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08-14-2010 11:42 AM  7 years agoPost 21
DougsRC

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Not sure about ghost's---- however, the "BoogieMan" has calmed down quite a bit and is not as scary as he once was.

Watch at YouTube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_cbLS0-Abo

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08-15-2010 04:03 PM  7 years agoPost 22
JasonJ

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Why would 'existing spiritually' be a prerequisite to perceiving nothingness?

An intelligent, well-educated mind can imagine/perceive practically anything.
By spiritually I mean, existing outside the plane of the living. Has nothing to do with religion. Spiritual existence and religion is mutually exclusive. Religion was created by man initially to answer the question of what we are, where we come from, and where we go go when we die. It didn't take long to figure out it can be used to control through fear. It stopped being about answering questions a long time ago.

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08-15-2010 04:48 PM  7 years agoPost 23
philthewrench

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Is this a spiritual interpretation of Schrödinger's cat? Or something altogether different?

Phil

... and now my impression of a lawn dart .......

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08-16-2010 08:11 AM  7 years agoPost 24
GimbalFan (RIP)

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in order for you to perceive there is nothing, you have to exist spiritually to perceive it. Talk about a paradox.
By spiritually I mean, existing outside the plane of the living.
I get your point now.
Religion was created by man initially to answer the question of what we are, where we come from, and where we go go when we die. It didn't take long to figure out it can be used to control through fear. It stopped being about answering questions a long time ago.
Couldn't've said it better myself.

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08-16-2010 12:43 PM  7 years agoPost 25
SSN Pru

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Religion was created by man initially to answer the question of what we are, where we come from, and where we go go when we die. It didn't take long to figure out it can be used to control through fear. It stopped being about answering questions a long time ago.
damn, GF beat me to it!!!

I'm gonna save that snippet if you don't mind. It'll come in handy later on!!!

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08-17-2010 06:00 AM  7 years agoPost 26
JasonJ

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I'm gonna save that snippet if you don't mind. It'll come in handy later on!!!
Go for it. Take two, they're small, and stay crunchy even in milk.

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08-17-2010 11:58 AM  7 years agoPost 27
ccpm raptor

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About a year ago I was staying at my in-laws and a black human figure 7'+ tall moved through the outside wall steady 12' through the inside wall while making a growling sound. I could not move. I try my hardest to move to see it better and I was saying as load as I could "I see you". It was very soft wisper all I could do. I saw this out of the corner of my eye in bed at 3:00 am. And, i'm 33.

Srimoking

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08-18-2010 01:03 AM  7 years agoPost 28
Spitfire1

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^ According to the scientists its called sleep paralasys/night terrors and has something to do with being half way inbetween rem sleep and awake, they believe that when your asleep there is some mechanism that paralyses the body in order to stop you from walking around and banging into walls wilst your asleep, sometimes just before either wakeing up or going going to sleep the eyes remain open while the paralysing mechanism is still in effect, you cant move or shout out and also have dreamlike hallucinations.

Through history the people have experienced the same phenomena, in modern times its likely this is what accounts for many people who believe they have been "visited by aliens" where in historic times it was thought to be of an occult or religious nature. Witches, demons or ghosts e.t.c.

I should say though, even though the scientific explanation is plausible you cant take it as gospel truth, this type of science is not the same thing as astro physics or sending rockets to the moon, its quasi science at best, quite frankly the entire so called science of psychology is nothing but Fruedian Horse crap IMO, so you need to take it with a pinch of salt.

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08-18-2010 01:40 PM  7 years agoPost 29
SSN Pru

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spitfire, that's pretty interesting!

Stupidity can be cured. Ignorance is for life!

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08-18-2010 02:09 PM  7 years agoPost 30
ccpm raptor

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Could be but I just came back from the bathroom. Not even a minute went by before it came through the exterior wall. And as soon as it went through the interior wall I could move. Just wierd but I would like it to happen again. The whole time I wanted it to know I could see it. The sound it made as it moved/ floated through was unreal.

