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06-06-2010 02:08 AM  7 years agoPost 241
Dennis (passed)

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You can choose any two of the above items and the 3rd will suffer. We all want our cars and our way of life and we want it cheap. We (the market) dictate that one. That leaves the oil producers to balance the other 2 as much as possible and they (the producers) want to produce it as fast as possible. So guess what ultimately suffers?
I think your are hinting at "Safety" suffering. But, I will have to disagree.

1) This is the first for the USA that a deep sea well leaked like this. Its totally unprecedented.

2) Most all workers WANT to be safe, and their management WANTS them to be safe. There are a few exceptions. But, they are just that. Exceptions. Maybe BP is an exception. But, by the odds, I doubt it overall.

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06-06-2010 03:38 AM  7 years agoPost 242
Rappy 60

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Rappy 60 You say there is no way to of crimping the riser but they can shear it. I have read no reports to CONFIRM that the drill rod is still inside. And if it is, you could still crimp by forming the tool around the drill. It would not of sealed but could have slowed in down.
Oh the drill pipe is definitely inside the riser. As Marc explained they do not want to slam the formation by shutting in the well from the top. As mark pointed out the well is compromised as I hinted about corrosion. The annulus packers (the area between the casing and the well walls) has been possible compromised, as a result if you shut in from the top without killing the well that pressure will push against the well walls and fracture below the well head.

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06-06-2010 03:46 AM  7 years agoPost 243
TRACERBOB

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Well in this case the only real solution is the relief wells. MarkC, you make a good point about the integrity of the BOP what could happen if it's capped from above. Not a good scenario.

The whole situation is frustrating and seeing those heart wrenching photos of wild life covered in brown crap makes my blood boil.

Life is hard. Harder when your stupid

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06-06-2010 04:09 AM  7 years agoPost 244
Jerry K

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As Marc explained they do not want to slam the formation by shutting in the well from the top. As mark pointed out the well is compromised as I hinted about corrosion. The annulus packers (the area between the casing and the well walls) has been possible compromised, as a result if you shut in from the top without killing the well that pressure will push against the well walls and fracture below the well head
Isn't that what a BOP does?

Jerry

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06-06-2010 04:19 AM  7 years agoPost 245
helibeast

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BP chief Tony Hayward sold shares weeks before oil spill
The chief executive of BP sold £1.4 million of his shares in the fuel giant weeks before the Gulf of Mexico oil spill caused its value to collapse.
Tony Hayward cashed in about a third of his holding in the company one month before a well on the Deepwater Horizon rig burst, causing an environmental disaster.

Mr Hayward, whose pay package is £4 million a year, then paid off the mortgage on his family’s mansion in Kent, which is estimated to be valued at more than £1.2 million.
Tony Hayward cashed in about a third of his holding in the company one month before a well on the Deepwater Horizon rig burst, causing an environmental disaster.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/...-oil-spill.html

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06-06-2010 04:37 AM  7 years agoPost 246
Rappy 60

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Isn't that what a BOP does?
Yes that is exactly what a BOP does with the addition of killing the well. That is the purpose of the choke and kill lines. They pump mud down the kill line to "kill" the well. However in this case the packer seals have been compromised.
Well in this case the only real solution is the relief wells. MarkC, you make a good point about the integrity of the BOP what could happen if it's capped from above. Not a good scenario.
It's not the BOP that is compromised it's the well that is.

Dale

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06-06-2010 05:59 AM  7 years agoPost 247
max232

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Well, that ugliness is finally making its way to my home town. It's in Pensacola today and it will be here by next weekend. Thanks BP. You suck and I hope you go out of business over this. You rat bastards. That's about as much as I can say without getting "pinked".
I hear ya, this blows, had to cancel a fishing trip with my dad today,might as well sell the boat

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06-06-2010 07:04 AM  7 years agoPost 248
Metalizer

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TRACERBOB

Don't let these guys fool you. Even though there thoughts are genuine. The BOP is Sound as far as being able to hold pressure or at less replace the flange with a new riser already installed and funneling oil to multiple Vessels which would eliminate the high pressures that some believe would damage the well below.

Big oil is just trying so hard to PISS us OFF till we BREAK DOWN!

So we will let them drill on LAND knowing it is so much safer. It would be WAAAaaayyyy cheaper to drill on land.

Then there is the government that want's to BREAK! us off of Fossil Fuels into alternative energies.

I guess this is one way to make change for any particular reasone without a fight.a

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06-06-2010 07:50 AM  7 years agoPost 249
MPA

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I wonder why they don't just tune their computers to http://www.runryder.com to find all the answers they're looking for.

We have one guy that spells worse than a third grader and another who spends a paragraph talking about how stupid his employees are; but they both know how to fix a well a mile deep in the ocean.
Horse feathers.

Clearly at BP have no confidence in these shade tree monkeys.
Evidence to the fact:

TECH/SUGGESTIONS (281) 366-5511
http://www.deepwaterhorizonresponse...doc/2931/546759

They want to hear from anyone in the world with a telephone with suggestions on how to fix it.
If they had any confidence in the ability of the people they currently use to resolve this issue, they would not be asking any punter who cares to call them to offer ideas on how to fix it.

Maybe they should look at to RR, there seems to be a few here who have all the know how and are deep well drilling engineers.

Qualified enough to tell me I could not possibly come up with any idea on how to resolve the capture of the oil leaking out of it.
Without even contemplating the solution I have in mind.

I could make a containment system for all the oil leaking inside a week and have flown to the location from Australia.
All they need is a steam boiler on ship.
And a tanker alongside to take the oil.
Plug in my containment unit and lower it over the pipe.
Turn on and all leakage from the well head will cease to mix with the surrounding sea water and 100% of the leaking oil will be able to be captured at the surface to a bucket brigade of tankers.

