me to speak up for your "belief", you don't and cannot prove your "God" to me, then it means that you don't really know him and are in the same position as I am. this then makes you a hypocrite.

now stop talking and join that geese parade.

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12-13-2011 08:23 PM  5 years agoPost 9943
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Thanks flyinfriend!! Stated so eloquently and non-confrontational (not to mention intelligently).

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12-13-2011 09:35 PM  5 years agoPost 9944
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the creater never ask any man to believe in him, because no man have seen him, but rather believe in jesus because he walk the earth,
no one come to the father but trough the jesus, we pray to jesus
and he will pray to the father'
jesus is not the almighty god, not one christian can tell you about the almighty unless it was told by the son,

jesus is our deliverer whitout him' your heart will be trouble. you will be tormented.

for one to think that there's a evolution and that evolution is pure magic, and nothing els. look at the way how the universe's constructed

use your helicopter for example you buy the kit it sit there if you don't build it still going to sit there, someone have to build it and setup the electronic right

same with our world, the way how you eat-think-sleep-and s#$it isn't magic. if the earh was closer to the sun we would cook' and if it was farther away we will freez; everything is constructed too well' to be magic'

I was waiting on some honey but there aren't no Queen bee,

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12-13-2011 09:49 PM  5 years agoPost 9945
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""everything is constructed too well' to be magic'"

our friend "Snowflake" would rather believe that the Information popped out of a rock

click click snap

Jim
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12-13-2011 09:56 PM  5 years agoPost 9946
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wow Tom : From Some Where Over the Rainbow :​Thanx for Sharing

You should Also say special Thanx to SKS and Scoyle for helping to confirm and reinforce your belief.

Doe's their teaching - further - give you the needed knowledge to heal the Broken Heart. Fill the Deep Void in your Sister's Life, for the missing Unfathomable Love she has for her Parent's. ?? Sound Logic - ? ?
What Healing Heath can you provide for a broken Soul ? Based upon your reasoning ??

Examine your Logic : and see "IF" {Man's Self Taught Morality} can help her based on your knowing confirmation. Then let's discover {Man's} self taught Ethic's as it applies to Society Today.

LET's Review :
you can't use reason to talk someone out of a belief that they didn't come to by reason
Really ?? Explain to a event witness which is unexplainable.
Religious belief comes about from an emotional need
Maybe a knowing that something is missing - Why do instincts exist?
be it that we all live happily ever after in an after life
(no one really wants to believe this is the end of everything when we die ),
or get to see our long lost relatives in a happy afterlife
(I believe the Egyptians were one of the first cultures to come up with this concept), or that some all-powerful being is looking out for us in this life and if we do the 'right' thing he will take care of us.
Instinct or INvention ??
I would love for there to be a happy afterlife,
I would absolutely love to believe I will see them when I die.
Just because I want to believe it does not make it so.
But HOW DO YOU NOT KNOW ???
From seeing what synodontis has written I think it is highly unlikely that he is going to strap on a vest and harm anyone.
Again How do you NOt Know ??
If anyone thinks we aren't 'just' animals they are thinking that from a purely egotistical perspective.
You think, you write, have singular being sense / you have assention and cognitive thought - what other entity exists ??? that is like and kind ?? as Human ?
It's the 'we are special' perspective. The more we learn from science the more rational people realize we really aren't so special.
Example Please ??
We aren't at the center of the universe, hell we're not even at the center of our solar system Our morality has evolved (I know, Christians hate the word) it is not something handed down from on high.
Morality is a word that is LOVED and Cherished - but RARELY FOUND ! :
How do you confirm that Human's are not a Singularity. If we are not - alone what if "We ALL" do share the same GOD ??
Slavery was once condoned by Christians it no longer is (by most people), but that didn't occur because Christians got a new message from on high. It occurred because people's sense of morality evolved.
TRUE ! But if MORILITY EVOLVED it was taught. And it COST ! Dearly
Christians in the south were morally fine with slavery as it profited them greatly.
AH man and Money : See SIN
They even used the bible to justify slavery.
Show It
Morality is nothing more than a social construct that has evolved over a very long period of time.
Some still can not / nor will not ever read a BIBLE
Reading the bible and reading the bible critically are two completely different things. I would advise the second method.
TRUE ! { Key word } CRITICALLY and follow !
The commandment 'thou shalt not kill' was quickly overturned by Moses as soon as he descended from his one on one meeting with god. Upon seeing the golden calf he instructed one of his followers to gather one Jewish tribe and run through the other Jewish tribe with their swords, men, women, and children. On that day so the story goes roughly 3000 (may not have the count exactly correct) fell.
READ THE BIBLE CRITICALLY - Will not be the last time either.
This is nothing compared to the god commanded rape, bashing of babies against stone walls, and I'm just beginning with the atrocities committed in the name of god.
Why were Joseph and Mary traveling ??? when she was full term // Why was their a Census taking place - What was Herod doing to all the male children of a certain age ? Note : OLD TESTAMENT
The Jews received the 'thou shalt not kill' commandment and soon after went out to what was to become their 'promised land' and slaughtered those who already lived in their promised land.
Read further of the inhabitants - & their behavior - definite case of the evolving morality of man " Sodom / Gomorrah" Lot and his daughter's ?? ------

