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08-01-2011 09:20 PM  6 years agoPost 7401
Dusty1000

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If it didn't then you would not have responded with O Reilly demonization.

Thats what you did. You got your panties in a wad over it.
Ah, now I see where you're coming from. Because you get you panties in a wad every time you demonise someone, you think that the same happens to everyone else. I'll let everyone else speak for themselves, but it sure doesn't happen to me. Your panties must be in a constant wad, going by the amount of time you spend demonising people on this forum.

a·the·ist
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noun
a person who denies or disbelieves the existence of a supreme being or beings.
Since you deny your chair is an atheist, then how can a new born deny or disbelieve anything, let alone a God? Please explain.
We've been through this before, but I'll explain it to you again. It's quite simple really, it's just a matter of knowing what the words you are using, mean. The word that you seem to misunderstand, or rather, one of the words you seem to misunderstand, is 'disbelieve'. Here is the definition from your choice of dictionary:

dis·be·lieve   
[dis-bi-leev] Show IPA
verb, -lieved, -liev·ing.
–verb (used with object)
1.
to have no belief in; refuse or reject belief in

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/disbelieve

Can you understand that a baby has no belief in a God or Gods?
Do you deny the above definition?
No.
Since you have an insistence on using the unreliable Wikipedia as a source, lets try that one:
Atheism is, in a broad sense, the rejection of belief in the existence of deities.[1] In a narrower sense, atheism is specifically the position that there are no deities.[2] Most inclusively, atheism is simply the absence of belief that any deities exist.[3] Atheism is contrasted with theism,[4][5] which in its most general form is the belief that at least one deity exists.[5][6]

Can you understand why the belief that any deities exist, would be 'absent', from a baby? Just to be sure you understand what 'absent' means:

ab·sent   
[adj., prep. ab-suhnt; v. ab-sent, ab-suhnt] Show IPA
–adjective
1.
not in a certain place at a given time; away, missing ( opposed to present): absent from class.
2.
lacking; nonexistent: Revenge is absent from his mind.
3.
not attentive; preoccupied; absent-minded: an absent look on his face.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/absent

Can you see how babies would 'lack' the belief that a God exists, that such a belief would be 'missing'? I hope I don't have to look up these words for you.

You are really making this hard on yourself. Why not just simply look up the foremost authority on English?

atheist
a person who does not believe in the existence of God or gods

http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/atheist
How can a new born reject anything, let alone a God.

If they can, how so?
They disbelieve in a God, or in other words, they do not believe in a God. Who said anything about babies rejecting a God, except you? You really do come up with the most ridiculous ideas.
Maybe some atheist web sites have answers dusty.
You looked up the definitions all by yourself. It was just that you didn't understand what you posted. Now that I've explained it to you, do you disagree with any of these dictionary definitions?

Dusty

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08-01-2011 09:45 PM  6 years agoPost 7402
Dennis (RIP)

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Ah, now I see where you're coming from. Because you get you panties in a wad every time you demonise someone, you think that the same happens to everyone else
No, just you.
I'll let everyone else speak for themselves
Well golly gee whiz. Thanks very much.
Your panties must be in a constant wad, going by the amount of time you spend criticising people on this forum.
Who me?

Why would I do such a thing?
We've been through this before, but I'll explain it to you again.
OMG
The word that you seem to misunderstand, or rather, one of the words you seem to misunderstand, is 'disbelieve'. Here is the definition from your choice of dictionary:
I don't think so. "Disbelieve" is just the word you focus on to make your point. There are a few other words in the definition of atheist to complete that definition. You just focus on that word to make your argument. Very poorly I might add since a new born has not ability to disbelieve anything, how is that possible?
Can you understand that a baby has no belief in a God or Gods?
Of course. I already said that several times to make my point that a new born can neither have an atheist belief. Jeez.
Can you see how babies would 'lack' the belief that a God exists, that such a belief would be 'missing'? I hope I don't have to look up these words for you.
As you always do in this argument, you ignore the other parts of the definition of an atheist. Most notably in almost every definition of an atheist, there is the word "rejection" Thus, a rejection in a God.

