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08-10-2010 02:23 AM  7 years agoPost 21
Scott1115

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That sucks, cant believe how fast the fire erupted.

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08-10-2010 03:06 AM  7 years agoPost 22
Brokenlink

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Was it a Lakota that crashed?
No,it was a U.S made H500

Jamie Griffith

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08-10-2010 03:22 AM  7 years agoPost 23
brandov2

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It was a hughes 500C aka 369C.. Even though its a helicopter in certain positions they will and do stop flying.. He had cyclic control was just a pilot induced accident.. To bad feel for his family, but when helicopters are pushed to the edge stuff like this happens.

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08-10-2010 03:40 AM  7 years agoPost 24
rudyy

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Too bad .. the pilot should have flown three mistakes high and he would be ok.

RIP.

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08-10-2010 07:01 AM  7 years agoPost 25
jgunpilot

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It was a Mcdonnell-Douglas 500, he started with amazingly low airspeed, the the max G load you can pull in a full scale helicopter is about 3 so he didn't black out, and God only know why he hesitated in his downline and didn't pull aft cyclic.

What he was doing was basically suicidal, and he had the predictable result.

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08-10-2010 01:28 PM  7 years agoPost 26
hootowl

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A response from a friend of mine...

"Gruesome. That blazing fire in the cockpit demonstrates one thing I've never liked about small helicopters: the people, the fuel tank and the engine are all stuffed inside the the same structural shell. I've heard of choppers crashing into the water and, even with no post-crash fire, the passengers die from drowning... in Jet A."

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08-10-2010 02:14 PM  7 years agoPost 27
bcopters500

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It seems to be a trend with stunt aircraft NOT PULLING OUT at the bottom while doing loops. There are at least a dozen on the Web documented airplanes and choppers, It must be a human thing. But I have never seen the 500 take a big one then EXPLODE. They have even crashed, broken the keel, spread the legs and taken off again in a notar just for ****s a grins to see if it could still fly but wow. Wear your nomex, a helmet is optional!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQFz...6EDF5&index=142
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiEf...2E1AC44&index=0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYJz...feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rflF...feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUVw...feature=related

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08-11-2010 05:06 PM  7 years agoPost 28
wingtip

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There are at least a dozen on the Web documented airplanes and choppers, It must be a human thing.
A lot of it has to do with trying to do those stunts on a helicopter (or plane) that hasnt been modified to do it... someone was close when they mentioned control stall... if you watch any of the redbull bo105 helicopter vids on youtube there is one particular that is a great in cockpit vid with no crappy music thank god and you can hear all the hydraulics just strain under the extreme moves...

One could guesstimate (im no expert) but maybe once inverted the "normally upright" hydraulic resevoir pickup tube (in a non modified bird) sucked air when inverted and took to long to get primed again to give him control again....

so im guessing it was a loss of hydraulic pressure to the controls.

again, the ones doing the aerobatics time and time again safely, are modified in lots of ways.....

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08-11-2010 05:40 PM  7 years agoPost 29
PC12DRVR

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It must be a human thing.
A large percentage of aviation accidents are pilot error, I'm no licensed heli mechanic but it looked the way the pitch jerked on the back side of the loop there may have been a flight control malfunction, and I don't know if there is hydraulics on that thing, but if you dont keep a positive G load on some airplanes that are not equipped with inverted oil systems , you'll have a problem.

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08-11-2010 06:32 PM  7 years agoPost 30
Aaron29

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That's why I want to believe it wasn't what he was doing on the sticks. I just don't see how you could point the nose at the ground and leave it buried there that long. Not at any level of ability.

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08-11-2010 06:37 PM  7 years agoPost 31
chopper_crazy

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so much for flying three mistakes high...

It's a complex, costly, glow powered anti-gravity machine!

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08-11-2010 06:39 PM  7 years agoPost 32
PC12DRVR

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yeah he started that really low

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08-11-2010 06:46 PM  7 years agoPost 33
GyroFreak

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Doing stunts in a helicopter is just plain insane. They need special modifications to take the reverse G and extreme loading that comes with stunts. Red Bull helicopters are modified and even have special main blades for stunting.
It's very unfortunate for this pilot and especially for his family and friends. It's just not worth it.
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Even a simple data recorder like EagleTree (enclosed in a fire proof box) may have told us why that happened.

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08-11-2010 07:58 PM  7 years agoPost 34
human213

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the multiple errors
in judgement here are obvious...

I think we will see much more careful flying when mr. redbull
soon does the first full size sustained inverted hover.

Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted.

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08-11-2010 08:19 PM  7 years agoPost 35
PC12DRVR

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I think we will see much more careful flying when mr. redbull
soon does the first full size sustained inverted hover.
Is that really in the works ?

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08-11-2010 08:49 PM  7 years agoPost 36
brandov2

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That was 100% pilot error.. He had cyclic control the whole time.. As far as no one would make a mistake like that . Human error or pilot error in this case, happens . A 500 c model was not designed for acro or the bo105 for that matter.. People do it and get away with it ok , but still not made for it. Chuck aarons 105 is a experimental Bo 105 that is designed for it , but still wont be as unlimited as say a edge 540 airplane..
Plain and simple push a machine beyond its limits day after day, as well as a pilot beyond his limits, it will bite ya ..

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08-11-2010 08:54 PM  7 years agoPost 37
Aaron29

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He had cyclic control the whole time..
How do you know this?

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08-12-2010 12:07 AM  7 years agoPost 38
brandov2

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Well, because he would not be able to flare like he did..If you notice, he leveled it towards the bottom..If he had no cyclic that would not have happened..

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08-12-2010 12:14 AM  7 years agoPost 39
tadawson

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That still does not preclude the chance that he lost all cyclic going "over the top" and that it just came back way to late to complete the pullout . . .

- Tim

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08-12-2010 12:15 AM  7 years agoPost 40
Jason Lewis

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Tragic accident, hate to see this.
But as I like to say, if you are going to do something stupid and kill yourself, fine. Just do not take anyone with you!

Some info. The 500 does NOT have a hydraulic system, but it does have an electric trim system that can have a runaway, simple to deal with, just pull the breaker, not so simple if you are doing a low level loop.

That said, no own KNOWS what happened, it is all just speculation, some of it by people who do not have enough info or the background to even guess at the cause. They may never know exactly what happened as the machine burned after the crash, making the investigation difficult.

Stay safe, Jason

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