Srimoking

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08-18-2010 02:26 PM  7 years agoPost 31
dumhuve

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My wife and I had some experiences in a house we rented on cape cod
MA. I was a old farm house in the back of a larger main house.
Women seem more sensitive in general to these things. I'd be outside
doing something at night looked at the house and seeing that the attic
(where we never went) lights were on. Another time which I personally
couldn't explain, I was outside and heard glass shatter like a large widow was broken and heard my wife scream telling "them" to leave.
No glass broken. My wife would hear something being dragged across
the attic floor above us, hm.
I wasn't really afraid of it/them but it gave me a bit of a uneasy feeling kinda like somebody is watching you.

A local psycic came to the house and said it was a man and a woman, former servants to the main house and they were a little confused
cause the layout especially stairs had changed.
We moved back to Marin Co, CA and now were surrounded by living ghosts
lost with no purpose, they are called HIPPIES!

Sharing means: you get less.

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08-19-2010 06:52 AM  7 years agoPost 32
JasonJ

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What Spitfire was talking about is called Lucid Dreaming. It can be pretty intense, but you can learn to identify it and control it when it happens. Used to freak me out when I was young, now it's no big deal. What is really cool is having a fun dream, waking up for whatever reason, going back to sleep and getting back into the same dream or some variation of it. I haven't had it happen often, but it has happened. Every once in awhile I get night terrors and scream out in my sleep. The wife says it's pretty bad sometimes. I never remember what it was about though.

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08-19-2010 07:11 AM  7 years agoPost 33
DaytonHeliWife

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I don't really believe in the physical aspect of ghosts, but I believe in spirits, if that's what I can describe. I never see a physical figure, but I feel things around me. I lost my mom almost 10 years ago, and I can feel her presence in the house, since I moved back to the house I grew up in after my father passed away in '08.

Also, in my barn, you can feel a little bit of a "butterflies in your stomach" feeling when you enter the area, and I think it's because I live less than 400 yards off of Old Route 40, which, for some of you who aren't familiar with it, it's the Old National Road, and the settlers traveled that area on their way West, so I'm sure I'm on some kind of ancient burial ground, whether it's settlers or Indians, since I'm in the Miami Indian valley as well. I remember once as a teen, my dad came in the house from being outside in the barn working on a tractor and he said that he felt someone put their hand on his shoulder while he was bent over replacing a tire. And when I was very little, he thought he heard me laughing out there, but I was inside the house.

Strangely enough, the girl in me wanted to get the book "Charlie St. Cloud," and not see the movie, and it's about a guy who works at a Cemetery to keep his deceased brother's memory alive because he's afraid he will lose contact with him after a tragic accident and keeping a promise to never leave him. And he finds that he can speak to, and converse with, other ghosts/spirits.

Talk about perfect timing with this topic, since I just finished that book yesterday!

Citizen #211

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08-19-2010 07:33 AM  7 years agoPost 34
Spitfire1

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I think you will find that lucid dreaming and the boogie man syndrome are two quite different things.

I remember at a younger age if I were haveing a bad dream and wanted to bail out in a hurry, I would simply find the tallest building and throw myself of headfirst, breaking the old neck will get you out of some tricky situations, being chased by zombies is no fun and once they get you your going to wake up anyway , I think thats lucid dreaming.

In the case of night terrors your effectively awake and what your seeing appears to be real, no dream.

EDIT: Sorry DaytonHeliWife, was typeing at the same time.

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08-19-2010 11:46 PM  7 years agoPost 35
Gearhead

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""I never see a physical figure, but I feel things around me. I lost my mom almost 10 years ago, and I can feel her presence in the house""

well there is a theory that Energy can not be destroyed, it just turns into another form (Google it), and there is Energy in our bodies, so the question is were does the Energy in your Body go when you die, so maybe your Mother is with you..
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my friends X-Wife believes in Leprechauns !!, in fact she took a 4ft by 4ft piece of wood and painted a Sign that read "think of others, keep the Woods clean for the Little People",,
my friend found the Sign up in the Woods on the side of the road where he and his Wife used to walk, he recognized the wood the Sign was painted on and it was this Sign that helped him win custody of his Daughter in his divorse,,

the moral to the story; Leprechauns are not always luck for the ones that believe in them LOL LOL LOL LOL

Jim
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