You can't spin that. You can try. But, I won't let it slip by my thoroughly advanced "no spin zone".
Why not just simply look up the foremost authority on English?
You are trying to be that here. It ain't working to well dusty. You are in the "no spin zone"
Who said anything about babies rejecting a God, except you?
No, the definitions I posted here say that. Jeez.
You looked up the definitions all by yourself. It was just that you didn't understand what you posted. Now that I've explained it to you, do you disagree with any of these dictionary definitions?
Thats the point dusty. I don't disagree with them. But, I do disagree on your spin of them.

At the very least, if anyone makes a claim that a new born baby is an atheist, there is going to be a high level of doubt about that and a lot of questions about how that could be possible. For the most part, only an atheist would make such a silly claim. Perhaps they are just in a vain search of more friends.
You are really making this hard on yourself.
Not at all. But, I am having fun at making it hard on you.

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08-01-2011 10:31 PM  6 years agoPost 7403
Dusty1000

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No, just you.
A search of your posts for ''panties wad'' brings up two pages of results. It's obviously something that you think about often. You will find that my posts don't indicate the same - not that I've even checked.

https://rc.runryder.com/helicopter/...sortby=lastpost

As usual, your accusation is groundless, and it would seem that yet again, you are reflecting on yourself.
I don't think so. "Disbelieve" is just the word you focus on to make your point. There are a few other words in the definition of atheist to complete that definition.
a·the·ist
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noun
a person who denies or disbelieves the existence of a supreme being or beings.
As you always do in this argument, you ignore the other parts of the definition of an atheist.
Surely you understand what ''or'' means?

Where, in the definition by foremost authority in English, is the word ''reject''?

atheist
a person who does not believe in the existence of God or gods

http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/atheist
Who said anything about babies rejecting a God, except you?
No, the definitions I posted here say that. Jeez.
None of the definitions mention babies. Like I said, only you mentioned babies rejecting a God. As if a dictionary would say such a daft thing.
Not at all. But, I am having fun at making it hard on you.
The only thing I'm having a hard time with, is keeping a straight face.

Dusty

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08-01-2011 11:10 PM  6 years agoPost 7404
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A search of your posts for ''panties wad'' brings up two pages of results.
Real nice.

Now, our atheist friends are making a habit of searching for panties. Possibly you have to much time on your hands.

In any case, you just gave atheism a whole new meaning.

None of the definitions mention babies.
Exactly my point.

Why do you?
None of the definitions mention babies. Like I said, only you mentioned babies rejecting a God. As if a dictionary would say such a daft thing.
Of course they wouldn't. Neither would they be so stupid as to say new born babies are atheists. If they do, maybe I missed it. Point it out please.
The only thing I'm having a hard time with, is keeping a straight face.
So will I as you continue to search for panties and a dictionary definition showing new born babies are atheists.

Maybe you can find it on an atheist web site.

Even if you could, it would not work so well.

So, go ahead and keep bumbling and stumbling along with it.

Still very entertaining.

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08-01-2011 11:53 PM  6 years agoPost 7405
Dusty1000

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Oh it takes mere seconds to use the search function. It's useful to prove a point. Certainly it takes nowhere near the amount of time that you spend talking about, and presumably thinking about, panties in wads.
Of course they wouldn't. Neither would they be so stupid as to say new born babies are atheists. If they do, maybe I missed it. Point it out please.
Try reading them, yet again. Your still having the same problem, which is understanding the words:

a·the·ist
   [ey-thee-ist] Show IPA
noun
a person who denies or disbelieves the existence of a supreme being or beings.

atheist
a person who does not believe in the existence of God or gods

http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/atheist

person
1 a human being regarded as an individual

http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/person

Do you understand that a baby is a human being? Of course the dictionary didn't say 'baby' when it said 'person'. If it had meant only adults, or only people over a certain age, then it would have said so.

Surely you can see the sense in dictionaries using the word 'person', or are you going to be outrageously and blatantly intellectually dishonest again, and try to spin this definition as well?

Dusty

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08-02-2011 12:35 AM  6 years agoPost 7406
Dennis (RIP)

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Surely you can see the sense in dictionaries using the word 'person', or are you going to be outrageously and blatantly intellectually dishonest again, and try to spin this definition as well?
Not at all.

