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06-06-2010 05:12 PM  7 years agoPost 41
holzback

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in your mind you think that using a lap top is a pain, well you adjust to it, and it is like things were before. plus most companies give you up dated programs to download. the 611 is a great gyro, but why do you think there was such a dramatic change to the 520? the 520 is straight to the point, some of the opptions for the 611 can be confusing, and you may tinker with it for awhile.the 520 with just the basic set up, will still out preform the 611.what will you do with the 611 if the screen busts, i like having my screen with me in a book form.

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06-06-2010 05:13 PM  7 years agoPost 42
Wave

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What if it could be a one piece unit with a small LCD screen atop the gyro?

We're talking the size of a watch, here.
A small lcd will only offer a few characters. It would require abbreviations that may also be confusing ( need manual ), while needlessly complicating the design as well as adding cost.

Like I said Futaba does realize that there is a market for both, hence the redesign of the 611.

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06-06-2010 05:17 PM  7 years agoPost 43
Aaron29

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in your mind you think that using a lap top is a pain
It is a pain. You have to lug it to the field, find a good place where it won't get beat up. And then it's in an environment of heat/cold/kids/slimy hands/nitro exhaust/dogs/BBQ food/noise/propellers, etc.

I am not taking my laptop to the field. I don't care if you adjust to it. Prisoners probably "adjust to" prison sex.
the 520 with just the basic set up, will still out preform it.
Yes but as I have already said, none of this performance has anything to do with the interface. You are changing the subject.

Futaba could have designed the 520 with a nice interface and it would perform the same.

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06-06-2010 05:19 PM  7 years agoPost 44
Aaron29

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the 520 with just the basic set up, will still out preform it.
It didn't for that guy yesterday!

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06-06-2010 05:20 PM  7 years agoPost 45
hootowl

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I keep cheat sheets and the small manuals in my flight box at all times. No issues.

A good place for cheat sheets in in your radio case. You can't fly without it.

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06-06-2010 05:24 PM  7 years agoPost 46
Wave

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It didn't for that guy yesterday!
He will be very pleased with his purchase once he gets it set up.

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06-06-2010 06:11 PM  7 years agoPost 47
holzback

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It is a pain. You have to lug it to the field, find a good place where it won't get beat up. And then it's in an environment of heat/cold/kids/slimy hands/nitro exhaust/dogs/BBQ food/noise/propellers, etc.
we are talking 2-3 time until you get it set up how you want, you act like everytime you fly you gotta have a lap top. im sure you did not want to mess with binding 2.4 either.

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06-06-2010 06:23 PM  7 years agoPost 48
Aaron29

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im sure you did not want to mess with binding 2.4 either.
No, I was perfectly happy with switching over to 2.4 and everything that meant.

If you are sure I didn't want to mess with binding you might need to check other things you are sure of because you are jumping to conclusions.

No, I was perfectly happy with switching over to 2.4.

That comment of yours had nothing to do with the argument. I assume you did it because you are trying to discredit my opinion by painting me as some old codger who doesn't like new technology. Nothing could be further from the truth. I already posted about that, too. The technology is the REASON these interfaces should be better.

Swing and a miss. Tell me what else you know about me.

There's a big difference between not accepting what 2.4 requires and not wanting to lug a laptop to the field.

The day you need that laptop is the day it isn't going to be there. Yes I want to be able to tweak it when I want to. Darn me and my pickiness.

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06-06-2010 06:36 PM  7 years agoPost 49
LaurenceGough

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I like having the least weight on my helis as possible. Less weight = better power to weight ratio!

Why do you need a LCD screen constantly on your heli when you set a gyro up once and forget!!

It's like V-Bar everyone complains about having to take a laptop to the field, fact is after the first few flights you never need to plug it in again. And taking a laptop to the field for the first time, or first few times is no problem anyway! Just get a laptop bag.

And when you do have to use the laptop for the initial fine tuning at the field you're talking a few minutes of use then you put it back safely away...

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06-06-2010 06:37 PM  7 years agoPost 50
Aaron29

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The same reason technology is driving awesome laptops is why it ought to be a cinch to get awesome interfaces on gyros. If LCD screens are expensive we need to be asking why because I bought a calculator the other day for 2 dollars. The programming is what is expensive.

And if it isn't an LCD screen than maybe an interface that is intuitive. Just not flashing lights.

The Align 750, with a little more thoughtfullness, is almost an acceptable "light show." Still wanting, though.

Again this is about an interface that is user friendly and if you guys are getting wrapped around the axle on the LCD bit, then look beyond it. I don't care if the thing speaks or has an LCD or transmits a signal to my radio or jams a giant rod into my cortex Matrix-style, so long as it makes sense and is intuitive.

