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HelicopterRadio - Servo - Gyro - Gov - Batt › Gyros getting ridiculous.
06-06-2010 10:02 PM  7 years agoPost 81
Havoc

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Watch at YouTube

Who videos the TV set? But anyway, a point is in there somewhere.

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06-06-2010 10:07 PM  7 years agoPost 82
Gearhead

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Ray, your not THAT old !!

I too don't want or need a LCD on my Gyro or Governor, it's just not needed on the Heli when the Heli is in the air, this is why I love my Multgov (s), Gyro Manufactures can learn from Aerospire

Jim
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06-06-2010 10:09 PM  7 years agoPost 83
Aaron29

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I don't know maybe rstacy's cellphone idea is the best.

But I'm partial to a removable LCD screen and make it the user's choice.

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06-06-2010 10:17 PM  7 years agoPost 84
holzback

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im not trying, you are doing it for me. why in the world would anyone say setting up a 770 is fine, but would not mess with a 520 because it has lights? the 770 is harder to set up properly.

you aint crashin you aint learnin

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06-06-2010 10:22 PM  7 years agoPost 85
Aaron29

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im not trying, you are doing it for me
Uh OK. So I'm discredited then. Nothing I've said holds merit and I should use blinky lights exclusively. I should also eat vanilla.

You got me game set match there bro.

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06-06-2010 10:39 PM  7 years agoPost 86
leejax01

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Plug in Interfaces

Would be OK if you could plug up an interface to a say the tail servo plug and see what's going on or use a Y harness if it still needs to be plugged in. That way the gyros can get as compact as they would like, but still be able to do field adjustments.

Perfect practice makes perfect

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06-06-2010 10:46 PM  7 years agoPost 87
tadawson

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Which one survived? Seen a C prompt lately? Only if your computer crashed real hard!
Actually quite regularly . . . there is still a lot of stuff that a CLI can do much faster and easier than a GUI *IF* you bother to learn how . . .

Type 10 characters and <return> vs. 30 to 40 clicks to get to the right menu/item . . . I'll take the CLI, thanks . . .

But, that's off topic here, so sorry!

In actuality, the CLI is *NOT* at all a valid comparison to what we are seeing on gyros . . the CLI is pretty much what you get on any LCD screen on most products, which is what folks seem to be advocating. What we are going to is no cli, just a button and one or two light bulbs . . . far less information than a CLI will give. And frankly, as far as detail and information goes, the CLI is superior to the GUI in pretty much all ways other than ease of use and idiot-proofing . . . Once again, looking at my profession, the end users use the GUI, when things get "interesting", as a vendor, we almost always use the CLI - far more powerful!

- Tim

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06-07-2010 02:54 AM  7 years agoPost 88
Ace Dude

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The systems, yes . . . the user interfaces and workload to administer, definitely not - at least not on the good stuff (see also, Windows need not apply . . . it is in no way any indicator of what true enterprise gear can and does do . . . ). The current trend is to simplify the workload of the admin, not raise it proportionally to the complexity of the gear.
I'm not sure what you consider the good stuff, but I work with the best of the best. I'm well versed in high end enterprise tooling and technologies as well as application development tooling. They are far more complex now than they ever were.

  

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06-07-2010 03:21 AM  7 years agoPost 89
Rockohaulic

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If you can accidentally leave instructions at home, you can leave that at home and you are no better off.
Dude - get a checklist!

You can always leave your fuel at home or your glow igniter or your radio too.

Saturday morning I flew my helicopter in my pajamas
How it got in my pajamas I'll never know

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06-07-2010 03:23 AM  7 years agoPost 90
MutantGarage

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I've got my Fujitsu U-820 in the flightbox with the heli and
the USB interfaces for the Flymentor 3axis gyro and the datalogging ESC.
I also have a Virgin Mobile Broadband on demand USB radio for
when I forget a instruction manual or device driver, been very handy.

Datalogging ESCs are great, Just the thing to see how your new motor
and pinion setup is working vs the old setup.

If they could put a bluetooth interface that would be really cool IMO.
No more cables or microplugs.

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06-07-2010 03:54 AM  7 years agoPost 91
RappyTappy

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You can always leave your fuel at home or your glow igniter or your radio too.
yup, forgetting stuff to get in you in the air and then calling out the manufacture of that product is pretty much what this thread is about. LOL.

