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02-17-2011 05:43 PM  6 years agoPost 3801
Dennis (RIP)

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Decent people care about others, and are prepared to help others with their problems, just as I am trying to do with you and Dennis.
I believe most of us here are basically decent people. Excluding outhouse, of course.

Have you arrived at any conclusions as to why you are infatuated with outhouse yet?
Speaking for myself, I am only infatuated with pointing out outhouse's failings. There are many. With him, there is no such thing as openmindeness. At least here on this forum, he is an egotistical, armchair scientist, high school drop out, name calling little turd who refuses to accept that others have a different opinion than himself and demonizes those who show another opinion. He's has shown very clearly thats all he's got.

Dusty's behavior here has been far, far better than that although I do see that both sides of this discussion is rather close minded. Thats fine. I can say for myself that my faith is not shaken and to this day have seen no evidence to change.

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02-17-2011 08:02 PM  6 years agoPost 3802
outhouse

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then show were the "Information" comes from
heres your sign

this shows how the planets come from, next will refute your bogus claims

Watch at YouTube

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02-17-2011 08:25 PM  6 years agoPost 3803
outhouse

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Dusty's behavior here has been far
WATCH OUT DUSTY

I think he has a crush on you!!!

i can see deet now, LOL mouth open and tongue out and eyes shut for YOU!!!

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02-17-2011 08:28 PM  6 years agoPost 3804
outhouse

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I'll say it again what a narrow minded bunch of ASSHOLES.
we are doing a good job dusty

like at how good the christian trash acts lol

atleast he sets a typical example of all christians when faced with truth and reality.

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02-17-2011 08:44 PM  6 years agoPost 3805
Dennis (RIP)

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atleast he sets a typical example of all christians when faced with truth and reality.
Depends on who's truth and who's reality.

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02-17-2011 09:00 PM  6 years agoPost 3806
husky385

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I'm going to try one more time Dusty. It has NEVER been about the CONTENT of the postings on this thread. It is ONLY about the PRESENTATION of that content. Being I am one of you I have no qualms about to stooping to his level and yours if you continue to support it. Put on some man shorts and say what's right.
Kevin

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02-17-2011 09:57 PM  6 years agoPost 3807
outhouse

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you ancient old codgers dont get cake and ice cream too

quit your belly aching

everything is subjected to scrutiny....but for some reason when

Young Earth creationism
Old Earth creationism
Gap creationism
Day-Age creationism
Progressive creationism
Neo-Creationism
Intelligent design

are closely examined, there is a sense of a pragmatic doctrine of absolutes
which stands apart from the scientific method.

Certainty and myth
A scientific theory hinges on empirical findings, and remains subject to falsification if new evidence is presented. That is, no theory is ever considered certain. Theories very rarely result in vast changes in human understanding. Knowledge in science is gained by a gradual synthesis of information from different experiments, by various researchers, across different domains of science.[25] Theories vary in the extent to which they have been tested and retained, as well as their acceptance in the scientific community.
In contrast, a myth may enjoy uncritical acceptance by members of a certain group.[26] The difference between a theory and a myth reflects a preference for a posteriori versus a priori knowledge. That is, theories become accepted by a scientific community as evidence for the theory is presented, and as presumptions that are inconsistent with the evidence are falsified.

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02-17-2011 10:54 PM  6 years agoPost 3808
Dennis (RIP)

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everything is subjected to scrutiny
Including you !!

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02-17-2011 11:25 PM  6 years agoPost 3809
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I'm going to try one more time Dusty. It has NEVER been about the CONTENT of the postings on this thread. It is ONLY about the PRESENTATION of that content. Being I am one of you I have no qualms about to stooping to his level and yours if you continue to support it. Put on some man shorts and say what's right.
Oh we know it's all about presentation and not content with you. Just look at your posts, there's no relevant content at all, and what about the presentation? If there was a prize for the member with the most offensive posts over the past few pages, you would be sure to get it. Yet you act like some sort of self-appointed moderator, objecting to what other people post?