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06-06-2010 06:41 PM  7 years agoPost 51
tadawson

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A small lcd will only offer a few characters.
Apparently you haven't seem many *GOOD* small LCD displays. You can get as much, if not more, information that on a G-View of other typical gyro programming screen on things watch size or smaller, with no problems at all, and even with color these days.
in your mind you think that using a lap top is a pain, well you adjust to it, and it is like things were before. plus most companies give you up dated programs to download.
Not only is it a screaming pain, but it also forces you to perhaps own a laptop with an operating system that you would rather hump a beehive than run . . . notice the complete lack of support for things like MacOS or Linux on this stuff? They force you to run the Virus Magnet from Redmond . . . sorry, no thanks . . . not gonna waste an entire computer just to overcome a mfgs. laziness.

Also, please note that just about everything on the planet *BUT* RC equipment gives you the ability to upgrade it's firmware, IE add new features, simplify, etc. For that, I *would* be willing to use a laptop, but at home on the bench. No reason for them to not support in field upgradability other than wanting to dead end your old gear prematurely so that you will buy the newer stuff before it would other wise be needed.

And Drioid or GayPhone? Sorry, another miss . . . I refuse to be pushed into a crappy carrier just to get a device, or suffer the fragility and crap battery life of these devices just to program a gyro . . . My phone is small, long lived, and on the carrier of *MY* choice . . . . When the cellphone industry also understands true hardware portability, then maybe, but still, those devices offer me nothing that I am interested, and on the other had, higher bills, lower battery life, and fragility that I am not interested in . . .

I work with incredibly complex computer systems, interfaces, etc. as a profession . . . . and the trend there is to attempt to simplify, not to add more complexity and obfuscation. The RC industry has chosen to pay way too much attention to a few wankers that are obsessed with nothing but weight, and ignore the rest of us who just want easy to use stuff that works . . . .

My $.02 . . . .

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06-06-2010 06:50 PM  7 years agoPost 52
Aaron29

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Also, please note that just about everything on the planet *BUT* RC equipment gives you the ability to upgrade it's firmware,
This is by design. Why else would you ever buy the latest and greatest if the old one could be made just as good using an update?

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06-06-2010 07:02 PM  7 years agoPost 53
QuantumPSI

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Well being of the "gadget" generation, I would love my phone to be able to handle all this stuff. Hell I used my G1 to learn to read Japanese characters and increase my vocabulary. The more these devices advance, the less I carry. I find myself with my phone, PSP, laptop, camera, pretty often. One device to handle it all would be nice. Still at the field, my phone to handle the programming of ALL my machines? Oh yeah, I'd HAPPILY sign up for that.

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06-06-2010 07:09 PM  7 years agoPost 54
Aaron29

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Maybe we could get the best of both worlds.

Make a removable LCD interface that can also be mounted on the heli if you desired. The LCD interfaces I've seen have all been wrongly shaped and sized for this purpose. Nor did they appear to be as crashworthy.

It would have to be nice and compact and yet crashworthy. I'm thinking like a G-Shock watch.

Then you could appease the keep it easy vs. keep it small crowds. The guys who don't want the LCD flying around could remove it. Guys like me could hard mount it somewhere on the heli.

Just a thought.

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06-06-2010 07:26 PM  7 years agoPost 55
Ace Dude

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I work with incredibly complex computer systems, interfaces, etc. as a profession . . . . and the trend there is to attempt to simplify, not to add more complexity and obfuscation.
The reality is that computing systems are far more complex today than they've ever been and they're getting more and more complex everyday.

However, the difference with computing is that there are standards and vendors must integrate with other vendor's products in order to survive in the marketplace. In RC there is no standardization because none of the vendors want to standardize. Just look at the balance tap disaster....

  

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06-06-2010 08:13 PM  7 years agoPost 56
holzback

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assumptions,
you dont like using a manual to set up a gyro using lights. i think that is how you bind a 2.4 system, lights and a manual. what about when you land and you have a flashing light on the rx or the external rx. you dont like lights and a manual for a gyro, but you use them for your radio system. it is not much more complicated for the 520.

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06-06-2010 08:27 PM  7 years agoPost 57
Aaron29

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I don't get the comparison.

Binding: Turn on radio, turn on receiver, push button, look for green light. Done.

Setting up a gyro: Set limits, set sensing, set rate, set stop, set mode, set gain, all of which are not a simple RED vs. GREEN, they are values or descriptions and this is not even close to the simplicity of binding.

Some are even interrelated such as limits, rate, stop, gain all have to be adjusted according to one another.

Setting up a gyro is too complex to make good sense out of it with a blinking light.

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06-06-2010 08:31 PM  7 years agoPost 58
AWittleWabbit

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Too bad the (non proprietary) interface couldn't be on the x'mitter......

Heli-itis sufferer.

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06-06-2010 08:32 PM  7 years agoPost 59
misfits0311

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I am not taking my laptop to the field. I don't care if you adjust to it. Prisoners probably "adjust to" prison sex.
Now that's funny right there.

I wouldn't mind lugging this to the field:

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06-06-2010 08:36 PM  7 years agoPost 60
Aaron29

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Too bad the (non proprietary) interface couldn't be on the x'mitter......
The gyro would have to transmit this information to the transmitter.

While doable, would be much more complicated than the LCD screen and probably weigh more.

Plus there's your mention of non-proprietary, which the manufacturers will resist.

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