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10-05-2010 02:50 AM  7 years agoPost 61
Turkana

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10-06-2010 01:48 AM  7 years agoPost 62
willie evans

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over one year old.

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10-06-2010 02:07 AM  7 years agoPost 63
red_z06

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Hmm. Does that mean I have to do the sales pitch for the next unit to be tested (SJGD FS-600) and the same for HeliCommand HC3X? If I don't sound like a sales pitch what does that mean then?

What happens if I forget to sound like a sales pitch like the one I did for Align 3G?

I can't tell you ahead of the time whether I will sound like that for the FS-600. So, if I sound like I'm selling FS-600, could that possibly mean that I might like the unit that I'm enthusiastic about?

It may take next 4-5 weekends to conduct the test on FS-600 which include converting another FB heli to FBL. If things are not to our liking, it may end up shorter than that. But, if it shows promise, it will probably take longer as I would want to explore more.

Those who know me personally know that I often praise our Align 700N even though we are not associated with them. We actually bought every 700n we own through a retailer just like you. However, they also know that I'm not that vocal about sponsored equipments. Do you think I have that backwards?

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10-06-2010 12:03 PM  7 years agoPost 64
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10-06-2010 05:39 PM  7 years agoPost 65
Thuvanduc

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Why is it that someone always have to spoil the great efforts put forward for the whole heli community gain with such negative remark.

red_z06, please continue with your research and testing and disregard these type of negative and rediculous remarks.

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10-06-2010 06:05 PM  7 years agoPost 66
Silverexpress

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Yes, yes..let's remain objective to the tasks at hand! You've got our full attention! We want to know about FBL units and nothing more.

Regards, Jose

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10-06-2010 11:57 PM  7 years agoPost 67
willie evans

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over one year old.

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10-07-2010 12:40 AM  7 years agoPost 68
red_z06

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If that is true, I would request those who are reps to refrain from posting here.

As for much of MicroBeast posting, What do you expect? I started testing/flying MB during IRCHA and since it worked well, I ended up testing it on a smaller machine as well. Since the OP, I haven't yet moved on to another system yet as posted many times. However, test flights of other systems on OPM have been done. Flying OPM has limitations.

Being able to do this only on the weekends and also having to share that weekend time with family makes testing harder and takes more time/weekends.

Have patience.

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10-07-2010 01:27 AM  7 years agoPost 69
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10-07-2010 01:48 AM  7 years agoPost 70
red_z06

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I see this thread quickly turning into mud slinging.

Is it at all possible to share my findings without reps, fans, anti-fans jumping all over me?

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10-07-2010 03:04 AM  7 years agoPost 71
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Keep on keeping on Benny. I've got the 3G which flies good and I just took off an SJGD which would have flown well if it wasn't in a plastic framed heli as it is susceptible to vibration. I'm getting ready to install the SJGD in an electric to see how it works. Other than a little drift due to vibration, the FS600 worked with no surprises.

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10-07-2010 04:51 PM  7 years agoPost 72
Silverexpress

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Keep objective, keep focused, and try and ignore the rest. You're not obligated to respond to all remarks. By the way still looking for an SK-720? I may have one to lend out. What are the terms, and schedule? Let me know, I'm about to obtain another as a spare unit for my hanger that I can provide for testing.

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10-07-2010 04:55 PM  7 years agoPost 73
red_z06

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Thanks for the offer. I'll keep that in mind. I'll contact Skookum first but I won't get to it for another 2-3 months.

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10-07-2010 05:01 PM  7 years agoPost 74
Silverexpress

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I'm just a customer like everyone else, but I will make sure that the unit I hand you is perfect - as any customer would want.

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10-11-2010 04:55 PM  7 years agoPost 75
red_z06

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Skookum will be included in the testing. A unit is being arranged for testing through the Skookum distributor with tech support from Skookum test pilot Alvin Chai.

But, this is still months away.

Back to the present...

I started working on FS-600 conversion and have an Align 600 FBL head ready.
I am searching for an ideal candidate and was looking at Aeolus 50 or 600. Unfortunately, this bird is not conducive to FBL units with vertical connector layouts like FS-600 or HC3X as it was designed pre-FBL. It seems only V-Bar, mini V-Bar or BeastX can make the conversion less painful.

Choices are

700n (mine but I rather keep it FB at the moment)
600e
X5

It may end up being the 600e.

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10-11-2010 05:15 PM  7 years agoPost 76
EricBrandenburg

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If you are looking to see optimal performance go with the 600e, but the 700n would be a much better test bed due to the higher vibration levels. A nitro 700 or 600 is imo the ideal test heli for fbless, because it will show any weaknesses in the vibration sensitivity of the unit.

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10-11-2010 05:23 PM  7 years agoPost 77
red_z06

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That was my reasoning to go with 700n or Aeolus 50 (similar to 600N).

Between FB 700N and FBL 700N, Justin can't seem to choose. One day he prefers FB and FBL the next. When we used FBL blade, while he liked FBL, he preferred FB. But, after switching back to 3D blade, he can't seem to decide.

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10-11-2010 05:30 PM  7 years agoPost 78
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In my experience, some systems are VERY picky about the blades being used. The total G for example, pretty much needs(for the last 2% of performance) to be running blades optimized for fbless use, meaning the cg is farther out and closer to the LE and heavier weight, otherwise you lose a ton of stability, and get a much more noticable bounce on stops.

The fbl radix blades, and the dual white stripe sab's seems to have the best cg positions and weights that I have seen from any production blades out there at this point. The Edge blades are also pretty good, but I felt they were a little soft in the air for my personal tastes. I have also noticed that the amount of chordwise, and spanwise stiffness makes a big difference as well, chordwise should be as stiff as possible, and spanwise can have some induced flexibility to a certain degree.

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10-11-2010 05:34 PM  7 years agoPost 79
red_z06

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In a congested helis like Aeolus, vertical mount (rotated 90 in roll axis) option could be useful.

www.JustinJee.com

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10-11-2010 06:41 PM  7 years agoPost 80
Gernejr

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Red , Keep up the testing It's great that your time to do this..

From the Skookum Manual :

The gyro unit can be mounted upside down, backwards or rotated 90 degrees, but it must be level and have its sides aligned as accurately as possible with the fore-aft axis of the helicopter as shown in Figure 6.1.
By default, the servo-port end of the unit is the front end. It can be installed in other orientations but the SK720 label must always face up or down.

If you mount Sk720 on Align 600n or 700n Vibes play with replay only . After lots of trail and error I've found 2 metal plates with foam between to give great flight and low vibes. You should as Art for 2 plates when he ships you the unit. When your ready to test I can PM you some pics so you don't spend many weekends trying to lower vibrations.
Have tried many blades too and Radix 690 FBL and Edge 693 FBL have performed the best IMO...

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