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HelicopterRadio - Servo - Gyro - Gov - Batt › Gyros getting ridiculous.
06-06-2010 07:28 AM  7 years agoPost 1
Aaron29

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Despite the new tiny 520 being considered cream of the crop, a guy's experience at the field today cemented my decision for the future.

Any gyro or governor I buy in the future will have a user friendly interface, such as an onboard LCD menu.

I kind of had a feeling I'd run into this sooner or later...A buddy brought his heli with a 520 to the field. Unfortunately the sensing needed to be reversed. Furthermore, he'd left the instructions at home.

Now if it were a 611, you'd just go into the menu for Gyro sense and go from NOR to REV and you'd be flying. It's like setting a watch easy. No instructions needed. It took me 60 seconds to show him how I'd do it on a 611, and you could see it say "NOR" or "REV." There's nothing to decipher! I could give you the 611 right now and you could figure that out without instructions within a minute.

Instead, without instructions, and without any way to interpret the light show on his 520, or even figure out how to get into setup mode to make the light show begin, or even figure out how to make the lights change, he took his heli home that day without flying, and no closer to getting his sensing reversed.

And now you have new gyros on the market that need a LAPTOP to setup!?

Futaba please take note that I don't need my gyro to be the size of my fingernail. I need it to work well and be user friendly.

I could be convinced to spend money on gyros that have external switches for sensing and limits, like a 401, but no more light shows.

My 2 cents. Make them more user friendly. I mean come on, if it is the size of a gnat but I can't get it going what good is it?

What are your thoughts? Assuming that the performance were equal to whatever electronics you have. Are you so needing to shave another ounce and are you so lacking in space on your heli that something like the 611 or GV-1 is too big? Would (your favorite gyro) with an LCD menu be a good thing or would you rather deal with flashing lights and try to decipher it.

There are better ways to get rid of weight, IMO.

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06-06-2010 07:51 AM  7 years agoPost 2
Aaron29

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Would (your favorite gyro) with an LCD menu be a good thing or would you rather deal with flashing lights and try to decipher it?

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06-06-2010 07:59 AM  7 years agoPost 3
Rockohaulic

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I totally agree with the laptop thing.

And I totally agree with the size of the gyro thing. Make mine work in a harsh, vibration environment, that's what I say.

But, I do not need to have the LCD onboard. Give me a small LCD that I can plug into the gyro, aka Curtis Youngblood Solid-G, or the Multi Gov governor, then I am very happy!

Computers do not belong at the field, or in my field box.

Saturday morning I flew my helicopter in my pajamas
How it got in my pajamas I'll never know

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06-06-2010 08:01 AM  7 years agoPost 4
Aaron29

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Give me a small LCD that I can plug into the gyro
Certainly better than a flashing light.

But I don't know.

If you can accidentally leave instructions at home, you can leave that at home and you are no better off. I love an LCD screen, but... For me, it's onboard or nil.

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06-06-2010 08:04 AM  7 years agoPost 5
VooDooX

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you can fight the future all you want, its just going to pass you by. laptops soon will be the size of phones, so it shouldnt be an issue. and there are SOOO many options with vbar for example. it is much easier to set up on a computer then from the LCD . anyways kinda like my grandpa.. he REFUSES to buy a computer says he never had one will never need one lol
For me it's onboard or nil.
soo your telling me for a trex 250 you need you an lcd attached or you wont fly it? haha sure gonna be a heavy 250

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06-06-2010 08:06 AM  7 years agoPost 6
Aaron29

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I just have a hard time believing that something the size of a watch would give people a hard time on space and weight. Seriously. Maybe on the Align 250, but on your 90 ?

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06-06-2010 08:07 AM  7 years agoPost 7
Aaron29

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laptops soon will be the size of phones,
We'll see that when we see that. I pay little attention to predictions of the future. 40 years ago everyone thought we'd all be in space and flying cars and stuff. You may be right, but no one can predict the future.

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06-06-2010 08:19 AM  7 years agoPost 8
VooDooX

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We'll see that when we see that. I pay little attention to predictions of the future.
LOL i wasn't making predictions..
http://www.importgsm.com/oqo-model-01-ultra-pc.html

the future is now you can already buy them there just working on getting faster smaller processors and as time goes by price will only drop its currently $1,499.99 lol so a few years + in accordance with Moores Law computers will be 2 times faster in 2.5 years..

