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10-06-2010 07:40 AM  7 years agoPost 421
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I forgot about all that blowing up abortion clinic stuff and gunning down the Drs brave enough to work in em.

Sometimes America seems like a crazy place, Ide like to go and punch the crap out of those peices of sh*t that stand outside waveing there banners, there is a good example of true evil.

I hope thats not the mindset of the majority of Christians because its downright disgusting what they do.

AS I stated before I dont think the church is as evil as maybe outhouse thinks they are in these modern times we live in, but I find the whole notion of trying to get there intelligent design horse **** into our schools is dangerous.

Another thing that creeps me out is this new way there trying to make churches "Cool" and apeal to the younger generation with "rock n roll bands" and advertisements with "cool young people all haveing a great happy old time" I object to church recruitment of any kind.

As athiest`s we dont go around attempting to recruit young people to our cause, perhaps we should, but that would kind of defeat the whole point of what where about, where not trying to convince anyone that we have any answers because we dont.

If a young person is searching for the big answers how can I compete with the church??

As an athiest I dont have the answers, its a pretty tough sell when the other side of the debate can promise them everlasting life in the eternal kingdom of heaven, I cant promise them a damn thing, I would just hope that theres an inherent level of obvious honesty that comes with admitting that you dont know the answers to the big questions.

That to me is the arrogance of religion, the inability to except that some things are beyond our human level of comprehension to understand.

Why can people not accept that what happens after death is unknown and therefore need to believe in religion?? I dont understand?, these mysteries such as how big is the universe, how did it begin, how did life begin, what is after death if anything at all are all questions we dont know the answer to, so why create answers that are obviously false simply to make ourself feel more comfortable?

I believe it all comes down to fear of death and its as simple as that, for the record as a non believer I dont spend every second of my wakeing day petrified at the thought that at some point in the future I am going to die, I think religious people may quite rightly think that without there faith the fear of death would be an overwhealming and constant negative influance on the entire life, but in reality its not the case, It actually makes me proud to be a member of a species, that even faced with the knowledge of its own ultimate demise can still not only function hapily but even laugh about it, I dont think our greatest virtue as humans is bravery or anything else, its actually humour, we could be on a sinking raft about to be eaten by sharks and instead of panic its more likely to be a sarcastic remark mad in bad taste that prevails, thats what I think is best about us.

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10-06-2010 07:50 AM  7 years agoPost 422
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^
I dont say that lightly, I think its our sarcasm and humour that prevails over everything else, wether in the trenches of war or under the worst possible adversity, humour in bad taste trumps ritiousness and even courage hats down IMO.

Forget religion, communism or the Nazis, political correctness is far more evil than any of those, that will be our downfall, political correctness.

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10-06-2010 08:34 AM  7 years agoPost 423
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Mithraism and Judaism merged and became Christianity. Jesus, son of the Hebrew sky God, and Mithras, son of Ormuzd are both the same myth. The rituals of Christianity coincide with the earlier rituals of Mithraism, including the Eucharist and the Communion in great detail. The language used by Mithraism was the language used by Christians. St Paul as the first "Christian" bears much of the responsibility for merging the two in his preaching and teaching, and also comes from Tarsus, a major Mithraist center.

The idea of a sacrificed saviour is Mithraist, so is the symbolism of bulls, rams, sheep, the blood of a transformed saviour washing away sins and granting eternal life, the 7 sacraments, the banishing of an evil host from heaven, apocalyptic end of time when God/Ormuzd sends the wicked to hell and establishes peace. Roman Emperors, Mithraist then Christian, mixed the rituals and laws of both religions into one. Emperor Constantine established 25th of Dec, the birthdate of Mithras, to be the birthdate of Jesus too. The principal day of worship of the Jews, The Sabbath, was replaced by the Mithraistic Sun Day as the Christian holy day. The Catholic Church, based in Rome and founded on top of the most venerated Mithraist temple, wiped out all competing son-of-god religions within the Roman Empire, giving us modern literalist Christianity.

