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06-02-2010 06:11 AM  7 years agoPost 41
pariah

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Maybe if you can't afford a Mercedes, you should buy a Chevy.
My argument would be more along the lines of "don't crash your car when you have a sim".

Don't tempt fate with a real helicopter. It's not worth the time or money if you crash your heli, or worse, hurt somebody else.


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06-02-2010 06:31 AM  7 years agoPost 42
carcrasher

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00boto
I read somewhere that a TT version on the N5 was going to be released in the future and possibly a belt version of the N9. Could the plastic blade grips be included again with the N9? Perhaps made of better/stronger plastic or designed differently? To tell you the truth I liked my N9 with the plastic grips and bearing blocks.

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06-02-2010 05:05 PM  7 years agoPost 43
00boto

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carcrasher,

I liked the plastic blade grips as well but they were not reliable. I don't foresee Synergy going back to plastic any time soon. To be frank, I think Mikado plastic main blade grips are the only ones I would trust out of all manufacturers. They are experts in that arena.

Matt

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06-02-2010 05:27 PM  7 years agoPost 44
Tyler

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I have never dealt with Matt before, but I gave up on my two senergys because I was tired of being whipped like a despised pup...

The following statements are quotes I reeceived over the course of owning two machines for two years. All quotes came from the previous synergy camp leader or team pilots:

Your tank is foaming because you run an os

your tank still foamswith your new us because you don't have a hatori pipe

your tank foams with your new us and new hatori because you use an os #8 plug instead of an enya3

your tank still foams with your new ys, hatori, enya3,because you don't fly cool power. All other fuel is junk.

Your tank still fos because you can't dial indicate. Most people can't. Pull your engine so we can check it.

Your tank still fos after you proved you did dial to less than one half of a thousandths TOTAL runout. You need new tank dampeners and new fuel tank and bunge.

You need to learn to tune your engine.

You need metal motor mounts.

somthing is wrong with your hyperhub.

You need metal bearing blocks.

You can't build a torque tube properly, ship it to California and I'll rebuild it right.

The torque tube I built for you failed because I asked a team pilot to do itfor me.

Now you need a hyper tail.

We never strip crown gears in flight. You don't know how to set up a gyro.

Our crown gears survive crashes

our main gear is warped because of how much we lighten them. Nobody else has a problem. It will wear in after a couple of gallons. Our oversized gear is revolutionary.

Don't use the stock tail blades they are too big and we know that.

It isn't heavy, you just need a longer flybar.

You need longer ball standoffs.

You have interaction because of your radio.

That interaction is cingular from you inferior JR servos. Oh, you are using Futaba digitals. Then you need to check your linkage and brand new updated chre balls for proper sizing.

Plastic blade grips are lighter make bearings last longer and reduce vibrations. Our design is superior. Oops now you need metal blade grips to prevent failures, to track better and reduce vibrations.

I can uninstall an eengine in two minutes. You must be doing something wrong if your starter couple gets stuck to the clutch stack.

Heavier flies better. Now save weight with carbon and fewer frame blocks.

Tail belts are for raptors.

Your canopy screws vibrate out because they are not the new SE versions.

It will track better with metal wash out arms.

There isn't anything wrong with our tail hub but we upgraded it due to gossip that a few have failed.

We know parts are expensive. We plan to drop the
prices by at least 20% in the
next two weeks. Watch the website.

Our main frames are not too close together. We did this to reduce vibration and front profile.

Your heavy heli bogs easily because you don't have
collective
managemennt.

I believe you can seenu point guys. I had to throw in the
towel. The funny thing is now that I have a different machine I can amazingly dial indicate, balance, tune, use the
engine cbo and fuel of my choice. Nothing falls off. I can do repairs quickly if I dork it. I have better tracking, better autos, and I just fuel and fly gallon after gallon. Imagine that.

Sorry for errors, I typed this on my phone...

Enjoy things that money can buy IF you don't lose the things money can't buy.

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06-02-2010 05:50 PM  7 years agoPost 45
pariah

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Again: The point of this thread isn't to air out past grievances. It's about the costs of repair parts.

Please stay on topic, or make your own thread instead of trying to hijack somebody else's.


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06-02-2010 06:11 PM  7 years agoPost 46
Tyler

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My post is on topic, especially when you consider the extreme cost of ownership I endured.

Enjoy things that money can buy IF you don't lose the things money can't buy.

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06-02-2010 06:16 PM  7 years agoPost 47
carzan

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N9=Big Bucks

I gave up on our two N9s because of the cost associated with the machine. IMHO other heli's are much less expensive to repair/maintain.

I hope the N5 will not be this way!

Good luck Matt!!!

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06-02-2010 06:34 PM  7 years agoPost 48
Tyler

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Technically, every time I was that I was forced to upgrade to fix their design and manufacturing faults, I would consider those as repairs. Not necessarily crash repairs, but repairs for bum parts nonetheless.

How many guys fly stock n9's? You must factor in the cost to repair upgraded and/ or aftermarket parts.

My $980 n9 had well over $700 in repairs to the poor design. I did this times two!!

Please show my your calculations that depict value with these facts considered.

Read my signature about figures carefully. You will realize that n9 cheerleaders feel the need to justify what they spend on their synergy. I did. I won't any more. My new heeli costs 1/4 of a single n9 and it is profoundly more reliable and flies much better.

