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01-02-2011 11:22 PM  6 years agoPost 2841
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I have a confession to make I would like to get off my chest.

Usually when I make a reply here, I read it thoroughly before posting to correct spelling, grammar, common mistakes, etc. Sometimes I goof and have to edit. I am sure most of you are aware of that. I try to do the editing as quickly as possible.

This morning, when I made that post about not being a creationist, but still being an intelligent design guy, I was in kind of a hurry to get on the way to breakfast and made a quick re read of it and hit the "Submit Reply" button. But first, while re reading my post, I thought that ought to get a chuckle out of Dusty. And in addition, that post ought to get a rise out of that little tird outhouse and get him into his ignorance and name calling kick and possibly get his evolution panties in a wad.

Quite a successful post after all. Don't you think?

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01-03-2011 03:02 AM  6 years agoPost 2842
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here is an excellent video that does not discount religion.

excellent physics with a hint of biology

Watch at YouTube

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01-03-2011 03:48 AM  6 years agoPost 2843
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Nice comedy outhouse.

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01-03-2011 12:21 PM  6 years agoPost 2844
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Quite a successful post after all. Don't you think?
No I don't think so. A successful post would be one in which you had answered the question.

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01-03-2011 12:30 PM  6 years agoPost 2845
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here is an excellent video that does not discount religion.

excellent physics with a hint of biology
Excellent video indeed.

I would categorise believers in the Bible into two categories:

1) Those who refuse to seriously consider the evidence in front of them. If the Bible said that black was white, they would believe it to be so because they had never seriously considered the possibility that black might actually be black.

2) Those who do realise that black looks like it is actually black, but if the Bible says it's white, then we must be mistaken.

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01-03-2011 05:05 PM  6 years agoPost 2846
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the churches dogma created the literal translation we have today.

before if you opposed is you were murdered in cold blood

by murder alone the literal dogma carried through into modern times crippling intellect

because children were raised to be god fearing they are now old and set in the ways.

god fearing children are a thing of the past, but we have to wait out for all the old people with stubborn way's to die off so that humanity can advance as a whole.

we are in a waiting pattern and a slow proccess of evolving foward

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01-03-2011 05:17 PM  6 years agoPost 2847
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In God We Trust

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"In God We Trust"

In God We Trust is the official motto of the United States and the U.S. state of Florida. It has appeared on U.S. currency since the 1860s and was adopted as the official national motto in 1956.[1] Its Spanish equivalent, En Dios Confiamos, is the motto of the Central American nation of Nicaragua.[2]

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The motto is opposed for a variety of reasons, but is still widely supported by a majority of Americans.[10] According to a 2003 Gallup Poll, 90% of Americans approve of the inscription on U.S. coins.[11]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_God_We_Trust

Regardless of your evolutionary zealotry outhouse, and your anger and hate towards God or anything religious, you are a very small minority. You are going to stay that way. No biggee. Up to you.

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01-03-2011 05:19 PM  6 years agoPost 2848
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Pledge of Allegiance

The current version of the Pledge of Allegiance reads:[1]

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pledge_of_Allegiance

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01-03-2011 05:29 PM  6 years agoPost 2849
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The Star Spangled Banner

The last verse in the banner:

O! thus be it ever, when freemen shall stand
Between their loved home and the war's desolation!
Blest with victory and peace, may the heav'n rescued land
Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation.
Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
And this be our motto: "In God is our trust."
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave![12]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Star-Spangled_Banner

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01-03-2011 06:22 PM  6 years agoPost 2850
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In God We Trust is the official motto of the United States.... The motto is opposed for a variety of reasons
I'm not surprised.

From the wiki article:

''Its use is of patriotic or ceremonial character and bears no true resemblance to a governmental sponsorship of a religious exercise.''

So it need not be taken too seriously. Our national anthem starts off 'God save our gracious Queen' but that doesn't mean that we believe it. It's just a ceremonial or patriotic song, same as your motto is just a ceremonial or patriotic motto

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01-03-2011 06:25 PM  6 years agoPost 2851
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So it need not be taken too seriously. Our national anthem starts off 'God save our gracious Queen' but that doesn't mean that we believe it. It's just a song, same as your motto is just a motto
Of course Dusty. There may be those that don't take that seriously in both our countries.

But, its my view that the vast majority do take it very seriously.

I cannot prove that specific view at the moment. I just know it.

