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08-09-2010 02:57 PM  7 years agoPost 1
SlabBro

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What is it called when you are in a hover and you flip to inverted to one side, and then finish with another half sideways flip back to upright? Anyways, I have only been FFF for 3 weeks or so now and did my first scallop flips yesterday!!!!! One of them ended with the heli nose in and going back wards, thank you sim!!!

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08-09-2010 03:31 PM  7 years agoPost 2
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Kinda looks like doing a McD's golden arches move from a hover and ending in a hover.

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08-09-2010 03:34 PM  7 years agoPost 3
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Aileron flip or roll ?? If in FF barrel roll ??

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08-09-2010 03:57 PM  7 years agoPost 4
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I would have to agree with aileron flip then since I was doing it from a hover.

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08-09-2010 05:03 PM  7 years agoPost 5
Jeff polisena

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Flip is stopping inverted and roll is continuous stopping riteside up .

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08-09-2010 05:10 PM  7 years agoPost 6
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Flip is stopping inverted and roll is continuous stopping riteside up .
By that definition then why would a piroflip be called a piroflip?

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08-09-2010 05:38 PM  7 years agoPost 7
Jeff polisena

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Because a piro flip is stopping inverted while piroetting then flipping again and stopping rite side up while piroetting

And doing it continuous is a kaos .
Aileron flip , elevator flip , aileron roll , elevator roll

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08-09-2010 05:44 PM  7 years agoPost 8
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I've always considered a flip to be elevator and a roll to be aileron. Either of which can be a half or full.

You do a "rolling circle." Always involves aileron. If you want to do a tumbling circuit or use elevator to flip around the circuit, it's not a rolling circle anymore.

You can also do a piroflip. And until today in 6 years flying helis I've never heard that a piroflip only gets you to upside down. I can't really agree with your definition, because it implies a piroroll would just be 2 piroflips, but I've always understood a piroroll to be when the direction of tumble is perpendicular to the flight path.

And a chaos is not continuous flips. A chaos is where the axis of the flip changes each time the flip is done. You might tumble away from you the first time, then to your right, then toward you, then to the left.

In 6 years of flying helis I have never heard of an "elevator roll." I have heard of an elevator flip.

How about the traveling flip? I've always understood it ending up with the heli upright?

Here are things as I understand it...

If someone tells me to do a half flip, the heli is going to end up inverted, not knife edge, and I'm going to use elevator to do it.

If someone tells me to do a half roll, the heli is going to end up inverted, and I'm going to use aileron to do it.

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08-09-2010 05:54 PM  7 years agoPost 9
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And doing it continuous is a kaos .
Continually piroflipping is not a Kaos.

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08-09-2010 05:57 PM  7 years agoPost 10
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Continually piroflipping is not a Kaos.
+1
A chaos is not continuous flips. A chaos is where the axis of the flip changes each time the flip is done. You might tumble away from you the first time, then to your right, then toward you, then to the left.
i.e. a kaos is MUCH harder than continuously piroflipping.

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08-09-2010 06:00 PM  7 years agoPost 11
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A chaos is not continuous flips. A chaos is where the axis of the flip changes each time the flip is done. You might tumble away from you the first time, then to your right, then toward you, then to the left.
Very good explanation of the Koas. Theres a video of Kyle Stacy doing one recently. Let me find it on youtube and I'll post it.

EDIT: Here's the video, go to 3:10.

Watch at YouTube

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08-09-2010 06:21 PM  7 years agoPost 12
Kevin Dalrymple

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And a chaos is not continuous flips. A chaos is where the axis of the flip changes each time the flip is done. You might tumble away from you the first time, then to your right, then toward you, then to the left.
That is what Curtis said and he invented the move. I have not seen to many people who can do this as it is really hard to do and get the timing right.

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08-09-2010 06:21 PM  7 years agoPost 13
Jeff polisena

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Ok guys now it's about correcting terminology this it to help op not debate about the same crap that has been discussed over and over again .

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08-09-2010 06:23 PM  7 years agoPost 14
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If we don't all agree on the terminology we can't help anyone.

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08-09-2010 06:23 PM  7 years agoPost 15
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And your definition makes things HARDER to describe, not easier.

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08-09-2010 06:28 PM  7 years agoPost 16
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Your rite as always and as far as piro flip it does get you inverted if you start blades up but figured you guys would understand the rest as if you piroflip again you would be blades up again. I will try to be more specific next time

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08-09-2010 06:30 PM  7 years agoPost 17
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Dude I'm not trying to be a jerk, I'm trying to ensure we all have the same understanding of definitions.

The "Roll = Flip x 2" definition clouds the issue and clouds many existing maneuver definitions.

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08-09-2010 06:36 PM  7 years agoPost 18
Jeff polisena

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I said I agree , I just didn't get that deep thinking it would help some . It is explained correctly now and easier to understand . I know how to fly and setup just not explin how I do it

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08-09-2010 06:38 PM  7 years agoPost 19
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I figured it might help because after the first 5 posts in this thread I still don't know what the OP's maneuver was.

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08-09-2010 06:47 PM  7 years agoPost 20
Jeff polisena

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Sounds like aileron roll with bad timming ???

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