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02-20-2011 06:47 PM  6 years agoPost 3841
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Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that their deeds will be exposed.

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02-20-2011 07:03 PM  6 years agoPost 3842
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Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that their deeds will be exposed.
then how did you get in the light convict lol

ill bet $5000 bucks hard cash in hand TODAY, I have lived a better life then you

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02-20-2011 07:13 PM  6 years agoPost 3843
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No one said it could intrude on science that I recall. I am sure it has in the past. But, it does not today. Certainly not in advanced cultures. Science keeps ticking along nicely regardless of anyone's faith.

That said, its simply another reason why science and faith are not compatible.
yes, it still does. Adam and Eve etc. . . One God for all etc. . . If the Bible says that there were 7 days and 7 nights of creation, that early man lived to be over 900 years old etc. . . then, yes, that's complete and utter BS.

Also faith must hold up to ethical and logical scrutiny. It does not - never has. That's why it's a fail. They're just stories made up by people, and like stories made up by people, eventually there are going to be glaringly obvious holes exposed later on by astute critics and philosophers.

Outhouse's questions are never going to be answered by you lot because he knows that the religious are totally and utterly delusional and would never listen to proper reasoning.

Meanwhile our friend helicopter here is suffering from a very elaborate guilt complex which is why he has to lean on his "faith" so much. This is plain for anyone to see.

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02-20-2011 08:07 PM  6 years agoPost 3844
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ill bet $5000 bucks hard cash in hand TODAY, I have lived a better life then you
The odds that you (high school drop out) have $5000 bucks to bet are rather slim.

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02-20-2011 08:09 PM  6 years agoPost 3845
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First off, I have never been a convict.
But a Nevada man, filled with the devil, accuses me as such.
You, Dr House, picked it up and speel's forth, yet you don't
know from whence you got it.

Yet you HEAR the voice of the devil, rather than the LOVELY
voice of God WHO is reaching out to save you from eternal death.

Second SK, Faith is not a crutch. Though the devil wants you
to believe that.

Faith is a gift from God our Creator.

Unless the heart will let God in, that soul will perish forever.
That place of eternal abode is called HELL by Jesus Himself.

I don't want to go there. It is gonna suck.

There is no delusion with God. He is perfect in all His ways.
He is trying to grab your attention and save you from
your impending and certain death, hell and the grave.

Here is one more word from Jesus:

John 3:36
36 Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God’s wrath remains on them.

God will let you have your choice as HE has Swarn NOT to
infringe on the FREE WILL of mankind. This TOO, a Gift!

You end up in hell, not from God, HE wants to save you from
eternal separation from HIMSELF. (*Which IS HELL.)

You send yourself to hell for NOT listening to God.

Not Seeing His Son on the Cross dying for you.

For NOT believing HIM, but rather believing the devil, who
has taken you captive to do his will btw...

So to you - God will become your saviour, or your Judge.

AND YOU GET TO CHOOOOOOOOOSE!

Jesus DID rise from the Grave. He is Alive forever more...

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02-20-2011 08:10 PM  6 years agoPost 3846
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Also faith must hold up to ethical and logical scrutiny.
Depends on who is doing it, why and what they are looking for.

There are many folks out there that have no reason or desire to question their faith. Thats their privilege and their right to do that.

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02-20-2011 08:15 PM  6 years agoPost 3847
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Meanwhile our friend helicopter here is suffering from a very elaborate guilt complex which is why he has to lean on his "faith" so much. This is plain for anyone to see.
Speaking of guilt complex, you might take a peek at yours:

outhouse
then how did you get in the light convict lol
outhouse
listen here you whack job
outhouse
your a corrupt old gezer ready for the ground
outhouse
BS you whack job!
outhouse
you dont have a clue about anything whack job
All the above is just from one page and responses to just 2 posts by someone who has a different viewpoint than yours. . You are one very nasty individual there outhouse.

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02-20-2011 08:23 PM  6 years agoPost 3848
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There are many folks out there that have no reason or desire to question their faith. Thats their privilege and their right to do that.
but then when you apply that to people who believe in Santa Claus, etc . . it doesn't really hold much water now, does it? It just makes these people look like the morons they are, doesn't it?
Depends on who is doing it, why and what they are looking for.
on the one hand yes, but on the other hand NO. Consider what Bertrand Russell said about the concept of sin in the context of an omnipotent God:

The world, we are told, was created by a God who is both good and omnipotent. Before He created the world He foresaw all the pain and misery that it would contain; He is therefore responsible for all of it. It is useless to argue that the pain in the world is due to sin.
In the first place, this is not true; it is not sin that causes rivers to overflow their banks or volcanoes to erupt. But even if it were true, it would make no difference. If I were going to beget a child knowing that the child was going to be a homicidal maniac, I should be responsible for his crimes. If God knew in advance the sins of which man would be guilty, He was clearly responsible for all the consequences of those sins when He decided to create man.