As for what is 'right', do you really think that's down to you or I to decide? I've already said that I respect the rights of other posters to post within the rules of the forum. If I have a problem with what anyone posts, you will see that I'll let them know about it. Honestly, I am really surprised that you have the gall to complain about what other people post, given what you post yourself.

If you want others to change their ways, then why not try leading by example? The example you are setting at the moment leaves much to be desired. Didn't anyone ever tell you that no-one likes bullies? Why not try using reason instead? but then that would mean getting involved in an actual discussion, which is obviously not what you are here for.

What do you mean you are 'one of us'?
I am certainly not 'one of you'

Dusty

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02-17-2011 11:32 PM  6 years agoPost 3810
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i can see deet now, LOL mouth open and tongue out and eyes shut for YOU!!!
Are you trying to give me nightmares?
we are doing a good job dusty
So it would seem. I was just having a look back at the start of this thread, and there was certainly much more positive input from the pro-creationists back then. They seem to have run out of ideas now to try to support their positions, and Gearhead is about the only one still having a go. Apart from that, about all we get is negativity, and reluctance to even state exactly what their position is, because they know that it won't stand up to scrutiny.

Surely there must be someone who believes in creation out there, and who is able to present a reasoned argument to support their position. Note to anyone who is wondering: Bible texts do not constitute a reasoned argument.

Dusty

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02-18-2011 12:02 AM  6 years agoPost 3811
husky385

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Oh we know it's all about presentation and not content with you. Just look at your posts, there's no relevant content at all, and what about the presentation?
Is it that you just don't get it or are you really like him?
Yet you act like some sort of self-appointed moderator, objecting to what other people post?
If you would police your own back yard other people won't have to.

Kevin

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02-18-2011 12:37 AM  6 years agoPost 3812
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""Yet you act like some sort of self-appointed moderator, objecting to what other people post""

funny "you" would say something like that !!!

Jim
Buzz Buzz Buzz

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02-18-2011 04:20 AM  6 years agoPost 3813
Dennis (RIP)

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i can see deet now, LOL mouth open and tongue out and eyes shut for YOU!!!
No more compliments for Dusty's kind behavior here.

Thank your pal outhouse for that Dusty.

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02-18-2011 06:12 AM  6 years agoPost 3814
Dusty1000

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Is it that you just don't get it or are you really like him?

If you would police your own back yard other people won't have to.
Matthew 7:3 "Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?''
funny "you" would say something like that !!!
Ya think so?
Thank your pal outhouse for that Dusty.
Thanks outhouse. No more nightmares for me.

Dusty

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02-18-2011 06:22 AM  6 years agoPost 3815
outhouse

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LOl thats funny right there

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02-18-2011 03:55 PM  6 years agoPost 3816
husky385

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Matthew 7:3 "Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?
Because you two put the damn plank there, comprende.

Kevin

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02-19-2011 05:46 AM  6 years agoPost 3817
outhouse

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you have to love old fat guys that talk tough

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02-19-2011 11:51 AM  6 years agoPost 3818
Thomas L Erb

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everything is subjected to scrutiny....but for some reason when

Young Earth creationism
Old Earth creationism
Gap creationism
Day-Age creationism
Progressive creationism
Neo-Creationism
Intelligent design

are closely examined, there is a sense of a pragmatic doctrine of absolutes
which stands apart from the scientific method.
Outhouse to adjust this statement i would say that these doctrines are based on fact that there are absolutes. somthing that is totally missing in todays mindset.
Certainty and myth
A scientific theory hinges on empirical findings, and remains subject to falsification if new evidence is presented. That is, no theory is ever considered certain. Theories very rarely result in vast changes in human understanding. Knowledge in science is gained by a gradual synthesis of information from different experiments, by various researchers, across different domains of science.[25] Theories vary in the extent to which they have been tested and retained, as well as their acceptance in the scientific community.
In contrast, a myth may enjoy uncritical acceptance by members of a certain group.[26] The difference between a theory and a myth reflects a preference for a posteriori versus a priori knowledge. That is, theories become accepted by a scientific community as evidence for the theory is presented, and as presumptions that are inconsistent with the evidence are falsified.
alot of science has a problem with absolutes which is easly seen in this statement. Not that science is bad or wrong but it is still is only proven fact until it is proven different which seems in some examples to be quite often. Just look at how many times carbon dating methods have changed and are still changing but yet they still get inconsistent findings.
If i get a big enough grant and a slick scientist i could make anything look real. i.e. - "global warming"

