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12-02-2011 11:25 AM  5 years agoPost 9701
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Thomas L Erb, what a ________

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12-02-2011 02:34 PM  5 years agoPost 9702
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Just a great cluttered vacation in a life filled with disposal diaper's

You insist their is no presence ? Enjoying the Ride ?? Savior It

Great !! This one is not yours and just maybe you are not abandon.

Better look for the Re- Set button

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12-02-2011 03:08 PM  5 years agoPost 9703
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who said evolution explains the beginning and the end? Who?

what are you talking about? You can't be bothered to understand what Darwin's theory was about and you make this assumption?

what's this creation business anyway? Darwin never cared for that. That wasn't a problem he solved.
You did when you insinuated that when darwin observed changes in birds based off habitat changes it somehow PROOVES GOD did not create Adam and Eve.
you have no position because you're too sh$t scared to take a stance properly. which is why I think you're a coward, hence the tiny squirrel costume.

you've been hoarding too many nuts, and they're rotten.
I have a position and have been very clear on it. I believe in the title of this thread and have stated that many times. If you have been too busy name calling to realize that, then that is your issue, not mine.
Salvation you say? You are saying that I need to be saved (or rather saying that the Bible says that I need to be saved right?). What gives you the ethical right to say that? (or the Bible for that matter?). You (or rather your Bible) do not have that right unless God shows Himself. Until then the Bible (or you) is just talking crap.
You keep drawing back to an "ethical rights" arguement. where does ANYONE have any ethical right to ANYTHING in your eyes? What defines YOUR ethical basis? What happens when someone else's ethical basis conflics with your ethical basis?
Since I believe that God Created Man I believe that God is my creator and therefore my ethical basis.
fails constantly? Read this again:

you've all LOST before you EVEN BEGAN.

(you or your Bible, I don't care)

what part of that do you not get?
The first part
Seriously though. The Bible says that Christ has already Won so we will just have to disagree here.
and you have the cheek to think science's job is to discredit God or disprove Him? You really think that? Science doesn't care about "God" unless He's a falsifiable entity. If God is unfalsifiable science doesn't care - and never did.
Not science's job at all, that's left up to the people that want to ridicule those who choose to believe in a creator. Seems to me the true scientists would rather spend their time figuring out how to make a computer run faster or curing cancer rather than argueing over whether God created man or not.

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12-02-2011 03:18 PM  5 years agoPost 9704
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no, BDIS does not get it.

{DEFINITELY A BAD CASE OF GRASSHOPPER'S}

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12-02-2011 03:26 PM  5 years agoPost 9705
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no, BDIS does not get it.

{DEFINITELY A BAD CASE OF GRASSHOPPER'S}
Again, I guess the conversation is over

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12-02-2011 04:20 PM  5 years agoPost 9706
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here's are a few hints for the grasshopper minded:
You did when you insinuated that when darwin observed changes in birds based off habitat changes it somehow PROOVES GOD did not create Adam and Eve.
whether a God created man, or not, is not the issue here. Darwin showed the Adam and Eve hypothesis is FALSE. Whether there is a God that started all this off, or it was an accident etc. . . is of no concern. The Bible is therefore talking crap, that's all.

you people can NEVER accept that Adam and Eve is FALSE. Now you can again argue about interpretation and say to me : "well, you know, all that matters is that some God started it off and Adam and Eve came into being, so yeah, Adam and Eve did happen". That's not what it said in the Bible when I was looking at bits of it, my understanding was that Adam and Eve were the first humans and we are all related to them.
You keep drawing back to an "ethical rights" arguement. where does ANYONE have any ethical right to ANYTHING in your eyes? What defines YOUR ethical basis? What happens when someone else's ethical basis conflics with your ethical basis?
Since I believe that God Created Man I believe that God is my creator and therefore my ethical basis.
there was a time when someone like you DID NOT HEAR ABOUT THE BIBLE OR CHRIST etc. . . there was a time before then that you were ignorant. If you were born in Australia into a group of natives 20,000 years ago you would not have a chance in hell of knowing about any of the crap in the Bible. What then is your position regarding the ethical right of Christians to impose their nonsense like this? What do you say to those born mentally impaired that they can't comprehend as regards "You must love Jesus or you'll go to Hell". None of the Bible's crap makes any ethical sense when you look at what it claims.

