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04-30-2011 08:53 PM  6 years agoPost 5621
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Then, I asked the little one about her belief in God. She looked at me, smiled, wiggled her arms around a bit and said:

Quote "GoobleGoEbeGoobledeGoo" Unquote.
DEET DE DEET DEET DEET

Try asking the baby if she is a baby. If she can't tell you that she is, then by your logic, she isn't.

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04-30-2011 08:57 PM  6 years agoPost 5622
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Had better pull out all stops. This organization has recognized a rapid decline in Christianity amongst teens and are scrambling to shore things up.

http://www.crossexamined.org/problem.asp
70-75% of Christian youth leave the church after high school (see survey data at Barna and USA Today).

Intellectual skepticism is one of the major reasons they walk away.

College professors are five times more likely to identify themselves as atheists than the general public.
That's an interesting article, showing yet more unsurprising links between education and a belief in a God.

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04-30-2011 09:03 PM  6 years agoPost 5623
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Try asking the baby if she is a baby. If she can't tell you that she is, then by your logic, she isn't.
But dusty.

You never deciphered/translated the first response I got from the same 2 month old new born, when asked if she is an atheist.

So, whats the point?

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04-30-2011 09:13 PM  6 years agoPost 5624
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That's an interesting article, showing yet more unsurprising links between education and a belief in a God.
But dusty.

Since God has been kicked out of our schools, don't you think that means a "Lack Of Education?"

If your response is "Yes", then we all can look forward to you yourself advocating returning God to our schools.

If your answer is "No", then your comment is invalid.

I suspect I already know what your answer is going to be.

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05-01-2011 12:37 AM  6 years agoPost 5625
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You never deciphered/translated the first response I got from the same 2 month old new born, when asked if she is an atheist.
Try asking some of your babbling fellow Christians if they know what she was saying. If you think she believes in your God, perhaps she was talking in tongues.
Since God has been kicked out of our schools, don't you think that means a "Lack Of Education?"
DEET, your logic fails you yet again. Schools are no place for teaching the supernatural, although religion should be included in history.

About how throughout history man has always believed in one God or another, in an attempt to explain what we didn't know about the world around us, the vast majority of those Gods no-one believes in any more because we all realise that it would be silly to think that they exist. They should also teach about how one religion evolves into another, and how the current religions came to be. How Judaism was the first of the monotheistic religions, made up from older polytheistic religions, and that Christianity was the first religion for the masses that was made up out of Judaism.

They should teach that Christianity took off when Emperor Constantine realised that he could use it to control his empire, because people would be all to ready to believe in it, because it not only provided answers to what no-one at that time knew about the world around us, similarly to the religions of that time, but unlike those religions, it promised all of it's adherents an afterlife. So he made Christianity the official religion of the Roman Empire and banned all of the other religions of that time.

Even to this day, some people, generally the older and less educated, mainly who's ancestors originate from the countries that used to fall under the Roman Empire, still believe in the same God. Even though for the past few hundred years we have known that the Bible isn't literally true, as the vast majority of the questions that it was originally written to answer, have been answered by science. What people used to believe, on the strength of what is written in the Bible, such as the earth being the centre of the universe, etc etc, have long since been proved wrong. Despite all this, some people do still cling on to the vain belief that their God exists, just in case the afterlife that they believe in, does really depend on whether they can convince themselves that certain parts of the Bible are true.

Like religion itself, these beliefs are geographically based, with Christians throughout Europe believing that God somehow made the universe so that it could make itself, whereas in America, even in this day and age, many Christians have clung onto the belief that their God created mankind out of thin air.

The majority of younger people these days tend to be better educated and more intellectually curious, and recognise that it would be just as silly to think that any afterlife would depend on believing in the Christian God, more than any other God, and that it would be just as silly to believe that the Christian God exists more than any other God exists. And there endeth the lesson.

Those facts shouldn't take long to teach, and might cut down on the 25% that leave school still believing in the Christian God.

Dusty

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05-01-2011 01:24 AM  6 years agoPost 5626
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Those facts shouldn't take long to teach, and might cut down on the 25% that leave school still believing in the Christian God.
I have no idea of whats going on in your country dusty. But here, we keep throwing billions upon billions of dollars at our schools, have taken God out of those same schools, and our education system gets worse and worse. That is something that there is not much debate about.

