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06-04-2010 02:05 AM  7 years agoPost 61
Spitfire1

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Scorpion motors are cheaper than Align motors, as long as you can get the right pinion for the 1100kv on 8s I cant see any reason why not, I think the 890 is more appropriate for 8s, but if it was me I would get the 1100 as long as the toothcount isent too low on the pinion, Ive never done the math though, if it ends up being less than 10 tooth to get correct headspead with the 1100 then I would go the 890.

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06-04-2010 02:26 AM  7 years agoPost 62
LonR

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Could I run the Scorpion 4025 890KV with a 6 cell lipo and still have good power and better than stock?I know my Castle Creation 85HV esc will work with 6 to 12 cell lipos so im set there.I wanna run a 6 cell setup for now and just maybe go 8 cells max down the road,10/12 cells is over kill for me.I need a motor that will make good/better than stock power on 6 and 8 cells.Theres so many options for 50 size Scorpion motor I don't know which one to get and only wanna buy once.I want the NEU 1515 2.5D bad but thats out of my price range unless I find a good deal on a used one so the Scorpion looks to be the 2nd best as long as I get the right one..

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06-04-2010 03:52 AM  7 years agoPost 63
McKrackin

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The 1100kv Scorp is good for 6 or 8 cell.
The 890 will need a huge pinion count for 6 cell.That will rob it of power.That will increase amp draw and cut your flight time by about half.Half is a bunch on EP helis.

My suggestion is 1100 motor for 6S.If you want to go 8S later,lose a few teeth on the pinion and enjoy.

With an 1100 on 6S you'll be starting with enough toofs on the pinion to lose a few.

I literally never use the word literally right.

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06-04-2010 04:11 AM  7 years agoPost 64
Spitfire1

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I agree on the 1100, its possible your stock motor is old and therefore you will notice a huge improvement, often Align motors dont last very long.

Remember that lipo pack age makes a huge difference also with the 600, if you dont have a brand new pack may be worth forking out on atleast one new 30c pack so you know its not the packs that are limiting you, there is a big difference if you use the 11t over the 10t also but you need to keep your flights to 4 minutes max or risk ruining lipos.

Also I think you can actually lean on the collective more than you think, my problem is with the 600 I hear the rotor start bogging and then wimp out of what ever Im doing thinking its not going work, I think the guys that can really fly the pants of em tend to keep pushing even when the rotor slows down if you understand what I mean.

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06-04-2010 04:20 AM  7 years agoPost 65
Ronald Thomas

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Trex 600 on 6s swing 600s? If so that CC85 won't last long. You really need to go 8s or 10s to get the amperage draws down. Considering an 80 amp ESC on a Logo 500 (lighter) swinging 560mm blades (smaller) is too small, I think you need to rethink your setup.
You have the right motor to go 8s, now you just need a 2s lipo to add to the 6s ones you have and you will be golden..........Ron

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06-04-2010 04:37 AM  7 years agoPost 66
Frank Bostwick

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My stretched Logo 400 runs an 1100 on 6s at 2050ish HS. I get 4.5 mins of hard sport flying out of it swinging 500mm blades and a 3700mah battery. Honestly I think 550s would be the biggest set of blades 6s is good for. Oh I just use an Align 75amp esc. Eagle tree puts may averages in the 40amp range and peaks in the upper 90s. IMO 6s runs best with 500mm blades. Itll push 550s but the extra drain on the system and strain on the battery is just not worth it.
1100KV is where you wanna be, IMO

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06-04-2010 04:40 AM  7 years agoPost 67
McKrackin

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Trex 600 on 6s swing 600s? If so that CC85 won't last long.
What's the qualifications on that statement?
Seriously.

I ran 6S pretty hard on a Trex 600 with 600mm blades with a stock Align 100X and never had any issues.
Is the CC85 not up to it?

I literally never use the word literally right.

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06-04-2010 04:47 AM  7 years agoPost 68
Ronald Thomas

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What's the qualifications on that statement?
Seriously.
Experience

Like I said before, if a lighter heli swinging smaller blades can be too much for that ESC, why would you think the heavier heli with bigger blades would be ok? 450 was aking about 4 point tic tocs and piroflips earlier, I doubt he will baby that setup and it is borderline at best. What do you think Align replaced that 75 amp ESC on their 600s with a 100 amp one?
I personally used a CC85 on a Logo 500 (with 560mm blades) as well as a Swift 500 Carbon (with 550mm blades) and in both the CC 85 came down hot and eventually failed.