I have ethical rights - don't you dare say I don't. If you are going to lock me up for murder you better prove I'm guilty of that crime. There are plenty of ethical claims in the Bible that makes no sense, especially when you look at it from what the other religions are claiming also: that they're the only right ones and you're wrong.

the only way for any of this to resolve itself is for God to show Himself. He has never done so, so that matter is settled.

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12-02-2011 04:22 PM  5 years agoPost 9707
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No Wholesome Fear of GOD for Accountability

SKS's effort's are not taking him any closer to his goals - the stress of having expectation's and goal's too far apart: GOD is always moving

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12-02-2011 04:26 PM  5 years agoPost 9708
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the whole point of all this is that the Bible is a delusional construct written by idiots and you idiots decide to believe in it.

as a work of literature it's quite interesting from a cultural perspective, in line with the Iliad and the Odyssey of Homer, Shakespeare's works, the Indian classics etc, etc. . .

but ultimately the Bible is FALSE, and the God it paints is nothing more than a sum of people's hopes and fears and tells us more about the paranoia and delusions of its followers than any validity of its God.

God may or may not exist, our religious texts (Bible, Koran, Hindu texts, Jewish texts) are great works of fiction and should be treated as such.

I'm not sorry if that offends you.

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12-02-2011 04:27 PM  5 years agoPost 9709
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No Wholesome Fear of GOD for Accountability
and you'd know all about that, don't you Grey?

what about those bees you've ruined? millions and millions of them?

accountable, indeed.

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12-02-2011 04:39 PM  5 years agoPost 9710
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Darwin showed the Adam and Eve hypothesis is FALSE
Again, by observing changes in birds due to habitat changes, how did he DISPROOVE Adam and EVE?
I have ethical rights - don't you dare say I don't
I never said you didn't. I asked you were you got them from. Where is your ethical basis?
What then is your position regarding the ethical right of Christians to impose their nonsense like this?
Again, Christians are not "imposing" anything on anyone, God as our creator makes the rules. What gives a father the right to set rules for his children?
the only way for any of this to resolve itself is for God to show Himself. He has never done so, so that matter is settled.
The bible says that Christ HAS shown himself and that he WILL show himself AGAIN.

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12-02-2011 04:47 PM  5 years agoPost 9711
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Again, by observing changes in birds due to habitat changes, how did he DISPROOVE Adam and EVE?
the human species descended from a race of apes, we are related to the chimps, gorillas etc, , , by a common ancestor. Bible said that the human species started off just like that, with Adam and Eve at the beginning. Total rubbish.
Again, Christians are not "imposing" anything on anyone, God as our creator makes the rules. What gives a father the right to set rules for his children?
yes you are imposing. If the God you believe in exists then I'm involved too - whether I like it or not. And it makes Him my father too.

strange that I never see Him: He must be some sort of absent father who goes away when you're born and leaves you to fend for yourself.

silly person you are BDIS.
The bible says that Christ HAS shown himself and that he WILL show himself AGAIN.
that's speculative at best. The Muslims claims that God showed Himself to Mohammad, the aborigines talk of the rainbow snake, the Hindus speak all of their Gods. . . .

all talk - no show. pretty lame if you ask me.

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12-02-2011 04:59 PM  5 years agoPost 9712
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the human species descended from a race of apes, we are related to the chimps, gorillas etc, , , by a common ancestor. Bible said that the human species started off just like that. Total rubbish.
Related to (i.e. have DNA in common with), and "MAY" be descendant of at BEST.
yes you are imposing. If the God you believe in exists then I'm involved too - whether I like it or not. And it makes Him my father too.

strange that I never see Him: He must be some sort of absent father who goes away when you're born and leaves you to fend for yourself.

silly person you are BDIS.:rolleyes
You don't see him because you don't look for him and again I am not the one imposing. I am not making the rules.
that's speculative at best. The Muslims claims that God showed Himself to Mohammad, the aborigines talk of the rainbow snake, the Hindus speak all of their Gods. . . .

all talk - no show. pretty lame if you ask me.
Yet they all speak of a CREATOR. The only speculative part (secularly speculative that is) is the resurrection.