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10-06-2010 03:31 PM  7 years agoPost 424
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You've kind of beat on the point that the religionists have behaved so badly/irrationally that, if there is a God, He couldn't possibly be like the people who are His supposed representatives. It's a valid point and we've discussed it in our church - the honest atheists - people who have seen such a miserable picture of God that they rightly reject what they know of Him. If He were like the God they see portrayed by His followers, they wouldn't (and shouldn't) care to spend eternity with Him, even if He were real. If I thought God was going to supernaturally keep me alive for eternity so He could continue to burn me, or that He wanted me to go and blow myself up along with a crowd of strangers, or to murder anyway I disagree with, I'd be correct in rejecting Him as a delusion or a tyrant. Jesus warned against any confusion on this matter. He says His true representatives will be known by their love and anyone else is an imposter. Unfortunately, the imposters seem to far outnumber the real thing. Doesn't sound like you've met many who have that love. If all I knew of religion were the things you've related here in your many posts, I'd be angry too.
I was supposed to do jury duty today, but instead got called at 3:18 am to fix a fellow who put his arm through a window in frustration. His hand was cold, numb,and swollen when I first saw him and likely would be starting to turn dark by now, if we hadn't fixed him. There's some real joy in being able to help people when they're hurt. The frustrations that lead one to get drunk on Tuesday night and then punch out the kitchen window are harder to deal with. I don't know what your frustrations are, but I prayed with him when we were done, and will pray for you today. Thanks. steve.

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10-06-2010 03:39 PM  7 years agoPost 425
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You make an interesting point about there being another choice. You've rightly interpreted my comments to understand that I believe the only choices are that life is here by design or it happened by chance processes. The thought that there might be a third choice has come up in some of our previous discussions on this forum, but I've not seen a satisfactory answer as to what the other choice(s?) might be. It seems logical to me that the only options are that life was designed or it was not. Do you have any ideas as to what an alternative might even look like? Thanks. steve.

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10-06-2010 06:20 PM  7 years agoPost 426
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Steve.

I know every aspect of christianity and understand how the christian god is represented after decades of church twice a week and being taught by nuns in a private church school. Its not that your god is bad or good, i dont have a beef with him because he doesnt exist. Its a matter of history. The church made your god into what you wanted to hear thousands of years ago and thats that. he is a fictional charactor stolen from religions in the past.

I never stated I dont believe in god, I have how ever stated I surely dont believe in the christian god as they have gotten so much wrong and copied there god from others. Even Mithras used the same set up from a religion prior to its own the way christians took it from them.

No religion has god down pat, I have stated that. God could very well be the collective power of good our human minds. yin and Yang isnt bad but I like that vauge as well. I dont know and dont care to dwell on it but I do know the christians in general are not bad but they have been in the past and still carry conflict, anger and hate with them where ever they go when a opposing view comes along.

I hope your patient's arm heals proper.

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10-06-2010 06:49 PM  7 years agoPost 427
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here they go again from todays headlines

German Catholics want Santa-free Christmas

BERLIN (Reuters Life!) - A group of German Catholics wants to do away with Santa Claus because of the fictional figure's commercial hype and replace him with St Nicolas and the selfless giving they say he represents.

Even before shops fill with Santa-themed goodies, the Bonifatiuswerk of German Catholics -- a Catholic aid organization -- has begun calling for "Santa Claus-free zones."

The organization sees Santa as "an invention of the advertising industry designed to boost sales" and as "a representative of consumer society" who has little to do with the historical figure of St Nicolas.

Its website describes Nicolas, the patron saint of children, as "a helper in need who reminds us to be kind, to think of our neighbors, and to give the gift of happiness."

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10-06-2010 06:57 PM  7 years agoPost 428
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but I prayed with him when we were done, and will pray for you today. Thanks. steve.
Please dont waist your busy time Steve.

The gesture is nice BUT I do belive that if, IF there is any kind of god and a person lives a good and honest life that said person will get into heaven if there is such a thing.

Unlike greedy christians who think there the only ones going to heaven. not good people all over the planet, not the jews not the muslims not the hindus not all the other religions despite some of them being very very good people.

chritians are only a third of the population, heaven IS NOT reserved only for you if there is such a place! what a joke

your a doctor? and you believe we all came from adam and eve. We are all the inbreed offspring from two people 6000 years ago?????? pulllease

Thats nails in the proverbial christians coffin. CHECK MATE!

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10-06-2010 10:26 PM  7 years agoPost 429
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more headlines from today!!!

Westboro Baptist Church, a group infamous for protesting at military funerals with signs praising the deaths of U.S. soldiers

I would love to put these christians, the pedifiles priest and the german "no santa" christians on a tour of afganastan near the pakistan border and they would be on point!.

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10-07-2010 01:20 AM  7 years agoPost 430
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Westboro Baptist Church
Those are not christians they are antiwar tree hugging libtards that go under the guise of a christian.

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10-07-2010 02:34 AM  7 years agoPost 431
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ya you have a point there lol they dont like catholics my mistake. this is from wikipedia

Westboro Baptist refers to priests as "vampires" and "Draculas" and talks of Catholic priests sucking semen out of male children's genitals like vampires suck blood from their victims. In addition, WBC calls Pope Benedict XVI such epithets as "The Godfather of Pedophiles" and "Pervert Pope". In April 2008 the WBC protested Pope Benedict XVI during a papal visit in New York City.