But, I will show you how I can easily unspin your spin.

You see, you forgot all the rest of the words in those definitions that place the word "reject" God into the meaning of atheist. At first, in this part of this discussion, you focused on the word "inability". Now, you set that word in the definition aside after I made you look like an idiot with that word and now you focus on "person" and leave all the rest of those definitions out of your silly argument. Including "inability".

Now, I have to make you look like an idiot again since you chose another word to try and spin on to make your silly argument that new born babies are atheists. I will give you a tiny bit of credit for locating an on line dictionary that could be spun to support your argument. But then, of course, those links leave out other words of those definitions that other on line dictionaries don't. But, is it valid. I don't think so because its, once again, an act of spin.

New born babies cannot be atheists because they have no sense of awareness of either God or atheism.

Once again, I must refer back to an earlier post I made on this subject. Maybe after a couple hundred times repeating it, you might catch on. But, I have serious doubts. Especially when you have panties on your mind:

"I concluded long ago that we are living in an increasingly devastating and horribly intellectually dishonest world of so called educated people.

In this forum we hear from atheists (and so called full grown adults) who claim all new born babies are born default atheists.

That silly nonsense claim, of course updates me back to my original conclusion"

Unspin completed.

Oh well, someone has to do the dirty work here.

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08-02-2011 12:51 AM  6 years agoPost 7407
GREYEAGLE

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Since when did a Dictonary

Become a reference for the LORD's word ????

Look it UP !!! It's full of reference's, & explanation's and the result's their of.

Just like the word Gospel :

greyeagle

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08-02-2011 01:07 AM  6 years agoPost 7408
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You see, you forgot all the rest of the words in those definitions that place the word "reject" God into the meaning of atheist.
You really should try to remember what we've already covered.

..............

a·the·ist
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noun
a person who denies or disbelieves the existence of a supreme being or beings.
As you always do in this argument, you ignore the other parts of the definition of an atheist.
Surely you understand what ''or'' means?

Where, in the definition by foremost authority in English, is the word ''reject''?

atheist
a person who does not believe in the existence of God or gods

http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/atheist

.........................

If you don't understand the word 'OR', in the definition that YOU posted, then you should say so. Or are you trying to spin this definition that you yourself posted? Here it is again, just in case you have forgotten, again.

a person who denies or disbelieves the existence of a supreme being or beings.

Don't you understand that means 'denies OR disbelieves', exactly as it says? Are you going to try to spin this into 'denies AND disbelieves', or are you going to try to be outrageously and blatantly intellectually dishonest enough and try to pretend that ''AND' means the same as 'OR', when it really means exactly the opposite?

Really, what part of 'OR' do you not understand?

Dusty

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08-02-2011 01:14 AM  6 years agoPost 7409
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Since when did a Dictonary
Become a reference for the LORD's word ????
Since when was 'atheist' your 'Lord's word' ???

Dusty

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08-02-2011 01:19 AM  6 years agoPost 7410
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FAst Huh ???

Think I got Dusty Figured out

Name derived from the DUST cloud seen as he departs the subject matter away from the meaning and source.

SHOULD REALLY GO TO THE SOURCE --

Pretty easy to identify the type - as they always wear their armor on their back -- and for some reason lousy or inappropriate foot wear.

greyeagle

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08-02-2011 01:42 AM  6 years agoPost 7411
Dennis (RIP)

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You really should try to remember what we've already covered.
..............

a·the·ist
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a person who denies or disbelieves the existence of a supreme being or beings.
Explain, in your spin, how its possible a new born baby can either deny or disbelieve in a supreme being or being.

To do either would imply that the new born baby has some awareness of either denying or disbelieving.

Tell you what dusty. You are such a fan of Wikipedia. Lets settle this once and for all. You are aware of Wikipedia's policy of letting anyone post or add to their definitions or explanations there. You also mentioned at one time that bogus information on their web site gets purged from their regularly.

Go to Wikipedia and add to the definition of atheist that explains in some form that new born babies are atheists to further explain what an atheist is.

Lets see how long that stays there if your claims are valid.

Be sure and forward the link to your alteration on Wikipedia of what an atheist is.

Then, we can see how long your "spin" stays on Wikipedia.

