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06-05-2010 04:37 AM  7 years agoPost 221
Metalizer

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No! No! There to scared to say anything to the boss. Like thats not a very good idea. Or i can see the steam coming of your head from that thought. The big wiggs think they know it all an probabaly won't listen to anything someone else has to say.
I would bet one of my helis that over half of BP Crew knows every thing they where about to try was a bad plan.

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06-05-2010 04:45 AM  7 years agoPost 222
Metalizer

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The only good plan was the top kill. But why in the hell didnt they try to crimp the riser in a few places on the floor. Would not of done no more damage and may have created enough pressure to force the mud and oil down.

Something realy realy fishy going on here. Even with our government. Almost like they want this to go on.

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06-05-2010 04:49 AM  7 years agoPost 223
Dennis (passed)

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I would bet one of my helis that over half of BP Crew knows every thing they where about to try was a bad plan.
BP is not the only oil company in the world. And, their experienced employees are not the only ones in the world.

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06-05-2010 04:50 AM  7 years agoPost 224
nitro fun

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There Equipment and hire there good personal that knows what there doing but probably is to scared to say anything.
if someone had a different plan to stop it they would not want the responsibility. if you touch it then you would be the next in line for a law suit.

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06-05-2010 04:51 AM  7 years agoPost 225
Metalizer

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OK but i dont get your point Dennis

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06-05-2010 04:55 AM  7 years agoPost 226
Metalizer

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True Nitro. Thats why i say The United States needs to take it over before they make it worse.

Crap... I wander if thats want BP is tring to achieve?

Obama wont pay for it and BP so badly wants the Tax payer to pick up the bills. Thats the main reason for such a slow start on both sides.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/...i_n_590635.html

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06-05-2010 05:36 AM  7 years agoPost 227
nitro fun

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The environmental wackos should flip the bill, they are the one that do not want drilling close to shore, or on land, and force oil companies into deep water.

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06-05-2010 12:13 PM  7 years agoPost 228
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I found some of what this guy had to say interesting....

http://www.aolnews.com/nation/artic...iminal/19502883

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06-05-2010 04:33 PM  7 years agoPost 229
Rappy 60

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The only good plan was the top kill. But why in the hell didnt they try to crimp the riser in a few places on the floor. Whould not of done no more damage and may have created enough pressure to force the mud and oil down.

Something realy realy fishy going on here. Even with our government. Almost like they want this to go on.
Again the riser is over 3" thick made of carbon steel and inconell inlay and also has a drill pipe in the middle. There is no way to crimp this pipe subsea in 5000' of water.

Also BP is not the only company working on solutions to stop the leak. I can assure you that Shell, Exxon and others are working with BP to stop the leak.

I can also assure you that BP does NOT want this to go on!!

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06-05-2010 05:46 PM  7 years agoPost 230
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if someone had a different plan to stop it they would not want the responsibility. if you touch it then you would be the next in line for a law suit.
That's a big load of bull**** there!You would be a hero if you came up with a plan that stopped it today,and if not,just join the crowd that took part in part of the solution.

Lots of "IF's" in this thread.IF we could give frogs wings,their asses wouldn't hit the ground when they hopped!Man that was easy,problem solved

Jamie Griffith

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06-05-2010 06:41 PM  7 years agoPost 231
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Well, that ugliness is finally making its way to my home town. It's in Pensacola today and it will be here by next weekend. Thanks BP. You suck and I hope you go out of business over this. You rat bastards. That's about as much as I can say without getting "pinked".

Life is hard. Harder when your stupid

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06-05-2010 09:27 PM  7 years agoPost 232
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Watching these video streams and looked at the images on the BP site.

All I can say is with that much obvious stupidity and incompetence visible to the eye, there is no hope.

A funnel over the oil discharge causing it not to all divert into a small column, but belch out the underside of the funnel, as you would expect, and increase the oil column size to about 5 foot wide.

And then, blowing disperstant at this column with a drinking straw.

BP cant afford to place and tie multiple disperstant lines supplied from a co located tanker.
Or make a spray ring pipe with outlets facing inward, to place around the column to disharge disperstant at the column from all directions.

Too costly for BP to do that.

So the ROV sits there wasting time and money pointing a drinking straw at the column of oil making out like it is doing something usefull.
That was previously a narrow column now turned into a wide one because of the funnel on it that has an outlet size that it simply is not possible to draw that amoung of oil through.

I think the commnand centre needs drug testing to see what dope they are all on.

And Wild Wells, the dopes building one uselss hunk of junk after that other they call a solution.
When welders get out tape measures, everyone shoud be worried.
Welders are brain dead.

I employ them, they are so stupid I had to create a system where all welded parts have locating tabs incoporated when they are laser cut so that the welders cannot weld the parts on the wrong way, crooked or otherwise which they always do, (they have cad 3d drawings to show them exactly how the part go together, but cant manage that) and do not need to use a tape measure or ruler (because they dont have a large enough brain to use one.)