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12-02-2011 05:07 PM  5 years agoPost 9713
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Related to (i.e. have DNA in common with), and "MAY" be descendant of at BEST.
it's not "MAY". It's resolved. DNA and fossil evidence nailed it. The anatomists and physiologists came in too and their findings concur.
You don't see him because you don't look for him and again I am not the one imposing. I am not making the rules.
don't talk rubbish. I'll post what Mr Carrier says on the subject because he says it a lot better than I can.
Yet they all speak of a CREATOR. The only speculative part (secularly speculative that is) is the resurrection.
I don't care if there is a creator. I just know it's not the one in the Bible, or the Koran, or the Hindu texts, or the rainbow snake, or Zeus, or Thor, or etc . . etc. . so stop being so such a silly squirrel that you are.

have you've been eating too many nuts again?

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12-02-2011 06:14 PM  5 years agoPost 9714
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it's not "MAY". It's resolved. DNA and fossil evidence nailed it. The anatomists and physiologists came in too and their findings concur.
Related-to and decendant-of Apes, Monkeys, etc, etc.. Are 2 separate terms. It is commonly accepted that we are descendant of primates. We do share DNA with apes and monkeys but it differs. We share a common ancestor
don't talk rubbish. I'll post what Mr Carrier says on the subject because he says it a lot better than I can.
Again, what are you basing YOUR ethics on? Mr. Carrier?
I don't care if there is a creator. I just know it's not the one in the Bible, or the Koran, or the Hindu texts, or the rainbow snake, or Zeus, or Thor, or etc . . etc. . so stop being so such a silly squirrel that you are.

have you've been eating too many nuts again?
Ahhh, I think we found it right here. There might be a creator but BDIs, even though I just BLASTED you earlier for being a coward and not taking a stance, you are a MORON for believing in one.

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12-02-2011 06:22 PM  5 years agoPost 9715
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Related-to and decendant-of Apes, Monkeys, etc, etc.. Are 2 separate terms. It is commonly accepted that we are descendant of primates. We do share DNA with apes and monkeys but it differs. We share a common ancestor
where then does this leave Adam and Eve? Or have you "reinterpreted" that story?
Again, what are you basing YOUR ethics on? Mr. Carrier?
ethics is about morality. you don't need a creator/god/supernatural entity as a basis for it.
Ahhh, I think we found it right here. There might be a creator but BDIs, even though I just BLASTED you earlier for being a coward and not taking a stance, you are a MORON for believing in one.
I never said I was an atheist. I called you an idiot/moron/animal costume wearer because you accept the Bible. Simple as that.

The Bible is a piece of sh$t: empty promises, outright lies, circular deceptive constructs, and total lunacy in regards to morality.

it's also a piece of work written by people who were probably so paranoid that they made crap up and people started accepting it. clicker training at its best.

now get back to playing your piano.

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12-02-2011 06:29 PM  5 years agoPost 9716
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what then does this leave Adam and Eve? Or have you "reinterpreted" that story?
Exactly what they are, The first man and Women that God created.
ethics is about morality. you don't need a creator/god/supernatural entity as a basis for it.
Where do your ethics came from? What is your ethical basis? What happens when someone Else's ethical basis does not match YOUR ethical basis?
I never said I was an atheist. I called you an idiot/moron/animal costume wearer because you accept the Bible. Simple as that.
Ok, so you believe that SOMETHING created the Universe and everything in it?
The Bible is a piece of sh$t: empty promises, outright lies, circular deceptive constructs, and total lunacy in regards to morality.
Care to elaborate?

