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HelicopterSynergy R/CSynergy N9 › N9 crash costs "too expensive?"
06-03-2010 01:38 AM  7 years agoPost 61
Helico-pteron

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So if has been your main heli for two years, you bought it before it had metal grips. How did that work out for you?

I think the point everyone is trying to make is, cheerleaders like you will stretch the truth as far as possible until someone agrees with you. You surround yourself in this little bubble of fiction.

Look, if you don't mind spending the high prices for an N9. More power to ya.

Oh and the N9 is not the Mercedes, the Kasama 90 is. The N9 is just a wanna be kit car.

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06-03-2010 03:19 AM  7 years agoPost 62
ch-47c

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Oh and the N9 is not the Mercedes, the Kasama 90 is. The N9 is just a wanna be kit car
I thought we were discussing N9s as opposed to Trex 700s. Not a bling manufacturer that came out with something of their own called a Schmuck.

Tyler your post is so funny. I have no doubt and believe you that each is true. We did discuss an issue once by PM that we both had and you sounded reasonable. I just haven't had the problems everyone here claims. My tank did foam at first, but I redialed the fan hub and it stopped.

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06-03-2010 03:39 AM  7 years agoPost 63
Helico-pteron

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Not a bling manufacturer that came out with something of their own called a Schmuck.
LOL, we are, stop changing the subject. The N9 is too expensive.

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06-03-2010 03:41 AM  7 years agoPost 64
pariah

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So if has been your main heli for two years, you bought it before it had metal grips. How did that work out for you?
My N9 came with the metal grips... in the box. Maybe the hobby shop I bought it from added it as part of a package deal and I'm just remembering wrong. It was a package deal. I know I've never had the plastic N9 grips. And as I've said - I've had zero issues.
I think the point everyone is trying to make is, cheerleaders like you will stretch the truth as far as possible until someone agrees with you. You surround yourself in this little bubble of fiction.
Don't paint that on me so quickly. My first post in this thread was me looking for input; I've added to it, and the result so far is that I had missed a number of rather expensive parts - the crown gear, and torque tube, for example. I also missed the quantities of some parts - like the main mast and spindle, which makes them significantly cheaper on the 700. The end result is that the N9 isn't as competitive as I'd initially thought - instead of being fairly close, with only a few percent difference, it is as much as 35% more. I even updated the first post to state that.

That being said, I don't appreciate it when people bring their laundry list of problems that they solved by buying upgrades, and insist that an upgrade is somehow the same thing as a crash repair. They're not the same thing.
Oh and the N9 is not the Mercedes, the Kasama 90 is. The N9 is just a wanna be kit car.
I never claimed otherwise (ch-47c made that particular statement). I've not seen anything in the N9 that would give it "wannabe" status - it's up there with the better quality kits out there; certainly in the same league as the Stratus, Aurora, Turbulence, and 700. I've not seen the Srimok in person, though the Henseleit machines I've seen are most impressive.
I thought we were discussing N9s as opposed to Trex 700s.
Not the kit itself, not things like one man's opinion of quality, design strengths, etc. I was comparing the cost of repair parts on the N9 against the 700, which is known for low cost. The thought of adding the Stratus, Turbulence, and Aurora entered my mind, as they are also competitors to the N9, but I didn't feel like more than doubling the size of the list.


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06-03-2010 03:46 AM  7 years agoPost 65
Helico-pteron

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Fine, you win man. You made your point, the N9 is the same price and anyone that says otherwise is a blowhard.

What was I thinking?

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06-03-2010 03:48 AM  7 years agoPost 66
pariah

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Fine, you win man. You made your point, the N9 is the same price and anyone that says otherwise is a blowhard.
?!? I just said the Trex 700 is about 35% cheaper than the N9...


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06-03-2010 03:57 AM  7 years agoPost 67
ch-47c

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LOL, we are, stop changing the subject.
Sorry

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06-03-2010 04:00 AM  7 years agoPost 68
baddynergy

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I think the point everyone is trying to make is, cheerleaders like you will stretch the truth as far as possible until someone agrees with you. You surround yourself in this little bubble of fiction
EVERY manufacturer has cheerleaders ESPECIALLY Align. Face it the Synergy isnt for everyone, but some of us really LOVE the way the fly, REGARDLESS of price.

Fine, you dont like Synergies anymore... MOVE ON you made your point known.

I for one have had many Synergies. and they have been the best damn flying heli I have ever owned. YES I spent sh!tloads of money on FBH and hyper upgrades but it was because it was what I wanted to do NOT because it needed it. I wanted something different than every freakin heli at the field, I got exactly what I wanted.

So much hate and hostility in this thread it makes me wanna puke.

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06-03-2010 04:01 AM  7 years agoPost 69
cation3

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Un-subscribed....

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06-03-2010 04:31 AM  7 years agoPost 70
carzan

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N9 is an expensive heli but,

It's also the sexyist design on the market!

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06-03-2010 04:41 AM  7 years agoPost 71
Chuck Bole

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Yep the Synergy is a little more expensive than some other helis..
Can't comment on dialing fan hubs, or start shafts ect.. I have thrashed my share of tail gears. Probly enough to buy a couple sets of blades. Finally figured out not to spool it up in normal with the stick below center on throttle.

Anyway my E Stratus was expensive, my E Trex 700 was expensive, my logo 14 was expensive, my E raptor was expensive, my Vigor was expensive.. Crap! they are all expensive.. If you want to fly a M/A heli great! if you want to fly a Trex great!, if ya want to fly a Kasama great! If you want to fly a Synergy great!..