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06-04-2010 05:12 AM  7 years agoPost 69
LonR

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Edited:: Didn't see above post

So I can go to 8 cells with the Scorpion 4020-1100KV just change pinions,sweet and thats what I want.mckrackin,you wanna part with your Scorpion 4020-1100KV .Will this be a pretty good setup then ?

Scorpion 4020-1100KV with 11 or 10T pinion
CC 85HV esc
6 cell 5000mAh 30C Flightmax
3 Align DS610's
Spartan DS760 with Align DS650 tail servo
Align BEC with 1900mAh lipo

I have all this stuff but a Castle link programer for the esc which I plan on getting before running it and the motor.You guys know how im flying so I wanna be sure i'll be good to go with this motor .

mckrackin,
I'll have the heli by Monday so i'll get it all setup with the stock esc and get a video or 2 to send ya to see if you still want the esc.

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06-04-2010 05:28 AM  7 years agoPost 70
LonR

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laughingstill Trex 600 on 6s swing 600s? If so that CC85 won't last long. You really need to go 8s or 10s to get the amperage draws down. Considering an 80 amp ESC on a Logo 500 (lighter) swinging 560mm blades (smaller) is too small, I think you need to rethink your setup.
You have the right motor to go 8s, now you just need a 2s lipo to add to the 6s ones you have and you will be golden..........Ron
I know you know your sh!t when it comes to setting a electric up so im guessing im better off waiting on installing the 85HV esc and motor until I get two 4 cell packs.My esc is brand new and its the most I ever spent on something like this when I didn't have the $$ in the first place and I don't have another $200.00 for another one .I should just buy my motor and run the 6 cell packs on the stock setup and save for eight 4 cell packs while I fly these.If anything I can save and buy 2 packs at a time and put them away until I finish the 6 cells off.So my esc will be ok on 8 cells?

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06-04-2010 05:41 AM  7 years agoPost 71
Spitfire1

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Dont sweat it, I understand where laughingstill is comeing from but I think/know from experience that the Pheonix 85 HV will be OK, its surge rate is up around 100 amps from memory, its possible to pull 100 amps on a 6s setup but just not for prolonged periods.

Now if the stock Align esc is a 100 amp one its good for 130 amps so if it was me I would use the stock Align 100 over the CC85 just for absolute safety, many if not most will disagree though and say use the CC85.

If your Align esc is the 75 amp version then I would only use it with the stock motor and dont even contemplate useing it with the Scorpion, its borderline at best and even with the stock motor to be frank theres a good chance it will go pop under a hard load.

The amps should come down a bit on 8s theoretically with same headspead e.t.c.

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06-04-2010 06:36 AM  7 years agoPost 72
LonR

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Yeah I think i'll wait.Heres the specs,click on "Phoenix 85HV" http://www.castlecreations.com/prod..._hv_series.html and heres what size packs CC Recommends for the esc ESC ,scroll down to the 600 Class Helicopters http://www.castlecreations.com/support/helisetups.html .Maybe I should ask this first,what 2 cell packs do I need to add to my 6 cells?I know I need 30C packs but what about the mAh and how do I run both packs at the same time .A "Y" harness with 2 males and 1 female?

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06-04-2010 06:59 AM  7 years agoPost 73
Spitfire1

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Im almost certain the CCHV85 has at least a 95 amp burst rate, tried to find it on that website but it only says max amps 85.

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06-04-2010 07:15 AM  7 years agoPost 74
LonR

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Im not looking for prices because I own this esc so please don't pink me Mark ,just trying to get help .

Spitfire1,
This is where I got the specs from before I bought it.Not sure what all this means but the specs say its good for 3 to 12 cells so I bought it .Heres the link if you wanna check the specs out http://www.espritmodel.com/index.as...ROD&ProdID=4398 .Heres the specs if the link don't work.

ESC Phoenix HV85
Manufacturer Castle Creations
Applications Heli/Airplanes/Sailplanes
Special Features Phoenix Link Programming
Cont/Max Amp 85/100A
Cells NiMH/NiCD 8-36 cells
Cells Li-poly 3-12 cells
Voltage 10-50V
Programming Fully Programmable
Type/Max BEC (A) -
Max #Servos/V -
Dimensions 75mm x 38mm x 23mm
Weight 119g

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06-04-2010 07:26 AM  7 years agoPost 75
Spitfire1

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^
According to that the cc85 is good for 100amp, I was starting to doubt myself for a while.

I just did a quik search and it apears stock 6s powered trex 600`s can actually peak as high as 120 amps, so I dont know anymore about the cc85, Im inclined to say its pushing it to the limit but I know for a fact that most of the guys on these forums genarally use CC85`s on there 6s 600e`s with no probs..