So, your comment about God diminishing because education is better does not apply here in the USA and is totally invalid. It appears to me and a lot of other people here that our young people are flat loosing out because of political greed and a very stupid, and irresponsible dumbing down of the voting population. Through a lack of education. Not because its getting better. Sad, but, it is what it is.
DEET, your logic fails you yet again.
Your logic does not apply here in the USA dusty per this subject.

As far as God or God's in general, every single culture known to man has had, or has some form of God or God's to worship with very limited exceptions. I believe you absolutely cannot remove God from a culture. Faith in God may diminish over time. History has shown, it always comes back. Our country was started primarily because a search was on for freedom of religion. Looking at today's world, that still holds true. If not for freedom of religion sake, then people still flock here simply for freedoms sake. They get a few other freedoms thrown in as a bonus that most have never seen before in their entire lives. Those freedoms are slowly diminishing. But, thats a whole new thread.

Talk to any new born babies today?

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05-01-2011 01:59 AM  6 years agoPost 5627
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Happy Mayday.
For you miserable and unjoyeous cynical bastards, Happy Mayday.
May you reap the bounty of your most treasured needs (one way or the other).

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05-01-2011 02:48 AM  6 years agoPost 5628
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Your logic does not apply here in the USA dusty per this subject.
DEET DE DEET DEET DEET Cheer up

The article just posted IS about America.

Try looking at what I quoted again
Intellectual skepticism is one of the major reasons they walk away.

College professors are five times more likely to identify themselves as atheists than the general public.
Does that not say something about education to you? Don't you think that college professors would tend to be better educated than the public?

Around 150 years ago, one in five Americans were illiterate. Today that figure is less than 1 in 100. Does that tell you that education is getting better or worse? Societies don't just give up believing in their God overnight, you have to look at it in the longer term.
I believe you absolutely cannot remove God from a culture. Faith in God may diminish over time. History has shown, it always comes back.
Nonsense. The only countries you will find where belief in a God has 'come back' are those in which religion was banned and then legalised again. I'll bet you can't even find one country where belief in a God has 'come back' otherwise. You're all smoke and mirrors.

Dusty

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05-01-2011 03:47 AM  6 years agoPost 5629
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DEET DE DEET DEET DEET Cheer up

The article just posted IS about America.

Try looking at what I quoted again
You know dusty. I used to think you were a pretty smart guy. But, I am increasingly wondering if you are totally full of crap, or a nutjob, or trying to pull our leg, or just reading an article, any article and copy/pasting it here just to support a silly argument. Especially since your claim that all new born babies are atheists, and now this one.

For example:
Around 150 years ago, one in five Americans were illiterate. Today that figure is less than 1 in 100. Does that tell you that education is getting better or worse?
Look at the time frame dusty. Most any developed country in the world is going to show an increase in literacy over a period of 150 years. Please give me a break.

I can show you countless links that will show diminishing education levels in the USA without comparing literacy from 150 years ago.

Here are just a few:

http://www.economist.com/blogs/free.../04/education_0

http://www.ideasinactiontv.com/tcs_...ng-returns.html

http://aaas.confex.com/aaas/2011/we.../Paper4001.html

http://dailyreckoning.com/a-college...ishing-returns/

http://www.nae.edu/File.aspx?id=42653

Now, here is a very interesting link to peek at showing educational diminishing returns because of lefty academia:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy...1012705928.html

Did you know dusty that the high school drop out rate in Washington DC for blacks is just over 60%?. Hispanics slightly lower, and for whites there is something like a 35% high school drop out rate. Sadly, that is the case. Many areas around the country are experiencing this although Washington DC is the worst of them all. Now, I do understand not all that is academia's fault. Parenting has a lot to do with that. Mostly, understanding the education system here in the USA and all it encompasses, you would understand a high percentage of that issue is directly related to a diminishing capability of our education system to do the right thing for our kids while at the same time, costs are increasing on a steady and determined rate. All in all, its not cool.