Can we blame dumb thumbs on something too? bwhaha.

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06-07-2010 04:13 AM  7 years agoPost 92
Aaron29

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Dude - get a checklist!

You can always leave your fuel at home or your glow igniter or your radio too.
Oh I hear you, but even WITH the manual I still like a nice interface better.

Like someone said, I know what I want. Overwhelmingly I'm in the minority, or many are afraid of the usual RR denigration for holding an opinion. It obviously came out today which really is why RR is losing people to the "other place." You can't have an opinion without ridicule here, especially if it involves a product.

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06-07-2010 05:54 AM  7 years agoPost 93
tadawson

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I'm not sure what you consider the good stuff, but I work with the best of the best. I'm well versed in high end enterprise tooling and technologies as well as application development tooling. They are far more complex now than they ever were.
Enterprise class stuff . . . supercomputing . . . storage that is say 75Terabytes and over, with connectivity to 100's of hosts . . . While the software is getting more complex, the main thrust lately is to *SIMPLIFY* the administrative workload due to self tuning capabilities of storage etc. No longer need you dick with 100's of parameters to optimize - you just tell it how much and to what, and the array takes care of itself. Frankly, it would appear on a lot of this stuff, that it has gotten so complex that the admin has become the weak link.

I have been doing systems in the Fortune 100 and above for years, and the stuff these days, while more complex internally, generally takes far less effort to configure and run than it used to . . . well, other than some companies that are clinging to the past . . .

- Tim

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06-07-2010 03:08 PM  7 years agoPost 94
Ace Dude

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That may be true for storage, but take a look at high end clustered application servers, clustered DB servers, ESB, SOA, Business Modeling, Business Intelligence and enterprise development tools for custom application development. The administration of these servers and tools is getting significantly more complex.

  

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06-07-2010 04:13 PM  7 years agoPost 95
Eco8gator

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The first MFG to link a Tx to link gyro system and other electronics using mfg specific menus...like apps...will OWN this market.

Your all absolutly right. We pay over 1k for a Tx and IMHO is not worth what we pay for. What we get for what I think is worth no more than maybe 400 bucks max for the high end stuff is a lot of marketing hype and pretty boxes. For 1K we should be getting some pretty high end stuff. Futaba is getting there and IMHO they are the farthest advanced in this hobby. If anyone is going to do it first it should be them...

I want everything at my finger tips with the app based architecture of the Iphone. Hell if all I did was plug in an Ipod Touch into a Tx and that was my primary interface with another processor controlling the low level stuff(like the 14Mz or 12Mz does) that would own this market.

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06-07-2010 04:14 PM  7 years agoPost 96
tadawson

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That may be true for storage, but take a look at high end clustered application servers, clustered DB servers, ESB, SOA, Business Modeling, Business Intelligence and enterprise development tools for custom application development. The administration of these servers and tools is getting significantly more complex.
Ever use First Watch, one of the early cluster solutions from Veritas? VCS has gotten a lot less intense to configure over the years, since it is distributed, and FW was not . . . MCS is still a pain, but then again, if it's Redmond, it's not enterprise grade . . just dung . .

While I have been storage centric for a while, clustering has been my forte as well, since it lays atop a good storage architecture . . .

I do agree though, that apps are getting more and more painful - the code bloat is unforgivable, and most firms have forgotten how to write quality documentation.

- Tim

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06-07-2010 05:07 PM  7 years agoPost 97
Misteryez

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Next time you need to reverse the gyro do this:
Press the button two times.
Then press the button two times in less then 2 seconds and wallllllaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Gyro reversed.

Sorry to hear your buddy lost out on 4 pressings of a button.

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06-07-2010 05:12 PM  7 years agoPost 98
Aaron29

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Ah man where were you Saturday?

Seriously though there's no way that could have been guessed at.

I just thought of another method that could work, print out a placard with the relevant flowchart, laminate it, and glue it to the inside of the canopy.

Sort of an "onboard interface."

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06-07-2010 05:31 PM  7 years agoPost 99
VooDooX

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is it being used to win the 2007 3D Masters outdated
hmm look what you said.. now let me fix it

is it being used to win the 20073D Masters outdated

YES

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06-07-2010 05:33 PM  7 years agoPost 100
Misteryez

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That would be a wise move. Maybe even a copy in field box or something like that.

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