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01-03-2011 07:30 PM  6 years agoPost 2852
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Nobody knows!

Wow, I'm so amazed reading this thread at how many people actually think they know (or are capable of understanding) how and why we are all here. All religions were started by man and so far there is no hard evidence to completely confirm any theory. Evolution seems like the way, but nobody knows what/who set that in motion.

Don't you guys know that if you keep on questioning we all really come to the same conclusion, that it all just happened. Don't want to believe in a creator? Then the logical conclusion is that this whole thing just happened and came from nothing. Want to believe in a creator? Then where did he/she come from? Does our creator have a creator and it goes on to infinity? Do we have creations of our own we're not aware of? The idea of a god that "always has been and always will be" does not answer any questions, you're just passing the mystery on to a superior being. Essentially, even if there is a creator, he/she had to have come from nothing. See, no matter what you believe, you still believe that it all came from nothing.

All of the other stuff is just a source for arguments. I don't think I know the answers to these questions, but to those of you who think you do, then you haven't done enough research. The ones that have done research on ALL religions and scientific theories of our origins and have come to a conclusion of Agnosticism are the truly logical people. There are some underlying similarities between each of them, and some vast differences, but they're all interesting to consider if you don't take them so seriously. If you have fully researched all religions and scientific theories and come to a conclusion that any one of them is the only right answer, then please, prove it to the world or try to reflect and realize that maybe you converted to a religion because you truly wanted to. Also, consider how the human brain works and what it can do in the way of creating images and sounds that one would consider a "personal experience." Don't forget the placebo effect as well, it has a lot to do with the results people get from prayer and meditation.

If you haven't tried, I encourage all of you to thrive for religious literacy and give every religion the same amount of respect. Look at the whole picture.

Of course, I know anything anyone writes will not undo brainwashing caused by your parents at a young age. If that was the case and you think you know the answers, I just hope you are one of the good ones. Doesn't matter what you believe or don't believe, there are good and bad eggs in every group.

Thinking that the world would be any better without religion can be a flawed argument too. Sure, it's the reason behind many wars and murders, but it's our nature as mammals to fight and disagree with packs that are different. Even if there wasn't any religion, we'd still find something to fight about, like who's logic is better, or resources. It's not like any animals have religions, but they still manage to fight.

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01-03-2011 07:38 PM  6 years agoPost 2853
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Essentially, even if there is a creator, he/she had to have come from nothing. See, no matter what you believe, you still believe that it all came from nothing.
You have some good points there Ddutz. Thanks for participating. And, you have my humble sympathies if you have read this entire thread.

But, He came from Faith. Faith is its own evidence that God exists.

Some say thats nonsense. Its not nonsense to the Faithful.
Of course, I know anything anyone writes will not undo brainwashing caused by your parents at a young age.
I hear that term a lot (Brainwashing).

Speaking for myself, its not brainwashing. Its just Faith. Pure and simple.

You can have Faith in many things. Including against God as a minority. But, a Faith in God, in man's mind, will endure forever as a majoirty. Always has. Always will.

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01-03-2011 07:47 PM  6 years agoPost 2854
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I hear you Dennis, and if it makes your life better and you don't think you're better than others because you think you know the answer, then, no harm - no foul. Many religious individuals have put a bad taste in my mouth about it, but not all of them are like that. I can say the same about Atheists.

As for faith, I just don't find that to be a logical argument. Why faith? Where did it come from? What is the source of your faith? What is the definition of faith and does it imply use of logic?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but faith is defined in a firm belief in something of which there is no proof. To me, that doesn't seem like a virtue, it seems like voiding logic because it gets in the way. I'm a big fan of logic. Also, trying to compare faith in a god to a faith in gravity (or other things I've physically seen, felt, or touched) is not a good comparison. Their completely different. The latter is not really faith, it's more of a confidence factor. After sitting in my chair 100 out of 100 times and knowing it will hold my weight, it doesn't build faith, it builds a confidence factor.

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01-03-2011 07:59 PM  6 years ago •• Post 2855 ••
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I hear you Dennis, and if it makes your life better and you don't think you're better than others because you think you know the answer, then, no harm - no foul.
Yeah, I truly don't think I am better than others. I tell you what though Dbutz. There are a few here in this forum that I would certainly not look up to and definatley need some help.