One thing to note about the Moses story is that there is absolutely no evidence that the Jews ever were enslaved in Egypt, not one iota.
For all the Christians who think they are saved, what makes them think they have even chose the right religion?

What if Islam is the right one and Christians rolled the dice and lost because they should have chosen Islam.
STUDY : Same Tree Different branches - One Produces
What if the Aztec gods are the real creator's, what if the Nordic gods are the real gods, what if...the list goes on and on.
Christian's do not sacrifice live human's as an offering - except Jesus and he sacrifices himself - for Love

Most Christian's do not come from a Christian Culture.
The Christ story itself is not even original. Many cultures had/have a story of a savior born of a virgin who was brought into the world to save it.
Imagine That !!!! do You Suppose ???
Another aspect of critical reading I mentioned above would be to read the gospels critically, the stories don't even align on important facts. You would think for a book that is completely factual, infallible, and is THE written word of an all-knowing, all-powerful, all-loving god (although he states he is a jealous god) it would at least have conforming stories between the witnesses, it doesn't.
Are we talking Matt, Mark, Luke, John ?? Same exact story - different Author's !!! Each has a individual perspective of the event's - Really : Read It Critically - Please - they speak of the same.
Most Neubies find it and are Shocked as it repeat;s - each has additional critical detail's the other did not !
It is much easier to just say the world was created in 7 days and we were all made of sand into which the creator breathed life than it is to actually try and understand the scientific facts behind creation and evolution.
Explain the BIG BANG OK ?? and then some just for confirmation.
I understand the emotional impetus and need behind religion. I just ask them to read, learn, and be as rational about their beliefs as they are in most other aspects of their life.
We are - and deeply too - explain rational from your view - ours is larger than huge on the peripheral.
It's very easy to compartmentalize our thoughts and beliefs. I know many very intelligent people, doctors, engineers who think very rationally in most everything they do in their everyday lives, but when it comes to religion, they don't even question it for a moment because of the emotional need it fulfills.
You need to see and witness the effect's - Ask a Doc !
I understand it, I have a sister who suffers from depression and she is just waiting to die, doesn't take care of her failing health (and she could, she has nothing terminal) because she thinks she will go on to see my mom and dad in an afterlife.
YOU DO NOT : Understand it ! Otherwise you could give her a answer ! which you cannot - Maybe she can teach ! LOVE and FAITH / and GRACE you should introduce her to one of her kind and not your's ! She will discover she IS NOT ALONE !!! IT will immediately STOP & HEAL !

I love my family, and friends and treat people respectfully, all this without having to be threatened by some all-powerful being who promises me eternal happiness if I just be good.

THINK ABOUT IT ! READ YOUR WORD"s ! WAS that self taught ?????

No Offense

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12-13-2011 10:44 PM  5 years agoPost 9947
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"" I understand it""

no, no you don't understand, (like the others) if you did understand you would not have written such words

""I have a sister who suffers from depression and she is just waiting to die, doesn't take care of her failing health (and she could, she has nothing terminal) because she thinks she will go on to see my mom and dad in an afterlife""

make your Sister go take-care of someone who is less fortunate than she is, "specially" a child that has been crippled from birth, her eyes will open soon, then maybe yours too will open

Jim
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12-14-2011 12:51 AM  5 years agoPost 9948
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Maybe just maybe, there is for you, yet ahead in time,
the place where and when GOD will indeed show Himself to you.

Maybe it just hasn't happened for you yet.

Agree?

Keep your eyes open.

There may be that special day.

