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08-13-2010 03:15 AM  7 years agoPost 1
!2Old2Fly

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FP update lessons learned... Yes, you can "update" a heli until you're unable to fly it.

My story is:

I bought my HBFP used from a member of this forum.
At the time, I didn't have the time to really learn to fly, so it sat collecting dust.
Recently, I've gotten some free time, and started working on flying again, so out it came. I was doing GREAT on my CB100 with orientations, so I thought it was time.
What I discovered was that I was nearly incapable of keeping the HBFP in the air! Couldn't hover for more than a few seconds, and FF always ended up in a bad way. This surprised me as I WAS able to fly my EXI 450!! I thought that HBFPs were probably the hardest thing in the world to fly!

So I looked into the set up on the FP. I knew SOMETHING had to be the cause of this.

The member I bought it from was an advanced flier, and he had upgraded this little guy. It had a much more powerful motor, upgraded blades, DD tail, upgraded electronics, highly increased conrtrol throws, etc. Not much of it was actually HBFP any more. The result was that it was a very agile little FP, and was very probably well adapted to the pilot who set it up. But it made it very difficult for a pilot of mush lesser skills to fly.

So I've started to de-tune it.
As I've brought things down to a more normal level, I'm finding that I'm having much better success with it. I still need to bring a couple more things down, but it was a great lesson in upgrading a heli.

You CAN upgrade a heli until you can't fly it.
For those who are just learning to fly: Don't concern yourself with adding endless upgrades. You may well upgrade your heli into a condition where it exceeds your ability to fly. A stock HBFP is capable of doing anything a beginner can ask of it and more. There's simply no need to upgrade them until you KNOW you've exceeded the heli.

Just my little lesson for the day.

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08-13-2010 12:26 PM  7 years agoPost 2
DougsRC

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You CAN upgrade a heli until you can't fly it.
Its true sometimes ! One of the guys I fly with bought a stock Blade 400, it flew fine, a Great training bird but all he was doing was hovering. He kept asking me what upgrades he should do, I said, leave it alone and keep practicing----don't fix it if it ain't broke.

Well, he bought a knock-off CNC head and tail and now he hates the way it responds and has premature wear on the chinese aluminum Back to stock he goes

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08-13-2010 04:55 PM  7 years agoPost 3
!2Old2Fly

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Thanks Doug! Beginners get caught in the loop of "what upgrades do I need" because all the real pilots have added upgrades to theirs. Welp, it don't always help. A beginner cannot usually outfly a stock heli anyway, and in some cases you can make it worse for yourself.

I'm not taking mine back to stock (although I did consider it), but I'm definitely de-tuning it so I can fly it.

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08-14-2010 07:14 PM  7 years agoPost 4
racin06

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I'm the member who sold 2Old2Fly the "suped up" HBFP . Of course, you guys probably assumed that since I was once "the" FP heli maniac. I've moved on, but I still have very fond memories of the HBFP...the heli that taught me how to fly helis . 2Old, you make some very good points and I'm glad you worked out "detuning" the heli. As your skills progress, you will want that responsiveness back.

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08-14-2010 07:32 PM  7 years agoPost 5
!2Old2Fly

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Hey Jim

I really didn't want this to look like I was picking on anyone, or even talking bad about this particular heli. It just took me a while to realize what was going on. I could fly my EXI 450 (somewhat), but the humble HBFP was completely eluding me! lol I thought there was something wrong with me!

Once I finally sat down, and went through the FP the light dawned.

I've stepped the control throws WAY down, and it has helped a ton.
I've left the M24 blades on for now though. They're a little trickier to fly, but I figure they'll sharpen my skills. I really don't want to take it back to stock blades and put up with the problems those present. I'd rather just get used to the Slo-Max / M24 combo.

And besides . . . once the skills come up, I know I can step it back up, and get it a lot more agile! Ir really is a good little heli, with a good amount of capability.

I'm actually making progress with this. It's slow, and the translation from SIM to Real isn't as close as I'd hoped, but I'm progressing. Figuring out why the HBFP was such a handful to fly really helped!

Now if I can just get some days without this persistent breeze ...

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08-14-2010 09:41 PM  7 years agoPost 6
DougsRC

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As your skills progress, you will want that responsiveness back.
It will happen, 2old, take your time bro ! Jim is a whacky , madcap, Krazy-ass, nutso Great pilot with "Balls of steel" The journey is better than the destination

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08-14-2010 11:33 PM  7 years agoPost 7
!2Old2Fly

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The journey is better than the destination
It's all about the journey.
Reaching the destination is just an invitation to start in a new direction.

The wind died down today.
But it's 95 degrees out there.
I'm staying in where it's air conditioned. lol

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08-15-2010 12:59 PM  7 years agoPost 8
racin06

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I really didn't want this to look like I was picking on anyone, or even talking bad about this particular heli.
I didn't take it that way at all and you brought up some very good points .

By the way, 95F in the Seattle area? You must really be cooking up there . The heat and humidity has been miserable the past week here in the Indy area...temps in the mid to high 90s, humidity 70-80% and heat indices 105-110. I certainly don't enjoy flying in those conditions.

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08-15-2010 01:00 PM  7 years agoPost 9
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Jim is a whacky , madcap, Krazy-ass, nutso Great pilot with "Balls of steel"

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08-15-2010 07:41 PM  7 years agoPost 10
!2Old2Fly

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By the way, 95F in the Seattle area? You must really be cooking up there . The heat and humidity has been miserable the past week here in the Indy area...temps in the mid to high 90s, humidity 70-80% and heat indices 105-110. I certainly don't enjoy flying in those conditions.
Yeah, it's a bit toasty up here.
I got out for a couple of flights early yesterday before the furnace go going to bad. Then spent the day under A/C and flew the CB100. I don't enjoy being out under that kind of sun either. Some do, I'm not one of them. Looks like it's just as bad out your way.

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08-15-2010 11:07 PM  7 years agoPost 11
!2Old2Fly

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95 degrees + outside
74 degrees inside

I'm flying the CB100 today.

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