I am thanking God every day that in my area here, our very conservative school distract is giving my grandkids a pretty darned good education. There are some bright lights in the darkness.
Does that not say something about education to you?
Not the way you tried to pass it off on us. Not at all.
Don't you think that college professors would tend to be better educated than the public?
Taking a peek at our universities today as loony lefty academia that it truly is, I have serious doubts about that. But, I will give you that one anyway. But, only on the terms that a college degree has significant value for most anyone. Surely more significant value than just a high school diploma.

Most likely, that will not satisfy you. But, its all I got right now. Heading to the movies for a few hours.

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05-01-2011 06:29 AM  6 years agoPost 5630
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The True and Living God.

HE is leading us away from evil.
He is redeeming us, who believe, from the power of death.
His Love for us is so great we cannot fully fathom it.
He has made a way.
He has led us (all) from evil, sickness and even death, by the
power of His Resurrection.
We are His Adopted Children.
As a supreme Father, He will give those hearts and souls
who will but believe In Him, a brand new life.
A life created in Truth.
A life that can never die.
He Conquered the evil power of death.
The more we allow Him to teach us the truth we become
closer to His Light and His Love.
He proved He was God when He came here and died for us.
And sealed it with the most unimaginable miracle, written
down for us over a time span of 1500 years through 40 authors,
that He Himself would become our sacrificial Lamb, and died;
then dead for three days, came back to life from death. Proving it
when Over 500 at one time saw Him in His Resurrected Glory upon
this earth.
This is The Truth.
It is so simple a mere child, but not a baby quit yet, could
be taught this truth and believe it.
But alas! We don't want to know The Truth.
The Truth of God's Fatherly Love. We mistakenly think He is
desireous of our harm. He is not. He Loves us.

Beginning this path to His Truth, His Love, His Power
and authority, when He enables us to become an adopted son
and daughter, starts the very moment we accept it.
If we are not too bull-headed and in our free moral agency
continue through all of this life to deny and reject His Loving
Gift of Everlasting Life, escape from sin and death, He cannot
move heaven and earth to reach us. He already has.
But think about this: He already has Perfect Wisdom and IS
all seeing and knowing. Would He just allow those hearts
whom He KNOWS will never believe and receive His Love and Grace
just go on living without Him?
Alas dear Hearts! He Must. Justice is perfect with Him.
That's why He died FOR us. We have a free will. And He will
not impose upon this precious Gift. Even this for HIS Glory.

For HE is Blessed when we Turn To Him and love Him back
with freedom of will.

When we but begin this personal relationship with Him.

Some will ascend to the hill of the Lord.

Some will hear, comprehend, and open the heart.

We who have taken His Hand, are in His Care.

We rest in His Love.

If you don't know HIM today, you can.

Just yell MAY DAY!!! And simply surrender.

God is Love.

Even a Baby knows Love...

Happy May Day! Spring is here!

:-)

I love gravity, it always keeps my feet planted when I fly!

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05-01-2011 06:30 AM  6 years agoPost 5631
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blah blah blah ba blah blah

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05-01-2011 06:42 AM  6 years agoPost 5632
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2 Corinthians 4:3-7

3 And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing. 4 The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel that displays the glory of Christ, who is the image of God. 5 For what we preach is not ourselves, but Jesus Christ as Lord, and ourselves as your servants for Jesus’ sake. 6 For God, who said, “Let light shine out of darkness,” made his light shine in our hearts to give us the light of the knowledge of God’s glory displayed in the face of Christ.
7 But we have this treasure in jars of clay to show that this all-surpassing power is from God and not from us.

I love gravity, it always keeps my feet planted when I fly!

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05-01-2011 11:23 AM  6 years agoPost 5633
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You know dusty. I used to think you were a pretty smart guy. But, I am increasingly wondering if you are totally full of crap, or a nutjob, or trying to pull our leg, or just reading an article, any article and copy/pasting it here just to support a silly argument. Especially since your claim that all new born babies are atheists, and now this one.
So you still think that babies believe in a God from the moment they're born

Look back a few posts, it wasn't me who posted the article. If you want to have a go at someone for posting it, you're barking up the wrong tree.