Many religious individuals have put a bad taste in my mouth about it, but not all of them are like that. I can say the same about Atheists.
Glad you see that it works both ways.
As for faith, I just don't find that to be a logical argument. Why faith? Where did it come from? What is the source of your faith? What is the definition of faith and does it imply use of logic?
Without looking up the true definition, and speaking for myself, It gives me comfort in this lousy life and a sense of security in a possible afterlife. I am not sure if there is a hell. But, I do know we, as mankind, have created our own hell on earth.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but faith is defined in a firm belief in something of which there is no proof. To me, that doesn't seem like a virtue, it seems like voiding logic because it gets in the way. I'm a big fan of logic.
Not sure if you can enter logic into it. Rather than logic, I would think a degree of acceptance would do the trick.
The latter is not really faith, it's more of a confidence factor. After sitting in my chair 100 out of 100 times and knowing it will hold my weight, it doesn't build faith, it builds a confidence factor.
But, you might admit that, without using logic and a degree of acceptance, you could use Faith that the chair WILL hold your weight. Up to the individual I suppose. Logic seems to be black & white by the logical. Seems that Faith can also be seen as black & white by the Faithful.

Again, not sure if you could enter logic into Faith. You could make up your own logic I suppose. I have to tell you that I have met people of Faith that have a Faith so deep, that it absolutely could not be denied, and questioning them on it might be to much for most to handle. A look into their eyes could tell quickly. Is logic part of their reasoning? Not sure. If I ever meat another one like that, and they are not preaching my ears off, I just might ask them about that.

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01-03-2011 08:54 PM  6 years agoPost 2856
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But, its my view that the vast majority do take it very seriously.

I cannot prove that specific view at the moment. I just know it.
I don't doubt that the vast majority are patriotic, but there's no doubt that the Christian religion has lost ground in the U.S. in recent years, as have most of the other religions.

According to surveys taken in 1990 and 2008, the percentage of people in the U.S. who don't believe in any God has increased from 8 to 15%, in that time. Nowadays in this internet age, and with the old tending to be more religious than the young, it's reasonable to expect that figure will start increasing sharply.

So one day I'm sure, most Americans will take the God part of your motto as seriously as we take the God part of our national anthem

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01-03-2011 09:00 PM  6 years agoPost 2857
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Hi RC Dbutz
Wow, I'm so amazed reading this thread at how many people actually think they know (or are capable of understanding) how and why we are all here.
Nobody is claiming that they know what started it all off, quite the contrary. It's not really relevant to this thread though, although attempts have been made to confuse abiogenesis with evolution.

As for where mankind came from though, we are as sure as we can be that we evolved from other species. If you have any other suggestions, we're all ears.
If you haven't tried, I encourage all of you to thrive for religious literacy and give every religion the same amount of respect. Look at the whole picture.
+1, but that would seem to be be impossible for someone who already believes in any one religion..

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01-03-2011 09:01 PM  6 years agoPost 2858
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I don't doubt that the vast majority are patriotic, but there's no doubt that the Christian religion has lost ground in the U.S. in recent years, as have most of the other religions.
Yes, thats true at this time Dusty. But, history is a reminder that most aspects of our culture go up and down. Including a Faith in God. It may be down now. Based on history, it'll come back. I have plenty of Faith that it will.

So one day I'm sure, most Americans will take the God part of your motto as seriously as we take the God part of our national anthem.
We are there. This discussion is some evidence of that. The loony left & the ACLU is far more evidence of that.

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01-03-2011 09:07 PM  6 years agoPost 2859
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+1, but that would seem to be be impossible for someone who already believes in any one religion.
I don't feel thats true Dusty.

I do think that most Christians are perfectly willing live live and let live and have a high degree of tolerance of others. Our country and the single fact that folks are not fighting to leave here. But, they are still fighting to get here though. Obviously not for pure religious freedom now a days. But, that certainly is an aspect of it.

You can list exceptions to that. But, those are exceptions to the rule. Not necessarily the rule.

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01-03-2011 09:09 PM  6 years agoPost 2860
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Yes, thats true at this time Dusty. But, history is a reminder that most aspects of our culture go up and down. Including a Faith in God. It may be down now. Based on history, it'll come back. I have plenty of Faith that it will.
Belief in religion doesn't go up and down though, only down. Worldwide. Besides, AFAIK the first survey ever taken in the U.S. was that one in 1990. Are you aware of another one?

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