Just go fly some more have fun flying what you want to fly...

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06-03-2010 05:13 AM  7 years agoPost 72
ch-47c

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Oh and the N9 is not the Mercedes, the Kasama 90 is. The N9 is just a wanna be kit car.
I didn't make the above claim. I made the following prior to the above.
Maybe if you can't afford a Mercedes, you should buy a Chevy. Or buy apples if you want them and oranges if you'd rather.
All rc helis are expensive. And there are a lot of more expensive cars besides MB.

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06-03-2010 05:13 AM  7 years agoPost 73
pariah

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I have thrashed my share of tail gears.
OK, by this do you mean the crown gear and its mate, or the two beveled gears in the tail box? I ask because I did have a question about if the beveled gears in the tail box can be removed from the crash part list. If you've had to replace them often enough, then they obviously should stay on the list.


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06-03-2010 05:17 AM  7 years agoPost 74
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I ask because I did have a question about if the beveled gears in the tail box can be removed from the crash part list. If you've had to replace them often enough, then they obviously should stay on the list
In my 3 yrs of flying Synergies and beating the snot out of them. I have only repleced both tailbox gears and crown once, and only then because I went in backwards and inverted shoving the boom past the mainshaft.

It all depends on how you crash on any heli that determines what gets replaced.

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06-03-2010 05:22 AM  7 years agoPost 75
Chuck Bole

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Sorry, didn't want to ramble on..
The bevel gears in the tail case.. Mine was a little different circumstance tho.. I bought my Synergy with intentions of converting
to E power from the git go.. So i was shoving quite a bit more RPMs
and Torque thru it than normal. If i attempted to spool it up in normal mode and slowly ramp up the throttle stick, the neg. pitch would plant the thing solidly in place and if you even breathed on the rudder it would rip the gears out.. When i started it in flight mode 1 with hold on and flipped off hold with the throttle stick at center stick, and let the slow start on the Powerjazz spool it up the tail problem went away.. The only in flight tail failure i had was from it slinging a tail blade grip in flight.. Thats another story tho...

By the way it now has one Hyper metal gear and one stock plastic gear in it now..

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06-03-2010 05:59 AM  7 years agoPost 76
pariah

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Sorry, didn't want to ramble on..
No worries. It's appreciated. That's gotta be some wicked torque you've got there in your E powered Synergy. I wonder what the current draw is... (idle wondering; you need not reply).
I didn't make the above claim. I made the following prior to the above.
Maybe if you can't afford a Mercedes, you should buy a Chevy. Or buy apples if you want them and oranges if you'd rather.
You were the only person to mention Mercedes; it seems that I made the same mistake that helicopteron did. Either way, I was getting tired of having him argue against a point I never made, and I was pointing out that he was trying to put words in my mouth.

I've been trying pretty hard to keep the whole conversation on my initial question: I ran the numbers for crash repair costs, and didn't see the huge cost savings claimed by Align fans. It just didn't add up - my initial numbers showed the N9 as cheaper than the Trex 700. So I made my initial post. I got feedback, and updated the numbers. Now the numbers are more realistic.

Then a few tried to hijack the thread, throwing in long posts that had nothing to do with crash repairs. I'm not going to put up with it. This isn't meant to be a shouting match about what heli is "better" - I've never said anything bad about the 700.


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06-03-2010 06:07 AM  7 years agoPost 77
Chuck Bole

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Don't really know at present.. It's running 14S thru a 470 Kv motor,
and changing pinions at the moment. Going from a 11T to a 12T.

chuck

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06-03-2010 09:22 AM  7 years agoPost 78
dan-uk

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I've not seen anything in the N9 that would give it "wannabe" status - it's up there with the better quality kits out there; certainly in the same league as the Stratus, Aurora, Turbulence, and 700. I've not seen the Srimok in person, though the Henseleit machines I've seen are most impressive.
There is quite a varying degree in the cost of parts amongst all of the kits you mention... needless to say that if Matt is going reduce the price of N9 parts then that is absolutely great!

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06-03-2010 02:57 PM  7 years agoPost 79
ch-47c

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Yes Im the only one to mention Mercedes. It was the knock on the post not by you that I was responding. I agree with you 100% pariah. Your comparisons are fair. I've been on the Synergy thread for only 2 yrs+ and you have always had reasonable posts. Speaking of tail gears Ive wacked them so many times with autos, quickstops, and tailslides, yet Ive never stripped one. And they are original plastic and not metal. Why they don't strip is beyond me. I should have replaced them 5 times which would be $180, but so far $0.
Tyler and helico-pteron have legit complaints too, although tylers were funny and I know he is serious. I also agree whole-heartedly with baddynergy. He pretty much capsulized it.

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06-03-2010 04:43 PM  7 years agoPost 80
pariah

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Tyler and helico-pter have legit complaints too, although rulers were funny and I know he is serious.
Legit, yes - the N9 definitely had teething problems. So did the Avant Aurora - in both cases it was their first heli. As is common for all helis, there were aftermarket parts that addressed the problems. And, of course, those parts cost money.

The complaints, while legit, were also off-topic. I was trying to concentrate very strictly on the crash repair costs. They were trying to bring in the cost of the upgrades - and if they're going to do that, you might as well note that the kit itself is about $300 more for the Synergy vs. the basic un-upgraded Trex 700.

Oddly enough, the parts cost for Synergy crash repairs is about 30-35%. This isn't too surprising, given the kit itself costs about 30-35% more.

And you can spend hundreds on upgrades for either heli.


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