OQO's Model 01+ is a mobile computer. A little larger than a deck of playing cards, it runs standard versions of Windows XP
Home, Pro and is a Tablet PC


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06-06-2010 08:25 AM  7 years agoPost 9
Aaron29

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LOL i wasn't making predictions..
http://www.importgsm.com/oqo-model-01-ultra-pc.html
That is HARDLY the size of a phone.

I'd go for a removable device like the G-View WAAAAY before I buy a 1500 dollar computer just because my heli manufacturer doesn't want to make a decent interface.

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06-06-2010 08:30 AM  7 years agoPost 10
VooDooX

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yes but the manufacturers can make a much more graphic and easy to use interface on a computer then on a little LCD screen they could even include video tutorials and large text files and schematics things they couldn't show you on your tiny LCD screen since most people have a computer it only makes sense i mean how many times do you need to set up your gyro? 1 time? or maybe after a crash but not often enough to justify strapping something else that could break in a crash to your heli..

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06-06-2010 08:33 AM  7 years agoPost 11
Aaron29

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I'm not taking my laptop to the field, there's noise/radio signals/kids/BBQ foods/dogs/propellers/nitro exhaust/heat/cold/insects

Not a chance.

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06-06-2010 08:40 AM  7 years agoPost 12
Aaron29

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in accordance with Moores Law computers will be 2 times faster in 2.5 years..
Assuming this is true, it is all the more reason why it ought to be easy to get the gyro to have a nice interface.

But that's assuming it's true...
On 13 April 2005, Gordon Moore stated in an interview that the law cannot be sustained indefinitely: "It can't continue forever. The nature of exponentials is that you push them out and eventually disaster happens."
Again, we will see. You have to get microprocessors into the molecular size level to get past 10 years from now if you believe Moore's law is perfect.

Molecular computers...The gyro's ought to be nice by then. Maybe they can just interface with your cortex.

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06-06-2010 10:14 AM  7 years agoPost 13
synodontis

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Futaba or any other manufacturer could just make an iPhone/or similar app. There, problem solved!

But then again certain people like me don't use mobile phones.

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06-06-2010 10:38 AM  7 years agoPost 14
human213

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ROFLMAO Voodoo

I agree with you completely...

besides, set up should have been done long before
field arrival...

reminds me of those loons that build at the field.

m

Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted.

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06-06-2010 10:54 AM  7 years agoPost 15
LonR

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The thread title should be "my buddy wasn't smart enough to bring his manual" .Im sure you didn't hook your GY611 or GV-1 up perfect for the first time without looking at the manual,thats the reason they come with them.The new designs are awesome and once you use a GY520,Spartan,mini G or any other gyro/gov a few times the manual is in your head.I don't have a manual or field programer for my Spartan because I know how to use it,manual in in my head .

600LE,OS55,OS PowerBoost pipe,Align 610's,Spartan

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06-06-2010 11:55 AM  7 years agoPost 16
red_z06

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We fly logictech 6100t gyro made in Korea. It has the sensor and programmer built in. It is slightly smaller than the 611 amp unit.

Plus

built in programmer with display
set and forget
fast servo
fast moving piro super consistant
(fast piro funnel, piro loop etc)

minus
bulky by today's standard
works with only 6100g servo
repair takes about 4 weeks

www.JustinJee.com

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06-06-2010 12:30 PM  7 years agoPost 17
dizzymarkus

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The Inertia 860 and Nano come with a remote lcd programmer :0) problem solved

Markus

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06-06-2010 01:43 PM  7 years agoPost 18
4cyclic

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or buy an iPad

Life is meaningful flying helis.

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06-06-2010 01:53 PM  7 years agoPost 19
z11355

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considering that I often see guys dragging rolling tool kits behind them so they can do a full reassembly at the field, what's the issue w/ throwing the manual or a copy of the relevant page in the bottom of the field box?

Seen way too many 601/611's destroyed and 'oh, you can't buy just the controller/sensor' and then you're in for a $300 unit.

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06-06-2010 02:47 PM  7 years agoPost 20
dizzymarkus

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Z --- I think the key was 'forgetting" lol -- I sometimes forget the lcd programmer also -- built in -- no forgetting

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