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06-04-2010 10:08 PM  7 years agoPost 21
jyzoom

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adoption is faster in today world

While it might take a long time in the past for some new technology to be adopted....
In today's world with the help of the internet, more educated teens coming into the work force and global supply chain.....adoption of technology is much faster.....Just look at Iphone :-)

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06-07-2010 08:19 PM  7 years agoPost 22
Ben-T-Spindle

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S-Bus Gyro

I as thinking that Futaba would probably just make an S-Bus gyro. That would be super simple only requiring an S-Bus in, S-Bus out, and a USB connection. That would be a big hit for small helicopters. You would probably need a power buss for large helicopters.

They really wouldn’t need a SC card either. They could just add a 2 Gb or 10 Gb memory chip for data logging and other features.

Futaba could probably make a 3-axis gyro about the same size as a GY520 or Spartan gyro. That would set a whole new standard.

What due you all thibnk?

... BTS

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06-07-2010 08:37 PM  7 years agoPost 23
VooDooX

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You kept crashing on the sim because of latency? I could be wrong but you are connected to the sim through a trainer cable and have no mixing enabled I highly doubt latency is the problem
you are wrong the latency is still there any i mean doing low fast tictocs that i can do all day long on other radios

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08-20-2010 11:41 PM  7 years agoPost 24
Charlie R

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Futaba Flybarless

Futaba Flybarless when ? Rumers ? anyone testing one ?

Helicopters are a mass of rotating metal fatigue surrounding an oil leak !

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08-21-2010 12:17 AM  7 years agoPost 25
Ben-T-Spindle

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You usually don’t hear much about Futaba products until they are ready for market. One thing for sure it will probably be more expensive than anything currently on the market.

If they were smart they would make an entire lineup like the current gyros. Have entry level, intermediate, and competation level flybarless gyros to cover the entire market.

... BTS

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08-21-2010 05:00 PM  7 years agoPost 26
Husker

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Voodoo...Justin Jee has no latency issues. I have been using one for a year now and I have had no issues. Yes I have flown with the dx7se and futaba. My previous radio had much less latency but I still prefer tha aurora hands down. The latency concern is a joke. It has been proven on many other threads on many sites that people can't tell the difference.

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08-22-2010 12:08 PM  7 years agoPost 27
Angelos

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> That would be super simple only requiring an S-Bus in, S-Bus out, and a USB connection.

I have considered this already but the SBUS frame rate peaks at around 100Hz. This is a bit slow in comparison to 250-333Hz that most gyros use. It is theoretically possible to send SBUS data at higher speeds but the current servo offerings can't accept it.

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08-22-2010 04:09 PM  7 years agoPost 28
Ben-T-Spindle

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So you are saying that the S-Bus will not run by BLS251 rudder servo?

Looks like it might take another year or so to get all this new technology worked out for helicopters.

... BTS

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08-22-2010 06:10 PM  7 years agoPost 29
Angelos

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The BLS251 and other "traditional" servos don't work with SBUS anyway; you need special servos for SBUS. Search SBUS at Tower Hobbies.

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08-22-2010 06:21 PM  7 years agoPost 30
thenewguy

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Well,

It all depends on how you are using the S-bus system. For us on helis you would most likely use the S-bus receiver as a satellite for a flybarless system. At that point yes is would run your BLS251 servo. It would run any regular servo. Because the servo is plugged into the flybarless system not the receiver.

For airplanes it works a different way and requires the S-bus servos. If you daisy chain the servos down a wing or another part of the airplane.

Chris

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08-22-2010 08:47 PM  7 years agoPost 31
Angelos

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Chris,
Yes that works. We were talking about the theoretically simplified system that has only SBUS in and SBUS out lines.

-Angelos

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08-22-2010 09:09 PM  7 years agoPost 32
modtron

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The BLS251 and other "traditional" servos don't work with SBUS anyway; you need special servos for SBUS.

Sorry guys - but yes they do if you use the decoder.

If you want to get the best out of the system, then you will need the Futaba programable servo's, but by using the decoder you can use any of the regular Futaba digital or analogue servo's.

modtron
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08-22-2010 09:26 PM  7 years agoPost 33
thenewguy

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Sorry about that. I should have read more.

Chris

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08-23-2010 08:09 AM  7 years agoPost 34
WIRLYBIRD

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I agree with Ben-T-Spindle , fly bars will be a thing of the past sooner than you think , I was around when Schluter and Franz Kavan first came out onto the market. My first helli was the Kavan Jet Ranger , and then a series of Schluter's and Hirobo's and I can go on for days........

The point is we have seen the changes over those years you are now going through even more radical changes right now , take the electric helli virtually unheard of in my days.

I'm still flying my NH90 with the flybar , but I'm just waiting to see which system I'll be going with , at the moment it's between SK720 and V bar , when I've made my choice that's it for flybars with me!!
Dave.

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08-23-2010 11:40 AM  7 years agoPost 35
modtron

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So you are saying that the S-Bus will not run by BLS251 rudder servo?
Just to let you know the BLS251 servo does work with the GY701 when connected via the S-Bus system.

modtron
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08-25-2010 03:12 AM  7 years agoPost 36
knightofcarnage

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Not with out and adapter. All the S-bus is an protocol with addressing bits mostly likely. Eg like 485,USB or even a simple daisy chain. I'm assuming most rc radio have uni directional communication, so there so should be no issues decoding faster then servo latency anyways. Plus on the if Futaba was smart (which they are) them even might have a multicast addressing scheme so N servo can respond the the same packet, this would actula boost bandwidth.(Eg. The ali and Elv servo both need to move X steps can be encoded in 1 packet). Only problem you can get with this setup if its a bi directional communication then you have to worry about bus contingency. But this can be solve by just jacking up the internal clock on the receiver. Does anyone know if futaba has an RFC on the S-Bus.

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08-25-2010 11:24 AM  7 years agoPost 37
Ben-T-Spindle

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I hear that Futaba is working on a telemetry system. I wonder if they use S-Bus to connect to telemetry sensors?

... BTS

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08-26-2010 04:33 AM  7 years agoPost 38
knightofcarnage

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Only make sence to use an serial communication for something like that. One thing i heard the high end raidos will have menus for there 3 axis gyros. So all programming can be achieved tru the raido.

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08-26-2010 09:27 AM  7 years agoPost 39
modtron

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The 14MZ already had the option of 3 separate gyro gain control from the day it came out.

modtron
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11-24-2010 05:58 AM  7 years agoPost 40
rotaryguy

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Old post but I thought I would update..Futaba will never what?
http://www.futaba-rc.com/radioaccys/futm0835.html

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