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06-06-2010 08:46 PM  7 years agoPost 61
LonR

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Ive never used anything but the manual to set my Spartan DS760 up and never had a problem with the tail.My Spartan is easyer/faster to setup than a GY611.Ive swapped it on 3 helis now and its taking me a whole 3-4 mins to set my endpoints,piro speed ect..Not sure what the big deal is about the field programer,you don't need it.If you buddy had the manual im sure this thread wouldn't be here.This is a rant because you didn't have a manual so you didn't know how to set it up lol.A buddy needed help setting his GY601 up but didn't have a manual.Had to wait till the next day so I could make a thread here on how to program it,I didn't make a thread talking about how old and out dated it is or how it drains the battery faster than my JR 770 3D or Spartan does or how heavy they are .Have you ever held a Spartan/GY520 and a GY601/GY611 at the same time ,talk about bricks ,just messing around.

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06-06-2010 08:46 PM  7 years agoPost 62
holzback

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I don't get the comparison.

Binding: Turn on radio, turn on receiver, push button, look for green light. Done.

Setting up a gyro: Set limits, set sensing, set rate, set stop, set mode, set gain, all of which are not a simple RED vs. GREEN, they are values or descriptions and this is not even close to the simplicity of binding.
there are more steps with the 520,but you are still using lights to give you information with the 2.4 system, and based on your arugement you dont like that idea.

so really it is the amount of steps involved, well here they are, not a big deal.

1. Servo Selection
2. Gyro Compensation
3. Servo Limits
4. Flight Mode
5. Response
6. Data Reset

you aint crashin you aint learnin

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06-06-2010 08:52 PM  7 years agoPost 63
holzback

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if you used 520's and your buddy did not bring the manual you probly would be able to set it up anyway. what if you used a sparton and he brought a 611, if you did not know the gyro, you would still want the manual for set-up. the 611 abreviates words, so you would need the manual to be sure on what they mean.

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06-06-2010 08:54 PM  7 years agoPost 64
Aaron29

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This is a rant because you didn't have a manual so you didn't know how to set it up lol.
Yep.

Had it been a 401, 502, 601, 611, JR370, JR770 I could have gotten him in the air. All these gyros have either the LCD display or simple switches on the case itself that are user friendly.

The 520 could EASILY have had a similar interface but instead they opted for an annoying flashing light.
so really it is the amount of steps involved, well here they are, not a big deal.
No this is not the problem, the problem is the complexity of using a light to set things that are values. It'd be like a light on your speedometer without numbers. A light has only three states, on, off or flashing. That's three states attempting to represent something that is really more analog in nature, like gain or limit, or which mode is being changed, etc.

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06-06-2010 08:57 PM  7 years agoPost 65
tadawson

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The reality is that computing systems are far more complex today than they've ever been and they're getting more and more complex everyday.
The systems, yes . . . the user interfaces and workload to administer, definitely not - at least not on the good stuff (see also, Windows need not apply . . . it is in no way any indicator of what true enterprise gear can and does do . . . ). The current trend is to simplify the workload of the admin, not raise it proportionally to the complexity of the gear.

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06-06-2010 08:59 PM  7 years agoPost 66
holzback

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No this is not the problem, the problem is the complexity of using a light to set things that are values. It'd be like a light on your speedometer without numbers
ok then dont buy any electric helis because you gotta use beeps to set them up, which is probly to complex, not based on assumptions, but on your statements

you aint crashin you aint learnin

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06-06-2010 09:01 PM  7 years agoPost 67
holzback

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i saw a throttle jockey in your profile, what is up with that?

http://www.modelavionics.com/RevMax/default.asp

i see lights

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06-06-2010 09:02 PM  7 years agoPost 68
LonR

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^^^ come to the light LOL.

