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Scorpion Power ProModeler
06-03-2010 12:44 AM  7 years agoPost 1
rapidity

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Surprised nobodys brought this up yet. They're available. Got it set up. Need to learn the programming.

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06-03-2010 12:46 AM  7 years agoPost 2
dxflyer

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I am interested in knowing what people thought about it. I will probably buy one next week. I am working on the power supply side first. let us know what you think.

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06-03-2010 05:04 AM  7 years agoPost 3
blackbird

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Where you get it from?

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06-03-2010 05:39 AM  7 years agoPost 4
Dr.Ben

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Here:

http://progressiverc.com/index.php?...uemart&Itemid=1

When you seek a definition of first class customer service, this company is a gold standard.

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06-03-2010 07:08 AM  7 years agoPost 5
shine153

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Wow! very nice~
My next charger!

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06-03-2010 11:56 AM  7 years agoPost 6
Cowjock

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Think I saw a couple at Hobby Hut a couple of days ago.

Damn that ground is hard! When's the right time to get out of this money sucking hobby?

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06-03-2010 01:17 PM  7 years agoPost 7
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Got mine at epbuddy.com

Pretty good package deal going, especially if your a first time customer.

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06-04-2010 12:10 AM  7 years agoPost 8
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CRAP!

Well, the charger works fine as well as the software, etc.

Prob is the generator. Honda 1000 is definitely not enough.

Tried 30amp fast charge died on ramp up in both echo and non.

Tried 25amp fast charge, thought it was gonna be alright, but died after 10 min into the charge. After it was started and running ok, switched it into echo mode, might have caused the prob. But none the less the 1000 really struggles with this charger.

This is with 2 6S 5000 in parallel. Charger really ramps up quickly, need to look to see if I can change that someway.

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06-04-2010 02:08 AM  7 years agoPost 9
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Well it looks like 2C is the best I can do with this generator. Breaker blows at 2.5C shutting off charger, but gen keeps running. Supposed to be 7.5amps breakers, thought 2.5C would be doable. According to logview charger was at 560watts when it shutdown. I would think that would be below 7.5amps. Plugged into both receptacles on gen, assume they're both rated to 7.5. Need to put some kind of meter and see what these power supplies are actually pulling.

2C fast charge took 23m 24s @ 7292mah and ran ok on eco mode.

Gonna try to get together with my bud tomorrow who has a 2000, see what it does then. This is only marginally better then the 2 1010's I've been using for years.

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06-04-2010 02:36 AM  7 years agoPost 10
TJinGuy

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It does seem like the EU1000 should give you a little more. I would recommend you get a Kill-A-Watt. That should be able to tell you more.

Until then, here is some math for thought.

You say 2.5C and so I will assume you mean a 25A charge rate. If so then that would give you somewhere between 550W and 625W of output, depending on the charge voltage of the pack. Now add in the loss for the charger, about 10%. That makes it more like 605W to 688W. Now add in the loss for the power supplies, probably about 20%. That pushes it to between 726W to 826W. If something is less efficient then I calculated then you could easily reach the 900W max of the generator.

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06-04-2010 05:52 AM  7 years agoPost 11
Band1086

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Got mine on Tues. The programming is fairly easy to learn, and so I've been experimenting with high power charge rates. I've been playing with a set of TP 5000 6S 45C's and a set of 5000 6S NRG's.
This charger will push 30A and charge two of these batts from nominal to 95% (which is what I've been charging to for 2 or 3 months) in about 18-20 minutes. Then I tried one 45C at 6C charge rate (a full 30A into one batt) always on "balance charge", it charged it in about 10 mins! This charger is KICK AZZ So, you can charge 6 of these big batts in parallel @ 1C ea. or 4@ 1.5C ea. or 2 @ 3C ea. or 1 @ 6C(TP 45C's only @ 6C). This means we can have one charger and 4 batts and fly 12-14s heli's pretty much back to back all day. SO COOL ! This charger is a huge step in the right direction for the E's.

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06-04-2010 05:58 AM  7 years agoPost 12
HeliMan Dave

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rapidity,

I'm VERY interested in your findings using the 2000W generator. I just bought a 2000W Yamaha a week ago and am planning to use it with a new 1000w charger (not the 3010B though). I may take a close look at the new 3010B however.

For power supplies I am going to use a Cosel 24V 27A unit for now.

Please let us know how the 2000W handles it.

Dave

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06-04-2010 07:09 AM  7 years agoPost 13
Band1086

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Dave, you probably know this, but the PS wattage is Amps X Volts. So that PS is capable of 648 Watts. The PL8 requires 1200W input to max it out, so your PS will only take it about half way

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06-04-2010 12:22 PM  7 years agoPost 14
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Thanks TJin, I see radio shack carries these. Will stop up and ck them out.

I'd have a hard time believing the 2000 couldn't run these @ 30amps.

23 min with the 1000 using the fast charge setting isn't really bad. Gives me a resting voltage of 25.05. If I was flying single packs it would be a super setup. I just expected it to do a little better.

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06-04-2010 01:55 PM  7 years agoPost 15
JEEPWORLD2002

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for the gen to work add a deep cycle batt into the circuit. Isnt the cell pro the one, that recomends adding a 12v deep cycle to circuit, to sustain the 1000watt output of the charger ??

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06-04-2010 01:59 PM  7 years agoPost 16
Justin Stuart (passed)

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@ rapidity,

Please let me know how the Honda 2000W generator works out for you.

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06-04-2010 03:04 PM  7 years agoPost 17
TJinGuy

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23 min with the 1000 using the fast charge setting isn't really bad
If you are talking about using "Fast Charge" instead of "Balance Charge", you do know that fast charge does not balance right? All fast charge does is adjust the completion current to I/5, which speeds up the CV stage of charging. You can select the "Bal. Speed" in the settings and "Fast" is an option. Check out the manual for more info.
for the gen to work add a deep cycle batt into the circuit. Isnt the cell pro the one, that recomends adding a 12v deep cycle to circuit, to sustain the 1000watt output of the charger ??
You can use a deep cycle to buffer the charger but it is not necessary if you have a proper power supply. Also remember that you need 24V to get full output on both the 1000W chargers, so you would need 2 deep cycles in series. That is a pita if you ask me. Just get a proper generator (or a wall plug) and proper power supply if you plan to use the full output of these guys.

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06-04-2010 04:38 PM  7 years agoPost 18
Band1086

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Chris,

The Iota and Bulldog power supplies are very high quality, do you think they will actually have a loss of 20% when used at 27-28V?

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06-04-2010 05:13 PM  7 years agoPost 19
TJinGuy

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In the computer world even the high-end units have a hard time being more than 80% efficient, with only just a handful of units available in the 90% range. And these units are trying to be efficient to save power. They have Active PFC (power factor correction) and many have PF values close to 99%.

So do I think the Iotas and such are trying to be super efficient? No. They are trying to make good quality units with solid outputs and good life spans but they are not super concerned with efficiency. At least that is my feeling.

- Chris

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06-04-2010 07:58 PM  7 years agoPost 20
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I know what the fast charge is.

I'm not gonna go nuts upgrading my system. It is what it is for now. I'll get one of those monitors and will see what the system is actually doing.

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