Brutal, and to the point. This makes most faiths look like total, utter crap that they are. And those that believe in them to be total, utter morons as a consequence.

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02-20-2011 08:27 PM  6 years agoPost 3849
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but then when you apply that to people who believe in Santa Claus, etc . . it doesn't really hold much water now, does it?
If you want to do that, then I suppose it does. I don't think that most people of faith is going to compare with Santa Claus. You think?

It just makes these people look like the morons they are, doesn't it?
To YOU, there is not much question about that.

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02-20-2011 08:53 PM  6 years agoPost 3850
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To YOU, there is not much question about that.
No, they are. Because the construct is logically flawed now, isn't it?

Nothing to do with me, just blunt logic. The Bible has no right to state God being omnipotent and then talk the crap that it does about sin. If it can't stand up to itself in terms of logical consistency then clearly it's a pile of crap isn't it?

That's what a lot of people don't get, their ego gets in the way. You can't construct rubbish and pass it as "faith" without it being tested and shown to be harmonously consistent. Some people could get away with flawed crap, we call such people delusional.
I don't think that most people of faith is going to compare with Santa Claus.
Santa Claus has about as much credibility as the major faiths is the point I'm making.

The reasoning why all these religions are wrong is simple: a supernatural entity would not be doing the things that these faiths claims that it/he/they would be doing and in no way is it consistently logical with the concept of man's existence. If you are a supernatural entity and can do whatever it is you want, in whatever way and for whatever reasons, man (being us) would not be on your priority list. It's as simple as that. The fact that man (that is most of us) think that such a supernatural entity has "good intentions" for us has everything to do with the crap that is the major religious faiths.

We are still left with a problem though: we know the major religions are wrong, man made crap and all. However, it still leaves the question of whatever supernatural entity it is that started it all off.

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02-20-2011 09:17 PM  6 years agoPost 3851
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No, they are. Because the construct is logically flawed now, isn't it?
Nope. To the truly faithful, their faith is very logical to them.
Santa Claus has about as much credibility as the major faiths is the point I'm making.
Not very well.

However, it still leaves the question of whatever supernatural entity it is that started it all off.
Ask yourself that question. The answer is either there or it ain't. You choose.

I can guarantee you that you will not find the answer here.

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02-20-2011 09:42 PM  6 years agoPost 3852
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this shuts up the faith crowd pretty quickly

they can never answer these questions

#1 Now,, can you argue that man has not been creating man and women gods and spirits for the last 200,000 years???

#2 Can you show me a remote tribe who does not have made up spirits or gods in any part of the world???

#3 Can you show me any parallels in these remote tribes that would indicate that there god is also your god talking to them in the local language and thus the god figure is sharing the same information with all people????

#4 Can you show me that your hebrew god figure does not have any simularity's with previous pagan religions such as sumerians and egpytions???

#5 The ancient hebrews put more importance on male's then females, does this show in their early writings regarding the god figure being created as a male "father" ????

#6 Do you think all other gods and spirits are made up by the local people of that geographic region?

#7 Did people speak other languages around the world before the tower of babal?

#8 is the earth 6000 years old and created in one day???

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02-20-2011 09:43 PM  6 years agoPost 3853
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First off, I have never been a convict.
But a Nevada man, filled with the devil, accuses me as such.
im actually glad your not a complete scumbag.

I will refrain from the convict quotation.

all you had to do was have a normal conversation, up until this time you have not.

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02-20-2011 10:31 PM  6 years agoPost 3854
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First off, I have never been a convict.
That's yet another lie from you, and you cannot prove otherwise.

Typical nonsense though from the morally bankrupt, existentially insane types.

Everyone on Earth like YOU belongs in prison for life -- or worse.