Come on dusty, you can do it.

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08-02-2011 02:18 AM  6 years agoPost 7412
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I was born an atheist, learned to be a Christian at a young age, turned agnostic when the lightbulb went on and realized the lies. and now see myself as a possibilian - Thanks to Tripergreenfeet!

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08-02-2011 02:21 AM  6 years agoPost 7413
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It takes an atheist to deny the existence of God.

It takes an atheist to describe a new born baby as an atheist.

Simple.

No spin.

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08-02-2011 03:23 AM  6 years agoPost 7414
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"and now see myself as a possibilian -" What Kind of Promise is THAT ?

Another one whom is under the assumption he has a ticket !!!

How do you know you don't have a counterfeit ??

You cannot subtract from the Gospel !
You cannot remove what you do not like:
You cannot ADD more stuff to the Gospel ! It was ENOUGH !
You cannot tamper !

THE TRUE CHRISTIAN LIFE IS IMPOSSIBLE !

You will never Full Fill IT !!

Christianity is a relationship of Good New's & Freedom
It is not a task, or a mission, " It was achieved" on: HIS OWN WILL. " It is a voluntary Path.

Seeing the Face of GOD is NOT on Most Wish List's

GODs GOSPEL or NO GOSPEL:

greyeagle

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08-02-2011 03:30 AM  6 years agoPost 7415
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Fair enough. What would you label any person that doesn't have any knowledge of a deity? Totally oblivious to the idea. Clean slate. I've always determined them to be atheist, but could be convinced that I'm wrong.

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08-02-2011 03:34 AM  6 years agoPost 7416
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What would you label any person that doesn't have any knowledge of a deity?
I would say they have no knowledge of a deity.

Does that mean they are an atheist?

I challenge you to find any "officially recognized" definition or description of a new born baby as an atheist in exact terms, with no spin on the words.

"Officially Recognized" should be a long recognized source preferably not of either atheism or theism.

Go for it.

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08-02-2011 03:36 AM  6 years agoPost 7417
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edit after the edit.. OK

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08-02-2011 04:05 AM  6 years agoPost 7418
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Like YOUR Style :!!!!

The most rewarding of question's that can be asked !

What would you label any person that doesn't have any knowledge of a deity?

At this stage - your question is something that must be self discovered. But just for the fact you asked - mean's you know their is something - it was {a given} in advance it is Free - just a small spark that you have - you were created in his image

Totally oblivious to the idea. You are NOT OBLIVIOUS check your conscience

Clean slate :
OMG that's funny: NO SUCH THING !! Born, Died, Buried, Rose on our behalf vicariously and voluntary : FOR US !

Start HERE : Be Thankful and Grateful !

Then see if your Heart can grasp the word's expressed:

Know as : The Sermon on the Mount: The Beatitudes

Matthew Chapter 5 1 thru 48

You will HAVe a Good Day !

greyeagle

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08-02-2011 04:25 AM  6 years agoPost 7419
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At this stage - your question is something that must be self discovered.
But Grey. Belief in any of the major religions is not from total and complete self discovery. It begins with some missionary such as yourself to start the process. Depending on where you live the results would be radically different. Free will you say but really not. A person is pinned in by their environment. There are exceptions. A young person in Saudi Arabia will likely follow the path of his missionary/mentor. Odds of turning out Christian? Very low.

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08-02-2011 04:45 AM  6 years agoPost 7420
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Think In These Term's :

LORD GOD FATHER SPIRIT :

Your very question was also asked in the Late 1800's and continued in the early 1900's !!!

So ..... many missionary's from the European Churches " I think some didn't make it Back " !! { Might of gotten Eaten ) were sent to some of the remote place's on the earth { Africa - Remote South American & Asian Cultures . The Mission - seek if their was some form of cultural knowledge or deity in reference to the very question. Then to report back of their finding's.

They all came back with very similar conclusion's : ALL had similar reference to the Father, or Great Father, Spirit Father, Supreme Being, or GOD, or THE ONE whom created the Heaven's and Universe and all life that was about. Cultures developed ! None had command of our English language nor had they heard any message or tutor age.

Even our own American Indian culture has deep root's in the Spirit Father.

greyeagle

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