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08-10-2010 03:30 PM  7 years agoPost 181
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What ever pills your taking mate, best keep the lid on!

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08-10-2010 07:49 PM  7 years agoPost 182
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Now who's resorting to a personal attack? Lol! It's all good Mr. E-wood. Ultimately, this hobby is little more than a semi-organized distraction for me anyway. Sometimes the banter is more entertaining. If it's time to make nice, I can do that too. I really was joking (hence the smiley faces). No hard feelings.

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08-10-2010 08:39 PM  7 years agoPost 183
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Terrabit your lucky this isn't Heli Freak or you would be banned for talking back to skint all mighty ! JK

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08-12-2010 11:49 PM  7 years agoPost 184
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02-16-2014 02:30 AM  4 years agoPost 185
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I won't try to comment on the nuances of charging an extra price for software that opens up all the features of the hardware. Of course it makes sense to the strictly business aspect of the thing. I think it does anyhow.

I can only say that for reasons I just can't articulate just now, that the idea of making me pay and extra $30 or $50 or whatever it is in order to get the "Pro" version of the operating software/interface just makes me see red.

I remember the first time I saw the posts of guys saying that they strongly recommend getting the "Pro" software. It just sucks really. So here you have spent a good deal of money for the "Best" flybarless controller on the market. You receive it in the mail, get it all hooked up, and then you find that UNLESS you shell out some extra cash, you're not going to have near the wonderful experience of being able to use all the good things built into the piece of hardware sitting right there in your face unless you come up with the funds.

I mean really. What the hell is the point of buying arguably the best system on the market if the interface they provide will not give you what the hardware is capable of?

It would be like buying a brand new $100,000 Porsche, getting on a snowy mountain road, and then finding out by slipping and sliding all over the place that unless you give your credit card number and download the "Inclement Weather Stability Package" you should probably pull over until the weather gets better.

Does that make any sense or am I just being a Jack-Ass? Wait, don't answe........

Why is this taking so long?

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02-16-2014 02:56 AM  4 years agoPost 186
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You know it's hard to see why all the speculation as to which is superb in every situation. There's simply no way that anyone barring a computer controlled robot could possibly repeat moves in exactly the same way. One day your reflexes and motor movements are faster than another. Another day your brain synapses fire slightly skewed from the day before.

In other words, it's all just speculation and very subjective opinion as to which is best. For example, there are many that still say a flybarred heli is in every way superior to a flybarless.

Of course there's nothing wrong with comparison. And, "Mine is better than yours" can be fun at times also. But my God, a lot of this, "Your system doing inverted standing on one foot while holding your breath with a lemon balanced on your head" is just so much Rooster Crowing.

Now, if you want to say that one is not affected by vibration and the other is, and these are bona fide statements, then now you're talking apples and apples. If you want to say mine wins as many contests as yours but costs half as much, well, then you've got another.

Jeez! Lighten up a little. You know what I wish? I wish there was nearly as much thought and energy put into questions like, "Why do I have to get my answers on what will work with 3GX from posts like Heliaddict and runryder instead of ALIGN?

And, why do have to re-machine the 450 dfc head parts to keep them from binding when I tighten the screws? And last for now, "Why are the holes in the DFC links too small to thread the DFC threaded "rods" into and why did I have to purchase another set and open up the holes in order to get them to thread without stripping?

How 'bout we all team up and make an attempt to get these manufacturers not only to back their stuff but to make parts that work in the first place? I have yet to actually buy any clone parts, but I'm beginning to wonder if the guys that do are just plain smarter than I am. I mean, look how much cheaper the cloned stuff is. If the quality is the same or better, than we're all nuts for paying premium prices just so our stuff can have a name on it. I have a bit of a bone with Align right now but, when was the last time you wrote to Align about a problem and actually received a meaningful response, or ANY response for that matter?

Why is this taking so long?

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02-16-2014 02:57 AM  4 years agoPost 187
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You resurrected a nearly 4 year old thread….The VBAR will fly no differently with express or pro. Of course for the $40 you are getting a bundle of things that nobody else on the market offers for that price.
Mikado wanted to offer a unit that was not as expensive for the people who didn't want all those features and there are a LOT of people that don't buy the pro version. By making them buy it, you are pricing a lot of potential buyers out of the unit. It is simply just another way of offering two different units without actually manufacturing and selling two different units……Ron

