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02-21-2011 02:39 AM  6 years agoPost 3861
Dusty1000

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there was no worldwide flood
Can you please show me how you know all this?
We know there is nowhere the water could have come from, and we know there's nowhere it could have gone. We know that the biggest pre-iron age boats were not much more than 20 feet long. Try to build a big boat, never mind an 'ark' of the size Noah would have needed, out of wood, and it would fall apart under it's own weight from lack of structural strength. The only way they could have built one that was bigger, was if they had waited for the iron age, then they could have given it an iron frame.

The Biblical story was based on the story of the Epic of Astrahasis, which was in turn very loosely based on a real local flood which took place in that area, which is modern day Iraq. We know this flood took place because it was a historical event, and was recorded by the first civilisation that learned how to write. Why is it a historical event? Because Iraq is not somewhere that would see a flood on a regular basis.

This is how we know that there was no global flood, and no Noah's Ark. This makes sense, Noah's Ark and the worldwide flood does not. If one version of events makes sense, and another does not, it's usually the one that makes sense that is correct.

Do you think there's even the slightest chance, that the story in the Bible, could possibly be true?

Dusty

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02-21-2011 02:42 AM  6 years agoPost 3862
Dusty1000

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HE IS.

HE DID.

HE SHALL
Why did HE create parasites that eat children?

Dusty

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02-21-2011 02:44 AM  6 years agoPost 3863
Dusty1000

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they can never answer these questions
That's because the answers aren't in the Bible

Dusty

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02-21-2011 03:31 AM  6 years agoPost 3864
outhouse

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The Biblical story was based on the story of the Epic of Astrahasis, which was in turn very loosely based on a real local flood which took place in that area, which is modern day Iraq. We know this flood took place because it was a historical event, and was recorded by the first civilisation that learned how to write. Why is it a historical event? Because Iraq is not somewhere that would see a flood on a regular basis.
yes, exactly, this is the oldest of three sumerian flood storys of a actuall event when the Euphrates overflowed in 2900BC

now the real story is,,, a man did put his animals onto a barge because he could not get all his animals out of the flood plain in time, he floated out to sea but came in with the tide and landed on the shore. im sure there was a animal sacrifice [BBQ] and thanks was givin to the mythical pagan gods.

this is the real noahs ark story the hebrews who had nothing stole.

One thing about ancient hebrews, they were tribes, and most came from somewhere else speaking the semetic language. They all had tales from there original homelands and these fables were told around campfires for hundreds and hundreds of years before the language was good enough to write down, [about 1000 BC]

I would like to add the story of noah originates exactly where this flood took place.

the ignorance and lack of education among bible thumpers amazes me. god didnt give them the sense he gave a fence post

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02-21-2011 03:38 AM  6 years agoPost 3865
outhouse

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now noahs ark the way the bible wrote is a impossible event on many different viewpoints.

its really stupid to even debate such a idiotic idea, but dumb azzes out there still believe this horse crap so here goes [freakin morons]

the biggest is, they state the water was 20' over the highest mountain. that would put the water level so high the surface of the water would have been frozen solid over the whole planet and with no o2 all creatures would have died.

not that much water in our atmosphere

no place to drain it

STUPID ancient hebrews were not trying to write history. they were writing a fable in a mythological fashion about a event they knew nothing about that was passed down through oral transmission.

you have to remember hebrews back then were not advanced they were idiots on the block compared to sumerians and egyptions [thats why they stole the religion and compiled what little they knew]

stupid christians jacked it all up reading it literally.

now this isnt modern day mans mistake, as the mistake happened thousands of year ago. I

It only has to be a modern day mistake if your stupid enough and i mean mentally handicapped freaking stupid to believe its a true story

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02-21-2011 04:18 AM  6 years agoPost 3866
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There are about 1,250,000 identified species of animal. This includes 1,190,200 invertebrates, among them 950,000 insects, 70,000 mollusks, 40,000 crustaceans, and 130,200 others. There are about 58,800 identified vertebrates, including 29,300 fish, 5,743 amphibians, 8,240 reptiles, 9,800 birds, and 5,416 mammals.

There were 2 of each on a boat? That must have been some boat! ...and one exhausted crew. So the 2 of each species bred when the water subsided? ..and from there repopulated the earth?

Pretty darn remarkable. A guy I work with claims that 2 of all species of dinosaur were also on the boat. Yes, he is a YEC.

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02-21-2011 05:11 AM  6 years agoPost 3867
outhouse

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this kind of barbaric faith needs to stop.

with threads like this you would think it would help.

once there YEC there is no hope, if they can become brainwashed that easy then there pretty much worthless and only drags down humanity.

zig hiel lol

Ok maybe thats a little to over the top but man, i cant believe as a modern culture the education levels are so poor.

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02-21-2011 05:23 AM  6 years agoPost 3868
Dennis (RIP)

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this kind of barbaric faith needs to stop.

with threads like this you would think it would help.

What are you going to do about it tough guy?

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02-21-2011 06:50 AM  6 years agoPost 3869
outhouse

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the battle isnt with the old deet, there doomed to imagination.

now the young are the ones who are not posting but reading.

they know its all horse crap and dont care

those that are on the fence can make a choice

those that are not will live in a imaginary world i guess

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02-21-2011 08:19 AM  6 years agoPost 3870
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outhouse
but man, i cant believe as a modern culture the education levels are so poor.
If this is anything to go by, HELP!!!!

