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06-05-2010 11:23 AM  7 years agoPost 1
fla heli boy

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(June 5) -- Women in Saudi Arabia should give their breast milk to male colleagues and acquaintances in order to avoid breaking strict Islamic law forbidding mixing between the sexes, two powerful Saudi clerics have said. They are at odds, however, over precisely how the milk should be conveyed.

A fatwa issued recently about adult breast-feeding to establish "maternal relations" and preclude the possibility of sexual contact has resulted in a week's worth of newspaper headlines in Saudi Arabia. Some have found the debate so bizarre that they're calling for stricter regulations about how and when fatwas should be issued.

Sheikh Al Obeikan, an adviser to the royal court and consultant to the Ministry of Justice, set off a firestorm of controversy recently when he said on TV that women who come into regular contact with men who aren't related to them ought to give them their breast milk so they will be considered relatives.

"The man should take the milk, but not directly from the breast of the woman," Al Obeikan said, according to Gulf News. "He should drink it and then becomes a relative of the family, a fact that allows him to come in contact with the women without breaking Islam's rules about mixing."

Obeikan said the fatwa applied to men who live in the same house or come into contact with women on a regular basis, except for drivers.

Al Obeikan, who made the statement after being asked on TV about a 2007 fatwa issued by an Egyptian scholar about adult breast-feeding, said that the breast milk ought to be pumped out and given to men in a glass.

But his remarks were followed by an announcement by another high-profile sheik, Abi Ishaq Al Huwaini, who said that men should suckle the breast milk directly from a woman's breast.

Shortly after the two sheiks weighed in on the matter, a bus driver in the country's Eastern Region reportedly told one of the female teachers whom he drives regularly that he wanted to suckle milk from her breast. The teacher has threaten to file a lawsuit against him.

The fatwa stems from the tenets of the strict Wahhabi version of Islam that governs modern Saudi Arabia and forbids women from mixing with men who are not relatives. They are also not allowed to vote, drive or even leave the country without the consent of a male "guardian."

Under Islamic law, women are encouraged to breast-feed their children until the age of 2. It is not uncommon for sisters, for example, to breast-feed their nephews so they and their daughters will not have to cover their faces in front of them later in life. The custom is called being a "breast milk sibling."

But under Islamic law, breast milk siblings have to be breastfed before the age of 2 in five "fulfilling" sessions. Islam prohibits sexual relations between a man and any woman who breastfed him in infancy. They are then allowed to be alone together when the man is an adult because he is not considered a potential mate.

"The whole issue just shows how clueless men are," blogger Eman Al Nafjan wrote on her website. "All this back and forth between sheiks and not one bothers to ask a woman if it's logical, let alone possible to breastfeed a grown man five fulfilling breast milk meals.

"Moreover, the thought of a huge hairy face at a woman's breast does not evoke motherly or even brotherly feelings. It could go from the grotesque to the erotic but definitely not maternal."

Al Nafjan said many in the country were appalled by the fatwa.

"We have many important issues that need discussing," Al Nafjan told AOL News Friday. "It's ridiculous to spend time talking about adult breast-feeding."

Unlawful mixing between the sexes is taken very seriously in Saudi Arabia. In March 2009, a 75-year-old Syrian widow, Khamisa Mohammed Sawadi, living in the city of Al-Chamil, was given 40 lashes and sentenced to six months in prison after the religious police learned that two men who were not related to her were in her house, delivering bread to her.

One of the two men found in her house, Fahd, told the police that Sawadi breast-fed him as a baby so he was considered a son and had a right to be there. But in a later court ruling, a judge said it could not be proved that Fahd was her "breast milk son." Fahd was sentenced to four months in prison and 40 lashes, and the man who accompanied him got six months and 60 lashes.

The original adult breast-feeding fatwa was issued three years ago by an Egyptian scholar at Egypt's al-Azhar University, considered Sunni Islam's top university. Ezzat Attiya was expelled from the university after advocating breast-feeding of men as a way to circumnavigate segregation of the sexes in Egypt.

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06-05-2010 12:17 PM  7 years agoPost 2
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The thought of living under laws like that doesn't scare you?

Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about!

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06-05-2010 01:02 PM  7 years agoPost 3
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well of course. I'm just saying people that are so concerned with whacky stuff like that????......are not going to be able to mount anything to overthrow anybody. I'm sorry, they're just an inferior people.

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06-05-2010 01:43 PM  7 years agoPost 4
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this is what happens when people play with unfalsifiable concepts/ideas that they've been indoctrinated with in the early stages of their lives.

It totally beggars belief, and is actually a form of mental illness.

The smart ones grow out of it.

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06-05-2010 02:30 PM  7 years agoPost 5
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This is also what happens when all powerful men rule over others.

Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about!

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06-05-2010 03:38 PM  7 years agoPost 6
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I wonder if that hotty bartender is Muslim???