Watch at YouTube

Look at the time frame dusty. Most any developed country in the world is going to show an increase in literacy over a period of 150 years. Please give me a break.
Literacy rates are climbing all over the world, particularly in developed countries, just as belief in a God is declining all over the world, particularly in developed countries. The connection shouldn't be too hard to see. Ask yourself, 150 years ago in the US, do you think that 75% of students had decided that God didn't exist by the time they left school? Of course not. In the long term, belief in a God is falling, as education levels are rising, all over the world. Simples.
I can show you countless links that will show diminishing education levels in the USA without comparing literacy from 150 years ago.
Every one of those links is titled diminishing returns, not diminishing levels of education. There is a big difference. If education levels increase by 5%, but you spend 10% more, then the return diminishes, even though the education level has increased. If you're going to post links to try to support your point, try posting some links that DO actually support your point.

I take it you can't think of even one country where belief in a God has 'come back' without having previously been made illegal.

Dusty

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05-01-2011 04:12 PM  6 years agoPost 5634
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You are a strange guy dusty.

Look up "diminishing returns". It simply means, "getting less bang for the buck". In other words, education levels are decreasing while we are throwing more and more money at it.

If you took a look at our high school drop out rates and compared them to say the 60's and early 70's, you would see a rather high rate of "diminishing returns". When I was a kid back in the 60's and graduated from high school, it was almost unheard of when someone dropped out. It did happen. But, it was rare in small town America. Now, its common place all over the USA. Even small town America.

I would say that means our education levels are decreasing. But, its obvious you cannot see the obvious. Or, you are just acting like a dip sh#t for the sake of trying to look good or something like that. So, its a waste of time to discuss that with you.

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05-01-2011 05:39 PM  6 years agoPost 5635
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the new generation is smarter then the old generation lol

out with the dumb and in with the smart.

the new generation is the computer generation

the old is the horse generation

The new has a higher literacy rate

the old still cannot comprehend

the old believe in a literal bible and creation brainwashed to the end

the new generation has a open mind and follows evolution

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05-01-2011 05:41 PM  6 years agoPost 5636
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I would say that means our education levels are decreasing.
And here is a pitiful example of the above by his own admission:
the old believe in a literal bible and creation brainwashed to the end

the new generation has a open mind and follows evolution

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05-01-2011 07:46 PM  6 years agoPost 5637
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Look up "diminishing returns". It simply means, "getting less bang for the buck".
Correct.
In other words, education levels are decreasing while we are throwing more and more money at it.
Wrong. That is not what 'diminishing return' means. As well as education levels decreasing while you throw more money at it, education levels could also be increasing while you throw more money at it. In both cases, you could be getting a diminishing return i.e less bang for the buck.

If you don't understand the example I used above, then consider spending 10x what you currently spend on education to see levels rise by 1%. Education levels would have risen, but you would still have experienced a diminishing return.

So if you want to support your point about education levels falling, then post links to data showing that high school drop outs are on the rise or something. Posting links to articles on diminishing returns, does not support your point about education levels falling, for the reasons I've just explained.

Comprende?

I'm not disputing what you say about high school education, but there could be reasons for it's decline other than 'God being kicked out of the classroom'.

Whatever education statistics you look at, compared to the rest of the developed world, the US isn't doing too badly.

What is noticeable is that in most education statistics, the countries that are doing the best, are the ones in which the least percentage of the population believe in a God.

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/e...ults-high-level

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-12811197

So how could these countries do so well in the education stakes, without 'God in the classroom'? The only reasonable conclusion would be, that the decline in high school education in the US is down to reasons other than 'God not being in the classroom.'

In any case, the article scoyle posted did cite 'intellectual curiosity' as being the main reason for the rise in the number of school leavers who don't believe in a God. There's much more to be intellectually curious about than what they teach in high school.

Perhaps students are spending too much time on the internet researching religion in threads like this instead of doing their homework.

Dusty

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05-01-2011 10:23 PM  6 years agoPost 5638
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Hey dusty.

Talk to outhouse about high school drop outs.

He has plenty of experience in that area and the effects it has on poor slobs like him.

Obviously, he is not alone.

Somehow, I have this gut feeling that they are not big on God. But, then again, I could be wrong.

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05-02-2011 06:54 AM  6 years agoPost 5639
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Hey Osama.

Give old Satan a big wet kiss.

No virgins for you.

Your chickens have come home to roost.

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05-02-2011 06:54 AM  6 years agoPost 5640
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LOL hey Dusty, hey outhouse, they are so funny I have come to only read Dennis's replies LOL

Jim
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