In my studies of myself and the world around me I see that the evidence of the events as told in the bible can and have been able to be proven over and over but some cant and wont see the evidence in front of them because they "absolutely" dont believe in "absolutes". LOL seems a little ironic to me.
I am a man of simple faith and not a scholar like some here but just see the evidence that is in front of me every day . How can anybody miss the simple evidence in front of their own eyes and be blinded to the truth. Truthflully now look at your own hand let alone everything around you and tell yourself that you know deep in your soul that this "just happened" . I think somtimes we think so much of ourselves that we overlook the simple and obvious truths in front of us (including myself).

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02-19-2011 06:30 PM  6 years agoPost 3819
outhouse

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Good Morning Thomas

thanks for the reply
Just look at how many times carbon dating methods have changed and are still changing but yet they still get inconsistent findings.
dating methods change because some are more accurate then others and some test many different materials more accurate.

there are no problems with todays dating methods and all are very accurate.

when someone starts out complaining about dating methods its a sure sign of a YEC and a severe lack of scientific knowledge.

if im wrong show me a real article that states how bad dating methods are. Please dont try the creationist websites. I know all their material and I will refute that easily.
I see that the evidence of the events as told in the bible can and have been able to be proven over and over
please explain what you see

I know the bible is full of myths that never happened.

there was no worldwide flood
man was not created in one day
no woman from a rib
no earth in a day
no 900 year old men
no ark
man spoke many languages before the tower of babal

and so on and so on

christians jack the bible up really bad, the jews wrote it and ment for everyone to read it like fiction. They still will tell you this today.

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02-19-2011 07:56 PM  6 years agoPost 3820
Adam Henley

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Hey, I've been away from this thread for quite a while, but I do check in from time to time to see how everyone is doing.

Outhouse you say with such confidence that

[quote]there was no worldwide flood
man was not created in one day
no woman from a rib
no earth in a day
no 900 year old men
no ark
man spoke many languages before the tower of babal

and so on and so on

Can you please show me how you know all this? I won't pretend that "I" can reveal the creator to you any more than you can prove this to me. You always say something like it is irrefutable and already proven. That is just not so. It is not proven. Trust me if there were proof that there was not a creator it would be much more publicized. If there was proof, I would have a really hard time explaining to God how I cant know Him anymore too.

All I'm saying is you are very stubborn in holding on to facts that can't be proven. I have explained many times in this thread that you can seek God and find him for your proof. Its obvious you are still not trying to find him. I don't want to get in to some big disagreement about how you or I are right or wrong. It's just that to ourselves we are both right. I hold on to spiritual truth that you can't and don't try to understand. If you can show me anything that is scientific to "prove" that you were an accident, I would love to see it. Again, isn't a God that created such an amazing universe worth knowing? The only way I will ever respect you and leave you alone about the whole God thing is if you really truly and sincerely tried to know Him and failed. If that ever took place. I will leave you to what you want to believe and please leave the rest of us to the truth we already know.

BTW. I love scientific discovery and I'm looking forward to what develops from the hadron collider. I believe the deeper we dig the more truth will be revealed. I just think there are so many people desperate to disprove a creator because they don't want to be accountable to something other than them selves. I will have no problem the day you come to me and say "HERE IT IS" there is no way we were created but that it was an accident. I'll say ok guess you were right. I'm big enough to do that I think. If somehow it ever is proven there will be a lot of people with no will to live anymore. Why would the world even care to exist if it was an accident and we know someday it will be gone no matter what happens? It means its all pointless and that love itself is not nothing more than illusion. So sad.

Again please don't ramble off vain utterances from your mouth or fingers. They are not going to change anything. I don't pretend mine are either, but its strange how engaging this thread is.

I've never met a helicopter I didn't like :)

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