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Sack Wild Wells, they are dumb as a bag of hammers and evidence to that is they trust unionised welders.
Look at the images, it took them 2 days just to paint the box they lowered down that failed to work, for obvious reasons if you look at it.
Now they have this funnel it is as dumb as the last effort.

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06-05-2010 10:04 PM  7 years agoPost 233
EvoFlight50

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I wonder why they don't just tune their computers to http://www.runryder.com to find all the answers they're looking for.

We have one guy that spells worse than a third grader and another who spends a paragraph talking about how stupid his employees are; but they both know how to fix a well a mile deep in the ocean.

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06-05-2010 10:19 PM  7 years agoPost 234
Dennis (passed)

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Thats funny.

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06-05-2010 10:21 PM  7 years agoPost 235
Metalizer

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And one guy__

who can't fill out his profile and lives in o0 that can write an entire paragraph with smilies.

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06-05-2010 11:34 PM  7 years agoPost 236
Rappy 60

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I wonder why they don't just tune their computers to http://www.runryder.com to find all the answers they're looking for.

We have one guy that spells worse than a third grader and another who spends a paragraph talking about how stupid his employees are; but they both know how to fix a well a mile deep in the ocean.
LOL. I think you hit the nail on the head. I like to call them couch chair engineers

Dale

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06-05-2010 11:53 PM  7 years agoPost 237
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They are currently using it to pump oil to the surface. The oil still pouring out is coming from vents on the side of the cap that they are closing in succession to prevent more crystals from forming.
Anybody know when they will try to close all the relief vents ?
Paul

I think about the hereafter. I go somewhere to get something, then wonder what I'm here after ?

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06-06-2010 12:09 AM  7 years agoPost 238
Metalizer

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Engineers

There are so many blueprints i have and have read from engineers that you could tell from reading have never spent a day in the tooling industry. Most are way over engineered, would have to be a mind reader to understand and make the process of making there parts more complicated.

But yes! a couch chair engineer would be me since i don't have a degree. LOL

Rappy 60 You say there is no way to of crimping the riser but they can shear it. I have read no reports to CONFIRM that the drill rod is still inside. And if it is, you could still crimp by forming the tool around the drill. It would not of sealed but could have slowed in down.

Can you tell me a reason why the top flange can not be removed and replaced?

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06-06-2010 12:29 AM  7 years agoPost 239
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Can you tell me a reason why the top flange can not be removed and replaced?
Why not this. Take the old flange off, put a flanged gate valve on, lining up one pair of holes. Secure it with one bolt. Then rotate it in place lining up the rest of the holes, bolt the sucker down and close the gate valve. Done. Not rocket science by any means.

Life is hard. Harder when your stupid

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06-06-2010 02:02 AM  7 years agoPost 240
Mark C

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Gotta get your head around the fact that they cannot cap the well from the top. In fact, they most likely DON NOT want to shut in the well at at all from the top. They were willing to try to pour heavy mud down the top of the well in hopes to get enough of it down to the bottom in order to kill it (Top Kill) but it failed - the blow-out is flowing too fast for that to work.

1st off, everything above the BOP is only designed to handle a couple thousand PSI. The BOP and everything under it is designed to hold up to 10,000+ PSI. Shutting in from above the BOP is not likely to work.

2nd and and most importantly there is likely casing damage. This well is incredibly compromised. It even looks like the BOP is listing somewhat - NOT GOOD! If you shut in a well and the casing is fractured you will get fluids flowing into the surrounding formations causing fractures and eventually making their way through the sea floor. This is called broaching and it is and EVEN WORSE scenario.

If there is significant formation fracturing you might even compromise the relief wells that are under way ... ALL BAD!!

Once again: the fix for this is the relief wells PERIOD. When they breach the well 2+ miles down below the sea floor they will have enough drilling mud behind them to immediately flood in and shut it down once and for all. EVERYTHING ELSE they are doing is just dabbling and they are only willing to entertain and attempt things that allow for capturing some of the blowout and dispersing the rest.

They WILL NOT risk anything that might cause the well to broach and threaten what will be the guaranteed fix.

It's simple, tried and true. They have done this before:

1. Capture as much of the blowout as possible WITHOUT risk of further catastrophic failure of the well.
2. Disperse as much of the remainder as possible.
3. Start the clean-up, containment and collection process.
4. Keep drilling the relief wells without interruption until you hit home and flood in the well.

Yes it totally sucks but it is a waiting game.

And you know what? In another 10 years if we are still using fossil fuels, it will happen again. A drunken captain will run aground, a maniac dictator will have his army knock the caps off of all the wells ,an impossible sequence of events will sink a drilling platform. It's gonna happen.

In almost every engineering discipline I have ever worked in there is the engineering triangle:

-- Cost of production
-- Speed of delivery
-- Safety or Quality

You can choose any two of the above items and the 3rd will suffer. We all want our cars and our way of life and we want it cheap. We (the market) dictate that one. That leaves the oil producers to balance the other 2 as much as possible and they (the producers) want to produce it as fast as possible. So guess what ultimately suffers?

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