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06-05-2010 05:57 PM  7 years agoPost 7
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Makes you wonder how people that crazy and stupid wind up in positions of power, Oh wait, I just remembered who our president is!

Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about!

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06-05-2010 09:26 PM  7 years agoPost 8
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Really?

Some of you cats still don't get it.

God Hates Religion.

Religion is made up in the mind of MAN.

Islam is an attempt by man to lift their people
up to a non-existant heaven, by doing more good
than evil - so that in the end, if ONE MORE GOOD
tips the scale, you win.

This is complete BS.

The real God, Father of Jesus Christ declares us
ALL TO BE VILE SINNERS DESERVING OF DEATH and HELL.

But, the GOOD NEWS is that God Made CHRIST to die
in our place on the cross - so that by placing one's
trust in Christ, by faith alone, that one is accounted
righteous by God. His Justice is served. What does
a righteous GOD do with the muslim who mistakenly
conjectures that his goodness if higher will win;
when the evil 49% is still there on the slate of
our 'WORKS' Or for you psych freeks - Behavior.

That god who could or would offer to stuff that old
sin away without some form payment would NOT be a
righteous god.

Thus it is in ISLAM. Allah says the only way with
any kind of assurance into his 'heaven' is to kill
the infidel by offering your own life! Talk about BS!

The reason the US is jacked is because as BabyUH mentions
in another post - is that obamer is a freekin muslim!

IT IS RELIGION and is from the MIND of Man!

Christianity is from GOD - who sent His SON in offer
of our complete forgiveness by Jesus BLOOD shed to that
a new life, a holy life, a righteous life can be LIVED
RIGHT NOW today with hope of heaven beyond.

You flipped fish cannot see this because you are dead
in trespasses and sins. Your spirit is Dead.
And will remain dead forever....unless you allow
GOD's Son to die for your payments of sin, and grant
you His HOLY SPIRIT! This gift an earnest deposit of
that which is to come - a new world, no sin, where only
the redeemed of the Blood of the Lamb (Jesus) will Live.

If you do not search this our for yourself, and continue
to believe the lie (That which others who also hate GOD
have told you) you will also die forever without reparation.

God Wants to give you Eternal Life.

This is the content of The Holy Bible.

England has lost this understanding.

So have so many other parts of the world.

We need God the Saviour!

Listen up in closing my flyin buddys -

Why Choose to die believing the LIE,

When God proved His Love in the very

Resurrection of His Blessed Son!! (?)

What you need MOST is to discover the TRUTH
of the Resurrection of Christ.

(God shows YOU that it can be accomplished!)

Even yours!

If you DO NOT BELIEVE GOD

You will NOT be resurrected EVER............

That's a mighty long time.

Read the Bible for yourself, get help, you CAN find Christ
alive today in your very heart!!!!

I promise. (Declares the Real GOD)

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I love gravity, it always keeps my feet planted when I fly!

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06-05-2010 09:47 PM  7 years agoPost 9
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Take it outside, God boy, you scare me as much as them....nearly lol

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06-05-2010 10:56 PM  7 years agoPost 10
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come to think of it I don't know what helicopter's aim is.

If he KNOWS that he's right and he'll go to heaven - good for him. And if we are all given Free Will to think as we please, then why should he persuade us to believe in his faith when we ourselves have worked it out to ourselves that it's all a pack of lies? And that nothing he says or does can change it (unless his God shows himself then it would be another matter - but that never happens).

helicopter gains nothing by spouting the rubbish that he has, it's only ego feeding to get someone on your side etc . . very much like how cults are formed, tragic to say the least.

I don't get any of the BS you spout helicopter - nor what any person who has faith spouts. Because from a simplistic point of view, if you are totally correct in your faith, you need not be trying to shove it down people's throats, it should stand up on its own merits (which all faiths unfortunately do not). Further, if you believe yourselves right and will go to heaven, and have ever lasting life etc. . . good for you. You now don't need to hate, be prejudiced, be angry, resentful, try to convert others since you yourself are going to get the rewards and if other follow good, and if not tough for them.

from my own point of view I find it brutally arrogant that you think yourselves right and others wrong.

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06-05-2010 11:21 PM  7 years agoPost 11
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More rehearsed dogma from the religion of fear please.

Life is hard. Harder when your stupid

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06-05-2010 11:44 PM  7 years agoPost 12
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from my own point of view I find it brutally arrogant that you think yourselves right and others wrong.
But, thats the way most atheists behave. Atheists are just as stuck on their lack of faith as guys like helicopter are on their confirmation of their faith.

One is just as bad as the other when they get to the extreme of either side. I don't agree that helicopter needs to spout his religion here. There is always a better way than his style. But, I certainly would defend his right to do so and would just keep my yap shut about it and he will go away on his own without help from others. Maybe the other side will do the same.

Wishful thinking?