Sorry still on my phone.

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06-02-2010 08:27 PM  7 years agoPost 49
pariah

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Please show my your calculations that depict value with these facts considered.
Your N9 experience must be a bit out of date...

There's nothing to consider, as far as 'fixing' the table for upgrade prices. The figures are accurate for the parts you can get for the N9.

There are no 'upgrade' parts to speak of for the Synergy, aside from colored bling from Kasama. The currently shipping model, the N9SE, includes the "upgrade" parts you seem to be referring to. Synergy even worked out many of the issues with the tail drive - at least to the point I don't have any.

The SE has been shipping for two years now, or half of the N9's total lifetime. I've had none of the problems you describe with my SE, and have needed nothing other than the stock OEM parts. In fact, I've had zero issues with my N9 of any kind.

From the first moment I spun up the rotors on my N9, I've had nothing but the smoothest flying, most rock-solid helicopter I've ever owned.


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06-02-2010 08:48 PM  7 years agoPost 50
Tyler

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Wow, another senergys with no problems. Imagine that!!

I guess I was wrong all along. I suppose I was indeed told the truth during this entire adventure. I am a total heli defunct.

Perhaps the heli fairies are respnsible for my current heli success. Thank you heli fairies. I owe you big time.

Heli fairies work for free so they shall not be added to the cost of ownership or repairs.

Enjoy things that money can buy IF you don't lose the things money can't buy.

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06-02-2010 09:19 PM  7 years agoPost 51
carcrasher

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Pariah
The first N9's out(non "SE" )had the issues Tyler describes in his post. I had one of the first N9's actually it was from their 2nd or 3rd batch(non "SE" ). Some of the problems that Tyler mentioned I also had. I knew about the N9 WAY before it came out when I (along with others) spoke to JK and TB at a 3d school at length about it. Many of the things that were on the original N9 were designed that way to make the heli easier to work on, cheaper to fix and so it would have lower parts count(which it does). The whole plastic center motor mount was meant to isolate vibration from the motor, the plastic bearing blocks were meant to prolong bearing life, the plastic blade grips the same. This was told to me by JK and TB at the school. So before the "SE" the only way to fix the issues with the earlier N9 was to buy the hyper-performance upgrades or buy more OEM parts and hope these parts were made correctly. then the "SE comes out with all metal motor mount,blade grips(main and tail), , and metal bearing blocks which was a total contradiction to what JK and TB said why they designed the heli the way they did. So while you never had any of the issues that Tyler, myself and anyone who had an earlier version of the N9(non "SE" )had. I can relate to Tyler on spending FAR to much money on trying to fix the issues that the original N9 had or eventually upgrading the original N9 to SE specs.

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06-02-2010 09:31 PM  7 years agoPost 52
Tyler

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What I find so interesting is the pm's I have been receiving that seem to verify that I am not at all alone in my experience.

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06-02-2010 10:17 PM  7 years agoPost 53
pariah

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I guess I was wrong all along. I suppose I was indeed told the truth during this entire adventure. I am a total heli defunct.

Perhaps the heli fairies are respnsible for my current heli success. Thank you heli fairies. I owe you big time.

Heli fairies work for free so they shall not be added to the cost of ownership or repairs.
Was that really necessary? I state that the SE fixed the issues you had, and did so two years ago, and I get treated like that?

They don't sell non-SE's any more. Why add in upgrade costs that simply don't exist?

The table I have is for the current prices for the current N9 parts. Things were different a few years back. That doesn't mean there haven't been improvements since then, lessons learned, etc.


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06-02-2010 10:34 PM  7 years agoPost 54
carcrasher

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Hopefully Matt will improve the N9 and parts will be cheaper. I'm sure non SE N9's are still out there.

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06-03-2010 12:36 AM  7 years agoPost 55
cation3

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Just for the sake of discussion: There is no such thing (yet) as an "SE N9". If someone buys an N9 today, they get the original (albeit slightly modified from initial release) kit plus metal main blade grips. None of the other SE parts are included.

Am I wrong?

-Drew

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06-03-2010 01:02 AM  7 years agoPost 56
Helico-pteron

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You will realize that n9 cheerleaders feel the need to justify what they spend on their synergy. I did. I won't any more. My new heeli costs 1/4 of a single n9 and it is profoundly more reliable and flies much better.
+1 Tyler!

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06-03-2010 01:04 AM  7 years agoPost 57
Helico-pteron

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The SE has been shipping for two years now, or half of the N9's total lifetime. I've had none of the problems you describe with my SE, and have needed nothing other than the stock OEM parts. In fact, I've had zero issues with my N9 of any kind.
LOL, SE kit? No such thing because it never happened. Just because you have metal grips in your kit doesn't make it an SE kit.

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06-03-2010 01:05 AM  7 years agoPost 58
Helico-pteron

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What I find so interesting is the pm's I have been receiving that seem to verify that I am not at all alone in my experience.
Because you're not.

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06-03-2010 01:06 AM  7 years agoPost 59
Helico-pteron

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How long have you owned your N9 pariah?

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06-03-2010 01:26 AM  7 years agoPost 60
pariah

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My N9 has been my main heli for two years.


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