But, maybe not. What if so many years have elapsed
in your oh so short life, and age has creeped up on you
and you reach, say 85! Still not ONE VIEW of God.
Is your mind THEN fully made up?

Maybe, Maybe Not.

What if GOD was showing HIMSELF to you all this time,
yet it was YOU who failed to SEE Him There?

Maybe you missed Him.

Would He allow THAT?

I say no, He would NOT allow that!!

Why?

Because HE has a Special Ledger. Called THE BOOK OF LIFE.

Anyone who simply believes in JESUS is automatically
written by GOD into the BOOK OF LIFE.

But at the end, your name is still not there!

Why?

Because GOD already KNEW that you would NEVER believe.

He KNEW you had already made up your mind.

You refused His Special Letter to you.

You refused to take HIM at His WORD and the Power
of the Resurrection.

You refused Him Who IS LOVE.

And for flyin, did the pigmy in the jungle find LOVE?

If so, he found God. God is Love.

We who believe God and see Jesus as our saviour
get a little special extra blessing in having
our names written in the BOOK OF LIFE.

Though the Jungle man did not find this, he still found Love.

And LOVE is that which God desires for us to possess.

Which you, unfortunately continue to miss.....

...By posting more pictures of mere animals.

Oh yes, God created them too.

But you, You are Very Special To the Heart of God.

When you BELIEVE THAT, you will begin to see God.

I love gravity, it always keeps my feet planted when I fly!

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12-14-2011 12:54 AM  5 years agoPost 9949
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yes, definitely:

{A VERY BAD CASE OF GRASSHOPPER'S}

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12-14-2011 12:58 AM  5 years agoPost 9950
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God is STILL LOVE, ever and always will BE.

I love gravity, it always keeps my feet planted when I fly!

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12-14-2011 12:59 AM  5 years agoPost 9951
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Anyone else see the dichotomy directly above here? ^^^^^

I love gravity, it always keeps my feet planted when I fly!

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12-14-2011 01:02 AM  5 years agoPost 9952
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God is STILL LOVE, ever and always will BE.
did we say you can eat cat food?

no, we did not.

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12-14-2011 01:06 AM  5 years agoPost 9953
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What Syno! You don't believe God is LOVE?

I love gravity, it always keeps my feet planted when I fly!

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12-14-2011 01:08 AM  5 years agoPost 9954
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Synodontis is the largest genus of catfishes (order Siluriformes) of the family Mochokidae. Synodontis are also known as squeakers, due to their ability to make stridulatory sounds through their pectoral fin spines when handled or disturbed.[1] These catfish are small- to medium-sized fish.[2]
Synodontis petricola.jpg

, with many species exhibiting attractive spotted markings. Some species are also known for naturally swimming belly-up, earning the name upside-down catfish.
wikipedia^^^

IF THE SHOE FITS!!!!!

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12-14-2011 01:16 AM  5 years agoPost 9955
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Synodontis is the largest genus of catfishes
Note also that catfish are bottom feeders.

Fish poop settles to the bottom.

Yikes !!

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12-14-2011 01:45 AM  5 years agoPost 9956
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Mercy / Lordy : That's the Ole Money Shot

SKS = AKA = SYNODONTIS

Synodontis is the largest genius of catfishes

Siluriformes of the family Mochokidae from Pond of Ferhoodelville

Known as squeakers, when handled or disturbed.

Are ( small - known)

Naturally swimming belly-up, earning the name upside-down

IT ALL MAKES PERFECT SENSE !

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12-14-2011 02:33 AM  5 years agoPost 9957
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Hi Guys,

Between the time I wrote this and posted I just saw two other posts attacking synodontis. None of the posts attacking him seems to be what I would consider Christian like. Why does the discussion always have to turn into personal attacks. I'm sure the personal attacks have come from both sides in this thread, I haven't read the entire thread, but I just don't get it.

'You don't believe what I believe so you're an idiot', I just don't understand that mentality.

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You are free to believe what you want. I don't disrespect people for their religious beliefs. I have Christian friends and Jewish friends.

GreyEagle, I thought the point of any forum was to share ideas. I'm not sure why the frowny face and sarcasm in regard to 'sharing'. Based on this thread it seems you have been doing plenty of sharing. I would hope ideas can be discussed without being disrespectful to others. SKS and scoyle have done nothing to confirm my belief in anything, I'm not sure what that means.