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02-20-2011 10:54 PM  6 years agoPost 3855
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Nope. To the truly faithful, their faith is very logical to them.
this is the most nonsensical reply imaginable. And it shows to me what kind of person/people I'm dealing with.

logic is not subjective, otherwise it would not be logic. The consequence of this is that if it is logical to them, by implication, it HAS to be logical to ME and EVERYONE ELSE. The fact that it is not, immediately implies that their "faith" is a load of #@#$#$.

this just tells me that the majority of the religious are complete and utter morons.

you think that logic in faith is some kind of democratic right or something, open to personal interpretation: it's not, can't be. It would be like saying that everyone experiences gravity in a subjective way - not the case at all. If someone states such and such a belief about gravity that he says is "logical" to him, it has to be "logical" to everyone else.
Ask yourself that question. The answer is either there or it ain't. You choose.

I can guarantee you that you will not find the answer here.
I really don't care for the answer. It doesn't really affect me in my life at all. The reason why it affects other people is either because they are repressed or dominated, or scared, or can't think fo themselves.

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02-20-2011 11:05 PM  6 years agoPost 3856
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The human soul is eternal.

God has made it thus.

SK when you get mad at God for NOT doing anything about
the evil in the world, you are missing it!

HE IS.

HE DID.

HE SHALL (for you, if you allow HIM.)

Your Q why does God, being omnipotent, allow a homocidal
baby to be born, when.....

Because HE gave all of us FREE MORAL AGENCY...

A free will.

But GOD is presently REDEEMING a few from impending death,
hell, the grave, and eternal separation from Him who is LOVE.

This is what the Bible is all about.

Some get it. Some do not.

Here, again from the WORD:

Matt 7:13-14
The Narrow and Wide Gates
13 “Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. 14 But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it."

God wants you to take His Son's hand.

He will rescue you.

Take it.

Or Die in your own sins.

{Remember this: The Bible says that the devil owns this world
in it's present state of affairs. God will take HIS adopted
children and create a new world just for them. The Devil,
doesn't want you to KNOW THE TRUTH, and will do everything
in his power to dissuade you from knowing GOD.}

This is the exact reason some here, owned by the devil
do his will and get so dad-blamed mad at me, a sinner saved
by the Grace of God, for simply sharing the Gospel of Jesus...

You choose.

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02-20-2011 11:16 PM  6 years agoPost 3857
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Prove for us you're not a convict, Byron.

And while you're at it, prove for us you didn't commit the crimes you were accused of, and have previously alluded to here. C'mon, convict -- spill it!

Whassamadda -- cat got your tongue?

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02-20-2011 11:29 PM  6 years agoPost 3858
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The Bible says the devil is the accuser of the brethren.

The brethren, are we who have been redeemed by the

BLOOD OF JESUS. The Lamb of God slain from the foundations
of the world to destroy the works of satan and his own.

Revelation 12 is where God calls the devil THE ACCUSER:

Rev 12:10
And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

And this wonderful verse from Saint Paul in the 2 Corinthian letter
from Chapter 4:
3 And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing. 4 The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel that displays the glory of Christ, who is the image of God. 5 For what we preach is not ourselves, but Jesus Christ as Lord, and ourselves as your servants for Jesus’ sake. 6 For God, who said, “Let light shine out of darkness,” made his light shine in our hearts to give us the light of the knowledge of God’s glory displayed in the face of Christ.

7 But we have this treasure in jars of clay to show that this all-surpassing power is from God and not from us.

The god of this age is in reference to the devil.

The question of the days is:

DO YOU BELONG TO GOD OR THE DEVIL?

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02-20-2011 11:56 PM  6 years agoPost 3859
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you think that logic in faith is some kind of democratic right or something
It most certainly is. Take a peek at the first amendment:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

That may not say anything about logic. But, logic can be defined by anyone who wishes to use it for their own purposes. Seems logical to me.

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02-21-2011 12:54 AM  6 years agoPost 3860
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this shuts up the faith crowd pretty quickly

they can never answer these questions

#1 Now,, can you argue that man has not been creating man and women gods and spirits for the last 200,000 years???

#2 Can you show me a remote tribe who does not have made up spirits or gods in any part of the world???

#3 Can you show me any parallels in these remote tribes that would indicate that there god is also your god talking to them in the local language and thus the god figure is sharing the same information with all people????

#4 Can you show me that your hebrew god figure does not have any simularity's with previous pagan religions such as sumerians and egpytions???

#5 The ancient hebrews put more importance on male's then females, does this show in their early writings regarding the god figure being created as a male "father" ????

#6 Do you think all other gods and spirits are made up by the local people of that geographic region?

#7 Did people speak other languages around the world before the tower of babal?

#8 is the earth 6000 years old and created in one day???

#9 did man really walk around with dinosaurs ????

#10 did early man live to 900 years as it states noah and adam did????

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