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06-06-2010 03:33 PM  7 years agoPost 21
Wave

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Aaron29, It sounds like you are saying that you want the manufacturers to intentionally over design, and over complicate there products.

Technology for the sake of technology. Maybe these products should have built in speakers so they can talk anyone through the setup regardless if they have read the manual or not.

I for one believe in the keep it simple philosophy. Owners manuals are provided for a very good reason. Your buddy should have shown up at the field with his manual given the fact that he has no experience with gyro setup.

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06-06-2010 03:46 PM  7 years agoPost 22
Zaneman007

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I agree that you shouldn't need a computer to tweak on your gyro or other electronics at the field.

On the other hand..........

Take the spartan DS760 for example, you can set it up through the radio, and that works for me. The stuff on the computer [not accessibly through the radio] is mostly for advanced users.

Computers only.....

Yea, that's a good point. I've seen guys at the field with laptops to set up flybarless systems. That is a little intense for me.

But, is the hobby going that way? I have the mulitgov. I carry the screen in my radio box, always. And, I am good with that.

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06-06-2010 04:13 PM  7 years agoPost 23
Aaron29

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you can't buy just the controller/sensor' and then you're in for a $300 unit.
This is not a reason to jettison the whole idea. The manufacturer just needs to be convinced to sell a sensor or a screen separately.

Besides, I've crashed my heli three times with the 611 on it. One was a total rekit. The 611 survived every crash. It isn't as though it's made of eggshells.
I for one believe in the keep it simple philosophy. Owners manuals are provided for a very good reason.
Dude do you have a 611? You can set it like setting a new watch. It is easy to figure out even without instructions. The only reason you'd need instructions would be if it were your first gyro. Keeping it simple is exactly what the 611 does.
Aaron29, It sounds like you are saying that you want the manufacturers to intentionally over design, and over complicate there products.
You're right, I do. Cars now have power windows, auto-trannies, power brakes, on board range readout, gas mileage, tire monitors, one touch auto-up windows.

You can get by with none of these intentional over designs.

But they sure are nice.

I believe today's overdesign becomes tomorrow's expectation. So yes, I want them to do the work to make a more user friendly product.

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06-06-2010 04:22 PM  7 years agoPost 24
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A lot of people here have made excellent points and I'm going to say that we all have our preferences. I like the idea of a portable LCD interface. Although my gov is setup on my machines, I still bring the multigov LCD with me. It would be nice if there was a "universal" external screen that could be used with all of these programmable devices, but I don't see that happening at all. I'm with Aaron though, a laptop is not something I want to bring to field with me. It would be great if manufacturers could make these items adjustable by our phones. I know this would be difficult cause we all use different phones. However, something for the iPhone, Droid, and Windows platformed phones would be excellent (my preference going to droid and iphone). I'm getting ready to step into the realm where a decent number of electronics will need to be programmed either by computer or "light show". I'll be honest with you, I am NOT looking forward to it. Maybe one of those PDA systems would work (rather than a full fledged computer). Seriously though, I'd like to see setup programs for the iPhone and/or the Droid Evo (even though I don't have either, I'd definitely get one if I could program my ESC, vbar, gyro, etc.). Seriously, for all these programmable devices, there really needs to be a way to centralize their programming "source". I mean, I hate to admit it, but it's easier to carry a bunch of manuals and lcd screens than a full computer (and my laptop computers are high end, so they're heavy and have a retardedly ****ty battery life, so without power at the field, I'm SOL). If I had studied programming, I'd actually go to work on creating an app for the iPhone or droid platform that would allow us to change everything. Unfortunately, I just don't have the expertise/experience to do that. Perhaps someone else here could...

...now where was I, dh/dt = BS-dx/dt
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06-06-2010 04:29 PM  7 years agoPost 25
Wave

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Dude do you have a 611? You can set it like setting a new watch. It is easy to figure out even without instructions.
No I do not, nor do I wish to spend money for needless items.

Futaba understands there is a market for very expensive gyros with fancy lcd displays. I believe the 611 replacement is due out soon. It will have an lcd amp box and it will cost you plenty.

If money is no issue then go for it, but most guys want the performance without the bells and whistles. Especially with a gyro because after its set you never touch it again.

Like Ron Popeil said......Set it and forget it.

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06-06-2010 04:29 PM  7 years agoPost 26
davidjc

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I'm old with CRS so I just put all those instruction sheets in document protectors and a 3 ring binder, take it with me to the field just in case.

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06-06-2010 04:30 PM  7 years agoPost 27
Aaron29

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I'd like to see setup programs for the iPhone and/or the Droid Evo (
It would indeed be an awesome OPTION, just don't COMPEL someone to use the Iphone. There'd have to be another method of setup for those who don't have iphones.

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06-06-2010 04:31 PM  7 years agoPost 28
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+1 on the iPhone.

I'd love to be able to access the spartan, multigov and all other devices on the iphone.

Why doesn't mikado do that?

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06-06-2010 04:34 PM  7 years agoPost 29
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I guess you could alternatively plug the IPhone into your gyro so that it could actually give you some feedback.

But now I gotta plug in and I have to remember the cord. Since I'm bringing equipment to the field why not just the external LCD?

No the IPhone thing is no better than an external LCD. You still have to remember to bring the cord/LCD.