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12-02-2011 06:29 PM  5 years agoPost 9717
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now get back to playing your piano.
Actually I play Bass

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12-02-2011 07:00 PM  5 years agoPost 9718
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6 and 12 string yamaha, sold my 72 SG gibson bass.

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Since I believe that God Created Man I believe that God is my creator and therefore my ethical basis.
There is no evidence of this at all. we know all people did not come from hebrews.

hebrews as a culture only go back to 1200 BCE, Israel was nomadic/ semi -nomadic around 1208BCE as noted on the Merneptah stele.

The legends written are not possible including the creation myth.

They are based NOT on what little hebrews knew, but what they brought with them from the previous cultures they belong to as they all migrated to Israel.

You notice the bible doesnt say that many came from Canaanites but we know they did, we also know many migrated from Syria, Mesopotamian areas as well as some from Egypt and nomadic tribes in the levant.

The exodus as stated never existed either did Moses.

Creation is a myth and when you quit living myths and join reality your life will improve. You can keep your theology many scientist and biologist are religious, they just know how to accept the bible fort what it is and what it ISNT

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12-02-2011 07:16 PM  5 years agoPost 9719
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Exactly what they are, The first man and Women that God created.
then this is totally untenable with the evidence that we have. humans as a species evolved from another species, so the concept of first man and first woman is meaningless.

also it appears in the Bible that the sons of Adam and Eve were Cain and Able and they were depicted farming the land, rearing animals/livestock etc. . . this was only a recent event, humans have been around even before then as hunter gatherers etc. . before they were even farmers/livestock breeders etc. . . so that makes no sense the way the Bible depicts it.
Ok, so you believe that SOMETHING created the Universe and everything in it?
whether that something created or did not, where is the logical, inescapable conclusion that YOUR BIBLE IS CORRECT? Why not the Koran? Why not the Hindu texts, or the other religious texts? Why not them and why yours?

And why should we, as a human species, be privy to know anything about whatever a creator does, His/Her/Their plans for us, etc ? ? Why?

As a species we can only go with what is falsifiable, what evidence we can produce - all else is speculation. All the excuses in the Bible does not cut it - they're a cop out. The Bible is a man made text that some of you are duped by, you don't have the guts to admit that because the alternative is too frightening for you.

Maybe the creator does not care, maybe he just disappeared after he did his business, maybe he hates us. who knows, why put faith into something that's been shown to be rubbish at best?

Darwin was never an atheist.

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12-03-2011 05:50 AM  5 years agoPost 9720
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humans as a species evolved from another species
With the knowledge we currently have irrefutable defense of this is also "untenable".
we know all people did not come from hebrews
I'm trying to find a scripture reference that specifically states the nationality of Adam and Eve but I can't find it. Can you?
also it appears in the Bible that the sons of Adam and Eve were Cain and Able and they were depicted farming the land, rearing animals/livestock etc. . . this was only a recent event, humans have been around even before then as hunter gatherers etc. . before they were even farmers/livestock breeders etc. . . so that makes no sense the way the Bible depicts it.
Genesis 4: 1 And the man knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man with the help of Jehovah.2 And again she bare his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground.3 And in process of time it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto Jehovah.

I could see where it might be hard to find geological evidence of the first human to have tilled the ground?
And why should we, as a human species, be privy to know anything about whatever a creator does, His/Her/Their plans for us, etc ? ? Why?
I wouldn't think we would need to know anything that creator didn't deem necessary to tell us, would you?
As a species we can only go with what is falsifiable, what evidence we can produce - all else is speculation. All the excuses in the Bible does not cut it - they're a cop out. The Bible is a man made text that some of you are duped by, you don't have the guts to admit that because the alternative is too frightening for you.
What would the "frightening" part of the alternative be?
why put faith into something that's been shown to be rubbish at best?
I don't. I put my faith in God. I'll repeat what I've said to Outhouse several times. Go looking for religion and you'll find it, and you will be sorely disappointed.

Again I am asking you where you get YOUR Ethical Basis from? What Happens when that Ethical Basis differs from someone Else's?

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