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08-13-2010 03:49 AM  7 years agoPost 1
flyfish

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Mini v-bar 5.0 vs Total-g ?

Looking to get my first FBL and as you guessed it I narrowed it down to these to. The unite is going in a T-500. So what makes the Total-g better then the new(blue) mini v-bar ??? Or why is the new (blue) mini V-Bar better?
Help me decide.
Thanks

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08-13-2010 05:00 AM  7 years agoPost 2
misfits0311

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The Total G has not been around long enough to for anyone here to really give an accurate comparison. But you will find, if you do enough research, that most people love the Vbar once they have them and change out their whole fleet. There are a ton of fanboys in this forum, myself included.

You really can't go wrong with the Vbar, esp. not that you can adjust the connected "feel" of the Vbar.

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08-13-2010 02:08 PM  7 years agoPost 3
bkervaski

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If you're really concerned about performance, the Total-G shouldn't even be in the running, it's too new to have any feedback beyond fanboys and marketing hype. It will take months to get the real story.

If you want a polished and mature product with a proven track record and the best support, go V-Bar.

v4 rocked and really widened the gap between other systems and the V-Bar ... v5 is even better.

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08-13-2010 04:33 PM  7 years agoPost 4
Ben-T-Spindle

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In about a year and after the Total-G goes through a couple of firmware upgrades then will be the time to make a comparison. All the top brands are still making lots of improvements so comparing any of them is not that useful.

... BTS

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08-13-2010 05:45 PM  7 years agoPost 5
Aaron29

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it's too new to have any feedback beyond fanboys and marketing hype.
+1000

This is true wisdom.

I have taken to waiting a year to buy ANYTHING. Because initial reports are extremely unreliable.

There seems to be a pattern to reports of new products.

It goes like this...

For the first month of release, you get exaggerations: "This is the best product I have ever used and nothing comes close."

Then, some time later, after it has been on the market for a little while longer, a few people chime in with "Well it's pretty good, but sometimes I get this XXX problem."

...To which fanbois will dismiss with "It's your setup because mine is working perfectly."

Then some time later, the negative posts flood in, which start to make us doubt the fanbois are being totally honest: "Man why don't they do something to fix this XXX problem!"

Then even some more time later the majority agrees to a balanced image of the product: "This product occasionally has XXX problems, but overall it's pretty good."

The truth takes a little time to reveal itself.

Reading threads on the Hyper 50 engine, the CSM 720, and other products, you see this pattern. It begins with initial unconditional acceptance, becoming later a few complaints that are rejected as invalid, finally becoming more complaints that bring more credibility to the complaints, and then a more general conditional acceptance of the product that is based on the true merits and shortcomings.

Over and over again you see this pattern. And only when you get to the conditional acceptance phase of product reporting do you get the truth. Even then, a few will report of 450's that "fly like 90's" and other gross exaggerations.

The truth is usually in the more mundane.

It's even worse when 2 new products that compete come out at nearly the same time, as in this case. Then it takes YEARS to find out the best, because you have to get through the above process twice as folks go first through one then the other. You have to ignore the comparos that people will offer even when they've not tried the competing product. You essentially have to own both before you can truly know which is best. And even then, one may be good at certain things while the other is good at others (Raptor vs. Evo)

We will not know which is better Total-G vs. 5.0 for years.

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08-13-2010 08:19 PM  7 years agoPost 6
Pulento

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I cannot agree more. By now best bet is VBar.

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08-14-2010 03:17 AM  7 years agoPost 7
steve9534

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Aaron
I don't usually reply to this type of thread, but I will say that your analysis of how things go on the forum is about as concise and accurate as I've seen. I've not flown either unit and would be very interested to have the true answer to the original question, but I doubt it will be known for some time. steve.

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08-14-2010 04:20 PM  7 years agoPost 8
floop

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Yes, don't listen to opinions on new stuff. Learn about it the other way.

IT's what I do.

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08-14-2010 04:25 PM  7 years agoPost 9
deafheliflyer

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Aaron
Well said... Very well said..

Ive had my share of trying every NEWEST thing on the market AS SOON AS IT HITS....

Very wise perspective on your part.... Nowadays, everything is VERY similiar in performance, if it stands the test of time and has that little "umph", its worth it.

3G tail however, is NOTHING like Mikado tail.. Mikado tail is one of the BEST TAIL Ive ever tried.. Now, I havent tried the Total G ...

Will wait for others to try it then see So far, Mikado has been around for a lot longer, and has a lot more money into R and D and seems to always be one step ahead of the competition.

Crash-Prone and overcoming it!!!

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08-15-2010 06:58 AM  7 years agoPost 10
D Grade

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Wheres all the guinea pigs in this thread? Someone has to try the Total-G and build some rep on the product.

Im having tail issues with my 3G on my T-Rex 500ESP (not a suprise), Im thinking of switching to the V-Bar because people have nothing but good things to say about it. Im gonna try running my GY520 gyro independent from the 3G and see if that holds the tail again. That way I'll know for sure its the 3Gs issue, not a mechanical issue. Then the planning for a V-Bar switch out can take place.

But yeah, unless you're a guinea pig and dont mind your heli being a test bird, its good to stick with proven setups. V-Bar is definitly that.

2 wrongs dont make a right... but 3 lefts do!

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08-16-2010 03:46 AM  7 years agoPost 11
flyfish

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well i got a mini V-bar 4.0!!!! will upgrade to the 5.0 software.
i like the Curtis stuff the mini-g gyro on my T500 and T600n have been nothing but great!!! and the customer service is top notch!!!

but i think every one is spot on about the V-bar. i do not what to be a beta tester.time will tell, if the reports are good i will try it!!

i am also using a Mac computer and the V-bar works on that to!!!!!

Sorry Curtis

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08-16-2010 06:31 PM  7 years agoPost 12
HeliVIG

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That is cool guys. I am all for substance over hype. I think time will do us good on peoples impressions of the total G. And yes we are working on a Mac version of the interface. Sorry as their ads say, I am a PC. But with my new iPhone and wifes apple laptop that is changing quickly.

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08-16-2010 07:32 PM  7 years agoPost 13
flyfish

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Curtis thanks for the reply!
My friend picked up a total-g at ircha and said you help him set it up on his T700n! I can't what for his flight report with it and to get a closeup look at it!! At least i will have good understading betwen your fbl and the v-bar and we can compare notes!!!
I real hope you get the Mac software for this!

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08-16-2010 08:22 PM  7 years agoPost 14
jakeg1999

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I am quite happy with my 2 and 3rd on the way Total G's. I cannot compare them to the new V-bar as I don't have experience with them. I have had other FBL systems before like the older V-bar, and so far I have no complaints about the Total G. Also for you Mac guys if you have or are willing to get a copy of Windows, you can install it on your Mac. That's what I do as other programs out there such as Castlelink, gyro software, and some chargers software mainly use PC....I am sure someone will do a side by side comparison, and I would imagine both of them will suffice for 95% of the pilots out there. Like any new product, there are almost always hiccups, bugs, and things to learn from. I have no doubt that Curtis will continue to keep up with technology and keep the updates coming. It's going to be nice in the future when prices start to fall as they already have, so that more folks can go fbl, and it will be cool to either do 100% of the programming via your radio, or at least with a phone/pda....

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