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06-06-2010 09:04 PM  7 years agoPost 69
holzback

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saw a blade 400 in profile, it uses beeps same difference

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06-06-2010 09:06 PM  7 years agoPost 70
reddragon

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Ugly shades of technology. It isn't JUST the gyro. Look around at everything these days. Years ago there were buttons all over everything and now there are few if any. Your old DVD player purchased many years ago had ALL the buttons duplicated on the remote control. I know some of us still have one or two older DVD players around the house, I do. How many buttons are left today on the DVD player? Four at the most - Play, stop, eject and power, devoid of most buttons so you MUST use the remote most of the time. Have you lost the remote recently and struggled to access the DVD player menu? I bet you have, but you can't! Also mobile phones are fast becoming touch screens alone. While you're talking on it your cheek will access the screen and end the call. When the touch screens go black for some reason or another you can't even use it. Nice touch on the industrial design end. Give us a few buttons in case of emergency so we're not ass out when we need to make a call.

To be fair this isn't just a rant from Aaron. The problem is the electronics industry as a whole as they try to simplify things to make it better for us and easier-cheaper for them to manufacture. It doesn't really get better though. We have to learn codes and languages to set things up when we once set it up by look and "feel". One button on a gyro or plugging it into a laptop doesn't make me very happy. What happens when that single button malfunctions? It's now garbage as we now have to send it back for repair. If you have no laptop to access the gyro set-up you're essentially screwed. Does everyone have free access to a laptop computer everywhere in the world? No. Some of us are so used to having "everything" at our fingertips we forget the poor souls in other countries that just want to start their helis up and go fly since they can't afford the latest and greatest equipment. You were there once! If you're in the situation where you have a new gyro and you don't remember how to program it or you lose the manual you're screwed. Don't make fun of the people who do since you have been there once. What we have lost is the intuitive sight and touch of our electronics and we're forced to do things the manufacturers way. Each time a new gyro comes out WE have to learn something new. Why? Why can't we teach them something or why can't they listen to us for a change? We sit around all day in front of PC screens and barely lift a finger to do anything which is disconnecting and isolatiing us from the real world. I'm all for making things better than they were but at least keep some of the features that you had on previous models to make the transition a little easier instead of just dropping them altogether.

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06-06-2010 09:18 PM  7 years agoPost 71
Aaron29

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i saw a throttle jockey in your profile, what is up with that?

http://www.modelavionics.com/RevMax/default.asp

i see lights
saw a blade 400 in profile, it uses beeps same difference
Oh Holzback, going through my profile in an attempt to point out "hypocrisy" in my ownership of all the flashy light items just makes my argument that much more legitimate. It means I've tried all these things, and done the flashy light thing. I don't like them.

If I'd ONLY tried LCD interface units and never placed my hands on flashy light units it'd be hard for me to justify rejecting them, now wouldn't it.

At least I've given flashy light interfaces a try before rejecting them. And the rejection is based on my experience with them, not mere opinion.

The TJ is the reason that I am switching over to GV-1's. I've had the Throttle Jockey and it was the worst interface I've ever seen as you don't even know what RPM you've set and have to get out the tachometer for every adjustment.

The CSM 10 was miles ahead of the TJ, but still had issues when it came to setting RPM as you had to do the math and then decipher more lights. It was a step in the right direction.

The GV-1, you give it the gear ratio and desired headspeed and you are done. And it's all right there on the screen.
ok then dont buy any electric helis because you gotta use beeps to set them up, which is probly to complex, not based on assumptions, but on your statements
Yes your conclusions are again based on assumptions. I've had two blade 400's and now have a Trex 450 and it is setup well and flies awesome despite the annoying interface. I'm capable of setting up a heli (with a manual, of course) and any interface you give me. It's just that some setups are fun, and some are annoying.

Nice try, but swing and a miss strike two.

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06-06-2010 09:21 PM  7 years agoPost 72
holzback

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you are not screwed without a computer, everything i use, even the 3g, is able to be used without a computer. but you are screwed without a lcd screen. what if you dont know all the abreviations on the screen, you neeed the manual, so you need one no matter what, practilly every manual though is on line.

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06-06-2010 09:27 PM  7 years agoPost 73
RappyTappy

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I'm glad their is no on board LCD screen anymore. I can't count the time how many guys crashed and their LCD screen was smashed, causing what could get them flying within the next few days to either dish out for a brand new gyro or have to wait possibly weeks for Futaba to repair it.