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02-21-2011 09:55 AM  6 years agoPost 3871
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That video is funny and sad at the same time.. Anyone can go shoot footage for a day and edit it to look however they want though. duh.

Also. You guys make me laugh putting limits on God who created everything in the first place.

Sleep well dear friends.

I've never met a helicopter I didn't like :)

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02-21-2011 02:59 PM  6 years agoPost 3872
Dusty1000

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Also. You guys make me laugh putting limits on God who created everything in the first place.
So, can we take this to mean that you do believe that the Noah's Ark story could have actually happened?

Dusty

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02-21-2011 05:18 PM  6 years agoPost 3873
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It most certainly is. Take a peek at the first amendment:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

That may not say anything about logic. But, logic can be defined by anyone who wishes to use it for their own purposes. Seems logical to me.
that's got nothing to do with logic - it's got to do with poeple's rights to be idiotic morons.

I too could be the founder of the Church of Santa Claus and all his teachings, but at the end of the day if I did such a thing I would go down in history as an idiot.

In the same way that society cannot control what people think or feel, even if what they think and feel doesn't make sense, or have implications to society in general. For example stalkers will always believe whomever they are infatuated are secretly in love with them and there's nothing that the police, the law, and the psychiatrists could do a jot about it as long as the stalker stays away from their victims. Stalkers don't have "logic" in their reasoning - just f@#@$ up feelings and ego. The latter characterises the majority of the religious.

The upshoot of this is that for Jesus Christ, Allah and the Hindu Gods, we all know that their gig is up and it's high time you they got bracketed with Santa Claus, the tooth fairy etc. .

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02-21-2011 05:25 PM  6 years agoPost 3874
Dennis (RIP)

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that's got nothing to do with logic - it's got to do with poeple's rights to be idiotic morons.
Yeah, the same way you are displaying yourself here.

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02-21-2011 06:17 PM  6 years agoPost 3875
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Yeah, the same way you are displaying yourself here.
you shouldn't talk about yourself so much.

You want to believe in Santa Claus, well that's your right. There's no law telling you that you can't.

The analogy is that the religious are the delusional stalkers, and the likes of outhouse, gimble, dusty and me are the police officers, lawyers, doctors and psychiatric workers telling the stalkers that they're thinking complete sh#$ and their object of affection is not interested. And because the object of their affection want nothing to do with them ("God" is never around to show himself), their "faith" becomes even more moronically stronger.

I can't get it more simple than that.

And you'll never answer outhouse's questions because you don't want to give up the gig.

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02-21-2011 09:26 PM  6 years agoPost 3876
Dennis (RIP)

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The analogy is that the religious are the delusional stalkers, and the likes of outhouse, gimble, dusty and me are the police officers, lawyers, doctors and psychiatric workers telling the stalkers that they're thinking complete sh#$ and their object of affection is not interested.
Now, that is just to funny.

And you'll never answer outhouse's questions because you don't want to give up the gig.
One of you guy's biggest problems is that you are doing exactly what you accuse Christians of doing. Taking the bible a bit to seriously.

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02-21-2011 10:56 PM  6 years agoPost 3877
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""Americans are NOT stupid - WITH SUBTITLES""

you know I was asked once "how many States are there inside the USA" ,,

I said "48",,

I was told I was wrong,,

but I was NOT wrong !! and I told them so,, there is only 48 States "inside" the USA,

and there are 2 States outside the USA, so 50 States makeup the USA..

see,,, trick answer

Jim
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02-22-2011 12:07 AM  6 years agoPost 3878
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What is truly funny is how some on here put themselves so above everyone else based on the fact that Christian's can't show god and they think Science is infallible. Science is not perfect and those that ask for proof of god cannot totally discount a god's existence. If they could prove beyond all doubt then the debate would have ended long ago. Why is it so important that either side try so hard to convince the other of their view. It will never happen. I will say it is interesting to watch this play out and see how people place themselves better than others based on what cannot be proven either way.

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02-22-2011 12:22 AM  6 years agoPost 3879
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A guy I work with claims that 2 of all species of dinosaur were also on the boat. Yes, he is a YEC.
YEC? Wot dat be?

Nevermind -- wadda moroooon.

And the amount of company he has is truly, deeply frightening for what it portends for the future of our species, and all the other species as well.

op-thwop-thwop-thwop-thwop-thwop-thwop-thwop-thwop-thwop-thwop-thwop-thwop-t

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02-22-2011 12:25 AM  6 years agoPost 3880
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Taking the bible a bit to seriously.
Either it's true, or it's not. It's strange that anyone would just believe some of it and not the rest. I mean, is the supernatural real or not? If God exists then it must be. So then, why would the story of Noah's Ark not have been possible? God could have made the water appear, then disappear, as if by a miracle, and increased the heat from the sun so that water would not have frozen at that altitude, and miracled some extra atmosphere at that altitude so that Noah and all the animals didn't suffocate. Also of course he might have changed the laws of physics temporarily to allow such a large boat to have been built from wood.

Does that sound far fetched? Not as far fetched as to think that he 'created' it all in the first place.

Dusty

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