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02-16-2014 02:59 AM  4 years agoPost 188
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You know it's hard to see why all the speculation as to which is superb in every situation. There's simply no way that anyone barring a computer controlled robot could possibly repeat moves in exactly the same way. One day your reflexes and motor movements are faster than another. Another day your brain synapses fire slightly skewed from the day before.
In other words, it's all just speculation and very subjective opinion as to which is best. For example, there are many that still say a flybarred heli is in every way superior to a flybarless.
Of course there's nothing wrong with comparison. And, "Mine is better than yours" can be fun at times also. But my God, a lot of this, "Your system doing inverted standing on one foot while holding your breath with a lemon balanced on your head" is just so much Rooster Crowing.
Now, if you want to say that one is not affected by vibration and the other is, and these are bona fide statements, then now you're talking apples and apples. If you want to say mine wins as many contests as yours but costs half as much, well, then you've got another.
Jeez! Lighten up a little. You know what I wish? I wish there was nearly as much thought and energy put into questions like, "Why do I have to get my answers on what will work with 3GX from posts like Heliaddict and runryder instead of ALIGN?
And, why do have to re-machine the 450 dfc head parts to keep them from binding when I tighten the screws? And last for now, "Why are the holes in the DFC links too small to thread the DFC threaded "rods" into and why did I have to purchase another set and open up the holes in order to get them to thread without stripping?
How 'bout we all team up and make an attempt to get these manufacturers not only to back their stuff but to make parts that work in the first place? I have yet to actually buy any clone parts, but I'm beginning to wonder if the guys that do are just plain smarter than I am. I mean, look how much cheaper the cloned stuff is. If the quality is the same or better, than we're all nuts for paying premium prices just so our stuff can have a name on it. I have a bit of a bone with Align right now but, when was the last time you wrote to Align about a problem and actually received a meaningful response, or ANY response for that matter?
????

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02-16-2014 06:02 AM  4 years agoPost 189
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Just an observation/question. I think the V bar at what I just looked up at 450 dollars (don't get all weird I just googled "How much for Mikado V bar and this is what came back)O.K. even if 300 dollars, I doubt that 30 or 40 bucks when you're looking at spending 3 to 5 hundred dollars is actually going to price ANYONE out of the market. Especially considering that if you're buying a Vbar you've probably bought a fairly decent heli to boot at several hundred to a couple three thousand dollars. So pardon me if I scoff (SSSSCCCCCOOOOOFFFFF) at the idea that 40 bucks will price anyone out of the market.

Now, If Vbar will do everything without the pro software, why would anyone want it? Look I'm just going by what I read in the posts.

Now as far as resurrecting a four year old post. Sorry I'm confused about this old post stuff. Really, I'm not saying there's not some logic to "Warning" people that they're about to "Bring and old topic back up to the top" as it were.

The logic is just not obvious to me. I mean, I go to google, I punch up, how many failures reported with Skookum720 black and Self Leveling due to vibration. Now, the Skookum 720 is not four years old. In fact, the gps option is barely out. Anyhow, the post I replied to came up with the aforementioned query to google. So, if a problem arises from replying to a post older than what? One year? Maybe there should be a way to that older posts aren't searchable????

Hell I don't know. Really, who cares if I reply to something old. It sure got you going. By the way, do you work for someone Aligned with Mikado? Just asken'.

Now one more comment regarding the poor folks among us that CAN afford one to three thousand on a RC Heli including 3 to 5 Benjamins on a Vbar yet find themselves unable to feed their children if they pop for the Pro software. How about since NOT having the pro software doesn't lose any of Vbar's functionality, and having it doesn't seem to really gain you anything, then how about Vbar just throws it in with the package?

I'm sorry, I'm sitting here scoffing again. I've just never seen anyone that could afford several hundred or even a couple thousand dollars on a RC Heli that would feel "Priced out" over 30 to 40 dollars. Sorry, haven' a hard time swallowing that one. You sure you don't work for a reseller or the like?

Just asken'.

Why is this taking so long?

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02-16-2014 06:02 AM  4 years agoPost 190
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1st of all, pro can fly the same as express of course but the express cannot fly the same as the pro, obviously.

As for it making sense, it really does. You are not just buying hardware, you are also buying software. It is a shame though that you were not made aware of the pro features and added expense at the time of your purchase.

And BTW, Skookum also has different software levels available, clearly described here.
http://www.skookumrobotics.com/products/sk540clear/
That's on the SK540's. The SK720 is a high end unit and doesn't have a cheapened up version but does have add on hardware (GPS) available.

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02-16-2014 02:02 PM  4 years agoPost 191
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Whendoigetitgood,

You replied to a thread complaining about the $40 charge. Many people over the years complained that the VBAR was too expensive. Mikado fixed that by offering a unit that is a true VBAR for the price of what used to be a Spartan tail gyro alone, with the ability to add all the other extra stuff that some don't need for a small fee.
It is simply a way of accommodating everyone.
As for replying to an old thread, I was saying if you had read it before you posted you would have found your answer

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