As far as forgetting the manual and not being able to fly, that is problem of not being prepared. I have done it too, once with my Solid G, forgot the G-View and instructions and couldn't get to reverse the tail. No biggie, I chalked it up to my fault for not being prepared, I didn't blame it on CY.

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06-06-2010 09:29 PM  7 years agoPost 74
Aaron29

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I can't count the time how many guys crashed and their LCD screen was smashed
And knowing three people with 502/601/611 I can't recount one broken LCD so you tell me what we're doing right.

Might be location of amplifier?

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06-06-2010 09:46 PM  7 years agoPost 75
rstacy

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Use your cell phone to take a picture of the 520 flow chart. Thats all that you really need any way and now assuming that you have your phone, you will have the 520 flow chart for set up at your finger tips.

Aaron knows what he wants. Thats cool. I don't want an LCD on my gyro and I don't want to take my laptop to the field. It wont get damaged. My transmitter doesn't get damaged. Neither will my laptop. I don't know what goes on at Aaron's field but I do need to check it out sometime!
My problem is that I just don't need another thing to remember. My mind is old and forgetful and it aint gettin any better!
Times change and we need to change or get lost in the dust...

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06-06-2010 09:52 PM  7 years agoPost 76
Aaron29

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Use your cell phone to take a picture of the 520 flow chart. Thats all that you really need any way and now assuming that you have your phone, you will have the 520 flow chart for set up at your finger tips.
That would work pretty well as even the worst phones now have cameras.
Times change and we need to change or get lost in the dust...
The same could be said of the manufacturers.

IBM went to the graphical user interface instead of the C prompt to adapt. They didn't expect the people to all learn and struggle with the C prompt, they adapted to the user.

The flashy light thing is the C prompt of today. The LCD screen is like Macintosh was back in the day. While Macintosh sucked for software it excelled in useability with a GUI and mouse. Everyone ended up going to the GUI and mouse. DOS prompts are now nostalgia for the mainstream.

Everyone poo poo'ed the Macintosh and its graphical user interface and the mouse.

Which one survived? Seen a C prompt lately? Only if your computer crashed real hard!

From my perspective, is like owning a Mac and an IBM back in the day and saying I want the mac interface on the IBM, too. And then having a bunch of people tell me how I'm wrong for wanting that and that the C prompt is the way of the world.

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06-06-2010 09:56 PM  7 years agoPost 77
rstacy

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Everyone poo poo'ed the Macintosh and its graphical user interface and the mouse.

Which one survived? Seen a C prompt lately? Only if your computer crashed real hard!
I still poo poo the Mac but thats just me.
You can thank Xerox for the graphical user interface and the mouse.
The flashy light thing is the C prompt of today. The LCD screen is like Macintosh was back in the day.
Actually the flashy thing is a result of technology and still needing some sort of visual reference. I wonder what tomorrow will bring...

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06-06-2010 09:57 PM  7 years agoPost 78
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Yes Xerox came out with the mouse first but the mouse wasn't popular until the Mac.

But this isn't about what came first, it's about the fact that the interface adapted to the user.

Not the other way around.

IBM adapted instead of everyone else figuring out how to drive DOS.
Actually the flashy thing is a result of technology and still needing some sort of visual reference. I wonder what tomorrow will bring...
Why should I wait for a manufacturer to get off their duff and do this? Futaba has been doing a good visual reference for years. It's simply a choice or cost saving measure.

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06-06-2010 09:59 PM  7 years agoPost 79
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you dont like that style but you bought multiples, dont make sence.

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06-06-2010 10:01 PM  7 years agoPost 80
Aaron29

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you dont like that style but you bought multiples, dont make sence.
Neither do your repeated attempts to discredit me based on past purchases.

I've owned blinky light interfaces! So what!

Does anyone expect, that after trying different types of interfaces, if I came to the decision that I did not like blinking light style interfaces, that I should entertain someone coming along telling me I should?!

I think I'd already know I don't like them.

If I tried vanilla ice cream a bunch of times and then conclude I like chocolate ice cream better, am I wrong? According to you my taste means nothing despite having tried that flavor.

I can do this all day. You are the one not making sense, man. You like it, you buy it. I don't. It's that simple.

Eat vanilla, I'll eat chocolate.

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