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06-06-2010 01:17 AM  7 years agoPost 13
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But, thats the way most atheists behave. Atheists are just as stuck on their lack of faith as guys like helicopter are on their confirmation of their faith.
He doesn't have "faith". He has ego - just like the rest of you.

Atheists (or agnostics for that matter) will STOP being agnostics/atheists IMMEDIATELY if GOD shows himself. THE END. Can't be fairer than that can we?

All your faith has done is made a construct and using that construct you implied ludicrous judgments/concepts that have no place with our technological advancement of our species. It's all a silly mind game.

You have no basis nor any logic for this construct, taking it all from what you've grown up with/heard from others/read in a silly book etc. This construct also does not make any ethical sense, and if you were to look deeply inwards to yourselves you'll see that.

For those less sure of themselves, other people's faith can be intimidating. It binds as well as alienates, and is a basis for prejudice, and resentment leading to inhumane treatment of certain groups.

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06-06-2010 01:29 AM  7 years agoPost 14
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Religious zealot - Atheist zealot.

Both one and the same.

Both big fat ego's to feed.

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06-06-2010 07:08 AM  7 years agoPost 15
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This is the internet

Helicopter might be an aetheist himself playing everybody like a harp.He might be sat there now with a big grin,fat cigar with a few buddies having a few beers and a laugh at everyones expense Not a believer myself but it is not at the top of my thoughts which path people follow as long as everyone,the majority,get along,which for the most part ordinary folks do.I also enjoy a good laugh

Team- unbiased opinion.K.I.S.S principle upheld here

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06-06-2010 10:07 AM  7 years agoPost 16
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Religious zealot - Atheist zealot.
there are no Atheist zealots. Never really have been by definition. However there have been plenty of religious zealots - for which humanity is deeply ashamed.

Atheist/Agnostics don't - by definition - need to persecute religious people. Not in the strict sense of the definition because there are NOTHING to persecute, because for one no constructive debate is possible and for another the denial of the religious regarding the technological advancement of our species has made most of their "claims/concepts" untenable and unethical.

From a Darwinian point of view, and this is not negotiable, if the human species WANTS a future all this silliness regarding religion has to go. Or else we just wipe ourselves out over things that can never be resolved, and if that's not childish and egotistical I don't know what is.

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06-06-2010 01:27 PM  7 years agoPost 17
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there are no Atheist zealots. Never really have been by definition. However there have been plenty of religious zealots - for which humanity is deeply ashamed.
That is just your opinion (not fact) and further proof that atheist zealots (with big fat ego's) do exist.

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06-06-2010 01:28 PM  7 years agoPost 18
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Personally, I think that would be rather arrogant and egotistical to expect God to prove himself to me!
Like he doesn't have more important things to do?

Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about!

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06-06-2010 07:15 PM  7 years agoPost 19
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That is just your opinion (not fact) and further proof that atheist zealots (with big fat ego's) do exist.
I speak for myself. I can't speak for paranoid schizophrenics who have dreamt up/made up unfalsifiable crap to justify their actions. Be it religious beliefs or social and/or political ideology (at least with social and political ideology you can still get a testable basis). Get that Dennis?

I don't care for your religion - or any of others. I don't care about God, or anyone else's concept interpretation of Him/It. I do find it brutal and arrogant that the religious can impose: believe in our God or you'll burn in Hell, because if you excuse me, that's ethically wrong and fascist.

I did not choose not to believe. I do not believe because I can think for myself, thank you very much. But your's and others' faith concern me to a certain extent because of the fact that we live in the same reality. If your God exists me and all the atheists and agnostics and people's of other religions are WRONG. If no God exists, you and every other person of faith can talk about all the most unfalsifiable crap you like - and extend/interpret/read into/re-interpret etc - and it would amount to NOTHING.

I really don't think people have "faith" in the strict sense because at the time we're living in most of the mysteries of our history has been solved. If there is a God/Entity that created/started all this, we know with near total certainty that it definitely isn't the Christian God, the Muslim God, the Jewish God, the Hindu God etc. . . and that's the end of that.

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06-06-2010 07:22 PM  7 years agoPost 20
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I speak for myself. I can't speak for paranoid schizophrenics who have dreamt up/made up unfalsifiable crap to justify their actions. Be it religious beliefs or social and/or political ideology (at least with social and political ideology you can still get a testable basis). Get that Dennis?
Is that an opinion or an attempt to put words in my mouth once again?
I don't care for your religion - or any of others. I don't care about God, or anyone else's concept interpretation of Him/It.
Your choice. So be it.
I do find it brutal and arrogant that the religious can impose: believe in our God or you'll burn in Hell, because if you excuse me, that's ethically wrong and fascist.
To bad you don't focus a bit of that hate for Christians against the Radical Muslims who wish to kill Christians and people like yourself as infidels.
we know with near total certainty that it definitely isn't the Christian God, the Muslim God, the Jewish God, the Hindu God etc. . . and that's the end of that.
We? I though you were speaking for yourself.

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