Personaly Ive had no luck with the couple of CC85`s Ive had, but it wasent due to over amping, one just stopped working while I was setting it up, and the other just stopped working about 2 minutes into its first flight, I actually replaced it with an Align 75 amp which worked fine.

Hopefuly the one with the heli is the 100 amp, then I would just use that one to be safe, if its the 75 amp just use the stock motor.

Do you know if its the Align 75 or 100 amp??? Ive run the 100 amp and scorpion 4025 1100kv in my 600e for maybe 2 years of hard flying in very hot climate with no probs, never even gets warm.

Im kind of relieved to hear 600e`s spike at 120 amps, Im useing an Align 100 amp in my aeroplane that spikes at 105 amps and I was really worried until now. (and thats with the stock motor too not the Scorpion)

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06-04-2010 08:05 AM  7 years agoPost 76
LonR

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He told me what esc it is but to be honest I can't remember which one .I do know its a Align esc and has the Align 600XL motor haha .I'll know by Monday because thats when the heli gets here,Could be Saturday .
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Maybe I shouldn't open the esc package,sell it and get one for a 6 to 8 cell max setup because thats all I want anyways.I should of made a thread asking questions before jumping the gun knowing I never did this before .

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06-04-2010 08:21 AM  7 years agoPost 77
Spitfire1

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I know lots of people are useing the CC85hv together with the 4025 1100kv and dont seem to be haveing any problems so I would not worry about it too much, I would say on Castles website where they recomend the ICE100 is just because thats what there selling now, Im sure before they were selling ICE esc`s the reccomendation would have been the CC85.

Do a quik read through older posts and you will see that seems to be the motor/esc combo that the majority of guys on this forum are useing with there Trex 600`s on 6s.

You have to remember these Logo 500/600 guys are in a different league to us lot with our elcheapo Align Trex 600`s, only the best will do for them guys.. There fancy Kontronic esc`s probly cost more than our entire helis do

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06-05-2010 09:04 AM  7 years agoPost 78
LonRElite Veteran - Macomb,Mi - My Posts: All  Forum  Topic

I got the heli and esc today so all im waiting for is the batterys.Would anyone happen to know what 2 cell pack I need to run 8 cells with the batterys I bought?I know i'll need Flightmax 30C lipos but what mAh?Should I get the Scorpion 4025 890KV because the Scorpion 4020-1100KV is a 6 cell only motor.If anything,what mAh 4 cells do I need?Not sure if i'll run the three 6 cells on the stock setup and save for 6-8 4cell packs.Heres a few pics,didn't get far other than putting the servos in.Im VERY happy with this for what I paid because it looks brand new other than 2 small scratches on the swash plate .In the next week I wanna see how much it will cost to have my 1 year olds pic airbrushed on the canopy then buy a nother one to fly with haha.





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06-05-2010 09:29 AM  7 years agoPost 79
Spitfire1

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Your correct the 1100 is up to 6s, the 890 is up to 8 cells.
http://www.scorpionsystem.com/catal...4025-890-12N8P/

You had better go with the 4025 890 kv. Either try a search on here for the right pinion or have a go of mr mels headspead converter:

http://www.readyheli.com/headspeed-calculator.html

What I do is put in the specs for say Trex 600 with the stock motor on 6s to get a benchmark on the headspead numbers that it generates, then put in the Scorpion 890kv, choose 8s and keep changeing the pinion till you get similar numbers.

As you will see when you press generate, there a few different headspeads generated for different circumstances such as when bogged e.t.c

This is why I suggest to put the figures in for a stock Trex 600e with the stock motor and stock pinion first, this will give you some idea of what figures your aiming for.

As for the 2s pack, if possible your after the same brand, same c rateing 5000 mah one, but I would suggest getting 2*4s packs that are exactly the same, that weigh the same as one 6s 5000, better still find out what other people are useing, its likely going to be smaller than 5000mah, maybe 3800 - 4000 but not sure.

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06-05-2010 04:50 PM  7 years agoPost 80
McKrackin

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Lucasville,Ohio

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My 2S RX pack was 1800mAh and I would fly around 5 or 6 flights before charging it.Never put it on the smart charger so I don't know what I was putting back but I know it charged in around 30 minutes at 0.9amp so it wasn't much.

I sorta built the heli around the 2S pack so I charged it in the heli.That's why I used the tiny little charger that would fit in the frame.

I know,I know about the taboo over this but I charged it in a safe location and kept an eye on it and I would have never complained if the heli burned up.I wouldn't want to add fuel to the lipo bashers fire

I literally never use the word literally right.

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