I don't believe in anything supernatural, there is no evidence for anything supernatural and things thought once to be supernatural have now been explained by science. As much as I'd like to I can't respond to all of your questions/comments. You ask in a couple of cases 'how can I not know', once was in regard to scoyle strapping on a vest and harming people. I think what you meant was how can I know he won't? Well I can't 'know' he won't but he hasn't shown me any evidence that he might, no more than you have, or anyone else in my everyday life. The other was in regard to an after life. I have no belief in an afterlife as there is absolutely no evidence for one, the fact that I really want to be reunited with my mother and father doesn't mean I will. One thing in regard to the whole Christian afterlife affair has been the Christian pronouncement that if you don't believe you will surely go to hell. There is no greater incentive to get someone to join your club then the threat of eternal suffering.

Your comment that all religions are from the same tree shows a misunderstanding of other religions. Christianity stems from Judaism and Islam also stems from Judaism. However if you were a Muslim who wanted to convert to Christianity you would be considered an infidel and quickly eligible for a justified (in their mind) death. All other world religions have nothing in common with either Judaism or Christianity.

Gearhead,
In response to your comment about my sister, I can't 'make' her
do anything. She has to make her own choices. She is a believer (Catholic), but that belief seems to be doing nothing for her but hastening her downward spiral.

Just a note on logic, no person can prove a negative. An atheist can't prove that there isn't a god anymore than a Christian can't prove that there isn't an invisible flying unicorn in my backyard. However just as there is no evidence for my invisible unicorn, I've yet to see any evidence whatsoever for an all loving, all caring, all knowing god professed by Christians. The bible is surely not reasonable evidence for it. The bible isn't even a single book. It is a collection of manuscripts, mostly non-related that were cobbled together, edited, re-edited time and again, with sections thrown out that didn't comply with the given agenda of the Roman empire.

Any anecdotes of people being 'saved' means nothing to anybody. If people are living troubled lives through the use of alcohol, drugs, etc. and they decide to turn their lives around because they found god then all the more power to them. Essentially they turned their lives around because they stopped living in a self destructive manner. If god was the reason they were able to turn their life around then why did he/she/it allow them to go down that path anyway...I know, it was a life lesson. Just as it was a life lesson for a little 4 year old girl I know who recently lost her mother to cancer, lesson learned I guess.

Last point, the big bang...just because we don't know the how of it doesn't mean you need to leave your rationality and curiosity at the door. I know it's easier just to say 'god did it' but that gets you nowhere and is the biggest intellectual copout I can imagine. Not too many years ago evolution wasn't understood and to this day many people who think they understand it don't. I know many Christians don't accept it because it threatens their world view, and I get it. But it is a theory (not a hypothesis) supported by so many facts from so many different branches of science that no rational person can refute the evidence though many irrational people have tried.

This is the last post I'll make here. I've tried to be civil but I can tell just from the couple of responses to my post so far that it would be hard to continue for long, as the 'idea' discussion just begins to turn into ad-hominem attacks. It doesn't have to, but it usually does as it has in this thread. I'm sure this thread will continue for another 400+ pages so I'll just get my bucket of popcorn and enjoy the show. .

I think we can all agree on one thing and that is that helicopters are to be used for the purpose of good and not for evil.

Best regards to all

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12-14-2011 02:48 AM  5 years agoPost 9958
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vERY wELL wRITTEN - i'LL REMOVE THE FROWNEY​fACE : promise

Solid Logical Neutral view this time : Well done !

This time you didn't head off into weed's with a diatribe of misinformation.

But the Why Not's are Larger than the Why's so are you assuming their is a risk ??

I'll edit the Frown

Did your marry in a Church ? or common Law ????

greyeagle

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12-14-2011 02:49 AM  5 years agoPost 9959
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this thread, I haven't read the entire thread, but I just don't get it.
you will get it' if you really want, the headline is there
then go page by page,

the unbeliever start getting piss when they heard the truth' " and'
start calling name,

I think you need to start over,

I was waiting on some honey but there aren't no Queen bee,

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12-14-2011 03:03 AM  5 years agoPost 9960
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You don't believe what I believe so you're an idiot', I just don't understand that mentality.
you are an idiot if someone tell you right thing and you still aren't
getting it.

it like your teacher tell 1+1 = 2 you tell her it not so' "simple" because
it was written in a book by man, plain stupid

I was waiting on some honey but there aren't no Queen bee,

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