WBC member protesting Pope Benedict XVI outside the United Nations in New York City (2008).The WBC launched a website called Priests Rape Boys in which they criticize the Roman Catholic Church because of the Catholic sex abuse scandal, saying, "Every time any person gives any amount of money to the Catholic Church, that person is paying the salary of pedophile rapists.

The WBC describes the Roman Catholic Church as, "the largest, most well-funded and organized pedophile group in the history of man" [53] and goes on to say that, "There are over 1 billion Catholics in the world—that's one out of every six people alive today—and every single one of them will split Hell wide open when they die—period. And there is nothing they can do about it.

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10-07-2010 02:54 AM  7 years agoPost 432
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One thing is certain, everybody lives and everybody dies. No one has ever come back.
Same thing applies to your evolution nonsense.

If our furry and scaly friends were still evolving, none of them appeared to be gaining on us.

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10-07-2010 03:17 AM  7 years agoPost 433
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non sense? no common sense

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10-07-2010 05:38 AM  7 years agoPost 434
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Don't argue with me. - Byron L. Head, Omaha, Nebraska
Tall Thinkers worldwide agree, without hesitation, that stupid people SUCK.

Has the Omaha DA assigned you a new date to return to prison yet, Byron?

(Tall Thinkers interested in learning more about Byron L. Head should PM for details.)

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10-07-2010 02:58 PM  7 years agoPost 435
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Outhouse

Thanks for the kind reply. It's no waste of my time to pray for you all. I will say that it would be hard to understand what God might be like if you've spent decades of your life being taught by nuns. We have some very nice ones who come to our hospital, but they have a distorted view of a God wgo wants to burn you for all of eternity if you don't behave the way they tell you. I'm sure you must have gotten your fill of that when you were in school. My wife grew up in a Catholic country and the system is very extortionist in that everyone is threatened with an eternity of hell fire if they don't pay and don't obey. I don't believe it either. I mostly get the day off today and look forward to some flying this pm. Hope you have a good day, too. Thanks. steve.

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10-07-2010 03:02 PM  7 years agoPost 436
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GF

We've been waiting for you to show up. How are you? I was just wondering yesterday as I talked with my wife what had happened to you and whether you were OK. I know you must be dying to say something. At least you make me think and I honestly welcome your thoughts. Hope all is well. steve.

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10-07-2010 05:49 PM  7 years agoPost 437
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todays news

A Southern Baptist leader who is calling for Christians to avoid yoga and its spiritual attachments is getting plenty of pushback from enthusiasts who defend the ancient practice.

Southern Baptist Seminary President Albert Mohler says the stretching and meditative discipline derived from Eastern religions is not a Christian pathway to God.

Mohler said he objects to "the idea that the body is a vehicle for reaching consciousness with the divine."

"That's just not Christianity," Mohler told The Associated Press.

Mohler said feedback has come through e-mail and comments on blogs and other websites since he wrote an essay to address questions about yoga he has heard for years.

"I'm really surprised by the depth of the commitment to yoga found on the part of many who identify as Christians," Mohler said.

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10-07-2010 06:29 PM  7 years agoPost 438
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10-07-2010 08:35 PM  7 years agoPost 439
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the shear lack of knowledge regarding there own history astounds me.

Has any one of you so called christians even read the whole bible??

It always amazes me how many times this God orders the killing of innocent people even after the Ten Commandments said “Thou shall not kill”. For example, God kills 70,000 innocent people because David ordered a census of the people (1 Chronicles 21). God also orders the destruction of 60 cities so that the Israelites can live there. He orders the killing of all the men, women, and children of each city, and the looting of all of value (Deuteronomy 3). He orders another attack and the killing of “all the living creatures of the city: men and women, young, and old, as well as oxen sheep, and asses” (Joshua 6). In Judges 21, He orders the murder of all the people of Jabesh-gilead, except for the virgin girls who were taken to be forcibly raped and married. When they wanted more virgins, God told them to hide alongside the road and when they saw a girl they liked, kidnap her and forcibly rape her and make her your wife! Just about every other page in the Old Testament has God killing somebody! In 2 Kings 10:18-27, God orders the murder of all the worshipers of a different god in their very own church! In total God kills 371,186 people directly and orders another 1,862,265 people murdered.

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10-07-2010 08:39 PM  7 years agoPost 440
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The God of the Bible also allows slavery, including selling your own daughter as a sex slave (Exodus 21:1-11), child abuse (Judges 11:29-40 and Isaiah 13:16), and bashing babies against rocks (Hosea 13:16 & Psalms 137:9).

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