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06-06-2010 04:38 PM  7 years agoPost 30
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No the IPhone thing is no better than an external LCD. You still have to remember to bring the cord/LCD
A chord to program all my electronics would be in my case just like a screwdriver, and I'd probably have 2 (so I never take the one for the field out my tool box). Yeah it's still something to carry, but come on, one chord vs. manuals/external LCDs/laptop/extra weight on the machine. I think it's a small price to pay and I'll happily pay it.
And now the manufacturer is assuming we all have IPhones.
For the record, I'd prefer them to make something for the Droid platform Still, I have no problem buying more toys, if I needed to get an iTouch, I would, but again, I'd prefer the Droid platform, the HTC Evo in particular

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06-06-2010 04:41 PM  7 years agoPost 31
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I'd still find it to be a PITA to plug in. I'd rather have the interface and just pay a few dollars more.

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06-06-2010 04:42 PM  7 years agoPost 32
ripmax

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you can stick with your old outdated gear because its easy to use.... the rest of us will use newer.. smaller.. lighter.. higher performance equipment and tap into the thing between our ears to learn how to use it.

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06-06-2010 04:42 PM  7 years agoPost 33
Aaron29

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you can stick with your old outdated gear because its easy to use....
I will. My heli can do any maneuver you can think of on it's current gear.

A 611 outdated? How is it being used to win the 2007 3D Masters outdated? You outflown one lately or something?
the rest of us will use newer.. smaller.. lighter.. higher performance equipment
You need to remove "newer and higher performance" from that statement. Remember this is not about the gyro, this is about the interface.

"Performance and newer" have nothing to do with the interface. The 520 could have had an interface and it would perform the same. A next generation gyro that smokes everything could be made with a user friendly interface.

What you meant to say is the rest of you will use smaller and lighter equipment. So be it, I'll take slightly larger with the interface.
and tap into the thing between our ears to learn how to use it.
You're right. I'm totally stupid. I am an idiot for not being able to figure out that guy's gyro without the instructions. Only an idiot would get a 611 anyway since it's a paperweight now.

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06-06-2010 04:44 PM  7 years agoPost 34
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The problem as I see in creating applications for iPhone for example is in lack of published API or interface to particular device as I know. Without this published interface creation of application could be violation of copyright. If API were published, it will spark creation of such applications for different platforms. They are not complicated at all to do.

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06-06-2010 04:44 PM  7 years agoPost 35
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A chord to program all my electronics would be in my case just like a screwdriver, and I'd probably have 2 (so I never take the one for the field out my tool box). Yeah it's still something to carry, but come on, one chord vs. manuals/external LCDs/laptop/extra weight on the machine. I think it's a small price to pay and I'll happily pay it.
Except that none of the manufacturers will ever standardize anything. Just like Futaba and JR could not agree on where positive and negative should go on a simple charge cord.

These guys rely on proprietary plugs, dongles, cords, software, etc, to boost there profits.

Price out a Spartan with all the extra gadgets, it's quite shocking.

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06-06-2010 04:48 PM  7 years agoPost 36
Aaron29

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if I needed to get an iTouch, I would
You'd buy that just to fly helis but balk at the price of an onboard interface?

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06-06-2010 04:49 PM  7 years agoPost 37
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Price out a Spartan with all the extra gadgets, it's quite shocking.
Does beg the question. If gyros were all priced the same, what would you prefer?

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06-06-2010 04:56 PM  7 years agoPost 38
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You'd buy that just to fly helis but balk at the price of an onboard interface?
Yes I would, because I'm willing to bet that the price of that iTouch would be cheaper than all the onboard LCD screens I'd be paying for on MULTIPLE HELICOPTERS. If I had just one machine, then it's not that big of a deal, however since my fleet seems to magically grow for some odd reason, a single purchase to handle ALL OF THEM would be nice. It's like buying a new tx for each machine vs having one to handle them all. I don't want an onboard lcd screen for my gov, esc, vbar, gyro, etc. On multiple machines, you could easily have several additional screens. So yeah, I'd take ONE iTouch, over 10 LCD screens on multiple machines.

And to be honest, the price of the screen doesn't bother me. But I'd rather have one central programming point than multiple. Just like I'd rather have one transmitter for all my machines than a tx for every single one.

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06-06-2010 04:57 PM  7 years agoPost 39
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Does beg the question. If gyros were all priced the same, what would you prefer?
I love my GY 520. Small, lightweight, excellent performance, no hassles, no extra wires or gadgets needed.

Set it and forget it.

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06-06-2010 05:05 PM  7 years agoPost 40
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What if it could be a one piece unit with a small LCD screen atop the gyro?

We're talking the size of a watch, here.

I can see the benefit in a one piece design which is why I think these newer gyros are getting popular. Less space taken up and overall less gaudy looking.

But the best of both worlds would be a slightly larger gyro that had an LCD interface on the sensor itself.

The flashing light thing is just something I can't accept as cool.

I tried the SL720. Had to have a computer to set it up. Never again.

I tried the GP750, it's getting close to what I'm looking for because the lights and what's printed on the gyro work together to tell you what's going on. But it's still a bit lacking in intuitiveness.

Tried the 611 and now all my helis save the 450 have it.

A bunch of guys at the field have 520's. All I see is one light that is either red or blue/purple and it is like talking to my dog and trying to figure out what it's thinking.

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