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HelicopterAlignT-REX 600N › Do I need a header tank and gov for my 600n?
06-03-2010 10:35 AM  7 years agoPost 1
DH1

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Ok. I have a 600n. Newbie with a capital N. It will be a while till I'm throwing my heli around 3d style. Question is for upright flying is a header tank advised? does it give any benifits when the heli is upright?
Also There have been lots of Align govs up for sale out of kits lately and was wondering if I could use one. Is it recommended or more for insane 3d flight where you can over rev the engine.
Thanks in advance for any answers

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06-03-2010 11:01 AM  7 years agoPost 2
G Steyn

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For now, the header tank would be needed as soon as you start doing stall-turns/inverted flight. No, it wouldn't help any with FF.

Governor. Yes, it is a nice to have. I'd rather suggest you learn how the throttle curves, and pitch curves affect eachother. Also learn how your engine sounds/feels, what the temp is when you adjust needles, etc, etc.... THEN only add the governor.

LAST, but surely the most important.... Make friends with someone that DOES/have flown NITRO.

Concentrate on your weaknesses and your strengths will reward you!

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06-03-2010 12:11 PM  7 years agoPost 3
itsjojo

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I'm getting rid of my header tanks. There are Pros and cons with them. As far as I'm concerned it's just more junk on the heli. You don't need them at all. Many pilots including pros fly without them.

Here is the most important thing you need to know if your new to nitros. IMO
LAST, but surely the most important.... Make friends with someone that DOES/have flown NITRO.
This will save you some burned up pistons/cylinders for sure.

JoJo
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06-03-2010 02:13 PM  7 years agoPost 4
Fnity

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I kept flaming out without the header tank and was using the OMI magnet pickup. I added the header with a OS pickup in it and OMI in the main, and will never go without myself.
More stuff on the heli but I never suck air, and fly until the main is bone dry. For me its a must....

Frank Leyva
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06-03-2010 02:22 PM  7 years agoPost 5
red_z06

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For beginners to sport fliers, I would recommend putting them on. The extra weight will make the heli more stable and extra fuel to burn per flight.

I would avoid fuel magnet as it is another source of maintenance. I have been using OS bubbleless but it is expensive at $16. This will prevent the bubble from entering the fuel line. I ordered some Dubro tank filter clunk to test as it is cheaper at $3.

As you advance toward smack style flying where you want instant stop and go, lighter heli will fly crisper and have faster acceleration. When this happens you can take it off. I have not seen any change in engine running with or without the header tanks.

All our nitro helis are run from the main tank only.

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06-03-2010 09:33 PM  7 years agoPost 6
ACKopter

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I'm still pretty green around the gills and prefer the piece of mind the header tank gives me, that and I dont even worry about being low on fuel till the main tank is empty.
As for the governor, I'd still be running without one but could not find the proper way to set curves for use without a gov and was suffering from bogging issues. As already stated, if you can find someone in your area with the proper knowledge it will be great and you should be able to fly governor free without issue for quite some time once you have a good set of throttle curves combined with mixing to the ail/elev to compensate for cyclic bogging.

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06-04-2010 12:36 AM  7 years agoPost 7
DH1

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Thanks for the replies fellas. LOL. I'm even more confused now. Need header,don't need header,,,,,need gov,don't need gov.I assumed this sort of question might get some opposing veiws. Well I have my throttle curves set ATM as the manual suggests. Just hovering though.
I might hold off on getting a gov as I do prefer to have a complete understanding and knowledge of how my curves work.
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G Styn. That piece of advice about seeking out buddies is so true. Nitro I have found is very difficult to sort out with out experience.
I am going to check a club out next weekend.

Redz 06. Does the headr stop air intake because any air in the main tank gets pushed into the header as the main is filled and cant get back to the main till the header is empty?

So I think I will get the header and leave the gov for the moment.

Cheers

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06-04-2010 12:40 AM  7 years agoPost 8
jackheli

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I fly with header and gov. Would recommend to use both.

The governor makes the setup that much easier, although it is possible to live without it.

The header tank traps any air bubble in the system and gives you a good indication of how far into draining fully the main tank you are.

the clunk in the header is always in fuel, so the engine sees a constant supply. The clunk in the main may take some time to find fuel when you flip over, etc... and the main is half empty.

Need? no need. But get them both in my opinion.

It's easy to find an excuse to do wrong. Hard is not to find an excuse to do right.

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06-04-2010 03:30 AM  7 years agoPost 9
Fnity

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^^ ^^ +1 for jackheli

Frank Leyva
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06-05-2010 12:53 PM  7 years agoPost 10
wargor

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Since you are new to the hobby and nitro's here is my advice. Absolutely no need for a header tank or gov. if all you are doing is just hovering and basic circuits there is no need for any of the other stuff. The advice you have been getting is for people that are past the level you are at. Learn to just get the engine tuned for hovering and you will be fine for awhile. Once you start getting past this stage and start doing more aerobatics then I would advise on getting a gov. I have been flying my t600 for three years with the black Hayes fuel line and fuel magnet with no problems at all. Never have I had an engine flame out using this setup. Absolutely no need for a header tank!!! Just make sure that you cut the appropriate length of fuel tubing and you're fine.

I will also say that I never fly a complete empty tank. I leave a little in the tank to make sure that the nitro doesn't eat the magnet from the exhaust. If you choose to fly an empty tank just make sure that you fill the tank somewhat after you land.

As a beginner keep it simple!!!

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06-13-2010 02:44 AM  7 years agoPost 11
francisf74

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VA

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I agree with him. If you're only learning doing some hovering and figure eights, no need for governor but header tank is a nice one to have and wont break your pocket either.

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06-13-2010 04:22 AM  7 years agoPost 12
Fnity

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I have a *NIB* Align gov for sale guys $35

https://rc.runryder.com/helicopter/t591397p1/

Extra from a new kit...pm if interested

Frank Leyva
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06-15-2010 11:49 PM  7 years agoPost 13
Zaneman007

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I use both, and recommend both.

Old Guys Rule!

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