I manufacture complex machinery that if it fails, can kill people.
There is no condition of operation that is not considered to the enth degree to ensure that what is designed works precisely as planned, first time and everytime for at least the next ten years.

An engineer saying something to the effect of "It may work" has just admitted total failure, has admitted he is too damn lazy to account for and test every possible condition of operation and create a resolution to ensure that forseen failure does not occur, ever.

Right now the person who is deciding what is to be done has this attitude.
Best of luck with that, you'll need it.

My plan will fix the problem, I have tested the principle before extensively and it works.
It has no moving parts, it will not fail.

But say you dont need my idea.
Fine.
I live in Australia, the oil wont be coming to my beach.
Your problem and I dont have the spare time or inclination to debate the merits of my plan let alone argue the point.

Ill just sit here and wath the cameras and await the news of the outcome.
http://www.bp.com/genericarticle.do...ntentId=7062605

Happy Trails.

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06-06-2010 02:10 PM  7 years agoPost 250
fla heli boy

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so MPA, did you submit your plan??? Just curious.....

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06-06-2010 02:23 PM  7 years agoPost 251
neilg.

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http://www.examiner.com/x-13590-New...ody-in-congress

13 minutes into her BS

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06-06-2010 02:47 PM  7 years agoPost 252
Rappy 60

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Don't let these guys fool you. Even though there thoughts are genuine. The BOP is Sound as far as being able to hold pressure or at less replace the flange with a new riser already installed and funneling oil to multiple Vessels which would eliminate the high pressures that some believe would damage the well below.
No one said that the BOP won't hold pressure, it's the well that is the problem. Someone asked why they can't put a valve onto the top of the BOP, and the answer is the well is compromised. If they remove the flange then they have to put a swivel joint above the flange which will create some back pressure. Then on top of that you have to worry about hydrates.

Metalizer seems to be an expert so I'll leave this thread gracefully and he can explain well interventions to you guys.

Good luck,

Dale

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06-06-2010 03:28 PM  7 years agoPost 253
SSN Pru

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the 60 minutes interview a few weeks back explained that the well bore was destroyed on the first well that they drilled which costs BP tens of millions all because they pushed too hard and drilled faster than what the well bore would support. The bore collapsed and trapped all of the drill equipment within it.

Is that also what happened to the blown out well do you think?

Stupidity can be cured. Ignorance is for life!

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06-06-2010 03:45 PM  7 years agoPost 254
neilg.

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if there was flexibility when the rig collapsed would the piping been compromised?

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06-07-2010 03:35 AM  7 years agoPost 255
MPA

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so MPA, did you submit your plan??? Just curious.....
No
Its not complex, they'll probably figure it out themselves in due course or something that achieves the same end.
There are a few ways to skin a cat.

Latest is they have yet another containment to try, and might get around to trying it some time next week.
That is a patent admission the one they use now (the second one) is a failure.
And look at the ROV cams as Ive done for hours on end, this is obvious to anyone with the most rudimentary understanding of plumbing.

2 fails, best of of 3 perhaps.
But we wont know for another week.

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06-07-2010 10:59 AM  7 years agoPost 256
Learn to Fly

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I only have one thing to say...

F-U BP!!!!!!!!!!!! I hate you for what you did to MY ocean, MY country. I hope you rot in hell, all of you lying bastards.

Guys stop arguing about this, use your energy to help out with the mess!!!! You guys will NEVER agree about anything so get over it and help out!!!

I for one am making plans now to travel down and help with the birds.


Jeff
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06-07-2010 11:42 AM  7 years agoPost 257
uk sailor

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As the Tag suggests i'm from the UK and it is British Petroleum that is invloved. Good for you doing something positive regards the birds. I agree with you in regards comtempt for companies which put profit ahead of the safety of worker or the enviroment.
However you refer to your country and your ocean I look at it in terms of our world which we all live in. We are all to blame, for who we elect and and the engines of commerce we fuel. How much enviromental terrorism is George Bush responsible for ?
For things to change in all spheres we all need to have changed priorities.
An example of which is how quick to shout those who run gas gusslers are when the price of fuel goes up despite the fact it is very very cheap compared to UK prices.
Is that off the point well it might seem so, but until we are prepared to change our lives the coporations will continue to do what ever brings the best bottom line, including products which are knowingly injurous to health, or those companies which put out products with known faults but allow death and paying compensation is better business.
It is easy to ignore disasters which happen around the other side of the globe or away from our own back yards, but doesn't make it right.

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06-07-2010 12:37 PM  7 years agoPost 258
Jerry K

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How much enviromental terrorism is George Bush responsible for ?
Get over it!!! It is time to move on.

Jerry

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06-07-2010 12:39 PM  7 years agoPost 259
SSN Pru

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I agree, time to move on. It's been a year and a half since he left office.

Stupidity can be cured. Ignorance is for life!

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06-07-2010 01:44 PM  7 years agoPost 260
uk sailor

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"Get over it" I used him as one easy example of protecting power companies and oil concerns ahead of the enviroment. He might be gone but his legacy lives on. I don't need to get over him I never voted for him but my point is every one needs to look at who they elect and what their position is for the enviroment or is it just business as usual as long as i'm alright.
Do you buy cheap or buy sustainable ?
There were those who made light of this tragedy, it is all attitude. I hope all those proved to corporately irresponsible are penalised to the point of nobody thinking it worth the risks that can result in such events occuring.
When refering to MY COUNTRY did you know mans chemicals are now detectable in all areas of the worlds oceans ?
I am as concerned at the attitudes that allowed not only this event but the possibility of further such events where ever they may occur.

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