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HelicopterAerial Photography and Video › Can you suggest an 'Idiotproof' AP setup for an R/C novice ?
01-04-2010 12:45 AM  7 years agoPost 1
tokenpom

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Hi,

I am a novice R/C helicopter pilot, but I realise that technology is rapidly replacing the need for years of flying experience.

Therefore, can anybody recommend a Helicopter/Camera/Avionics combination that will allow me to produce aerial photography of commercial quality, with the minimum of flying ability ?

I would like to be able to simply launch, reach a suitable altitude and location, hold while I take pictures, and then land.

I would like to act more as a 'guide' to the aircraft, than 'pilot'.

I appreciate that there will be those who will raise safety concerns about such an idea, but I live in a sparsely populated area, with enough space to adsorb most potential systems failures.

I hope you can help, and look forward to your replies !

Thanks,

Nick.

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01-04-2010 12:59 AM  7 years agoPost 2
windy62

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Subscribed!!

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01-04-2010 01:01 AM  7 years agoPost 3
30636086

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but I realise that technology is rapidly replacing the need for years of flying experience.
Someone has been lying to you! Or you are seriously misinformed.
Therefore, can anybody recommend a Helicopter/Camera/Avionics combination that will allow me to produce aerial photography of commercial quality, with the minimum of flying ability ?
I will say a helium ballon, your camera equipment, and a sling-shot to bring it back down and catchers mitt to catch it!
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Im not an AV guy but I do know that one of the first things that you are gonna need is experience flying, just think about it for a sec. Are you really want to try to flight a helicopter and camera equipment that will cost you hundreds of dollars and even thousands for good equipment with no or very limited experience? It doesnt make sense even if you have the $ to burn like that, because of the dangers of it! Its just not save at all; number one for you and number two for everyone else around!

My advise to you is read, and read and get informed about what you gonna need and another is you can get some serious help and tips in the AV section. My 2 cents
Good luck, have fun and take tons of pics!

I dont suffer from mental iIlness, I actually enjoy mine!

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01-04-2010 01:55 AM  7 years agoPost 4
ErichF

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Well, if your talking about technology replacing flying skill, be ready to break out the wallet. Yes, you can build a helicopter with a complete DJI autopilot system to do 90% of the flying for you. It alone will cost you $3500. So, yes, we are close to the point where absolute flying skill can be "bought" in the form of advanced electronics.

The crux of the matter, however, is that you need to be fairly good at building, tuning, and flight trimming a heli for such systems to be of benefit. Also, there is the remote chance the system could fail, requiring a fast reaction to the emergency. This includes being able to auto the bird down, away from persons and property.

My advice, read...read some more...then, well, read.

Erich

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01-04-2010 02:29 AM  7 years agoPost 5
RaptorMan23

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Yes, you can build a helicopter with a complete DJI autopilot system to do 90% of the flying for you
Who is gonna bring it back when the autopilot fails??

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01-04-2010 02:31 AM  7 years agoPost 6
ErichF

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Maybe a combination of wind and gravity?

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01-04-2010 02:49 AM  7 years agoPost 7
jgoodsell

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Idiot Proof + Safe operation =

Telescopic mast.

Technologie will fail you or your gonna miss use it at one point (accidently I mean) and then you'll have to fly it back, bring it down or take control of it in a difficult situation...

Go with a mast setup and practice your flying

Jeffrey

It seams that Gravity is worst around here !

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01-04-2010 03:35 AM  7 years agoPost 8
30636086

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Who is gonna bring it back when the autopilot fails??
Thats where some of my ideas come in handy! lol the slingshot(wrist-rocket) and the catchers mitt! lol
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By the way; does this look like a:
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I dont suffer from mental iIlness, I actually enjoy mine!

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01-04-2010 04:20 AM  7 years agoPost 9
bassman

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Maybe a tricopter with DJI or Profi is the answer for your requirement.

wow tricopter equipped with DJI/Profi

"I believe I can FLY"

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01-04-2010 04:23 AM  7 years agoPost 10
tokenpom

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Hi guys,

yes, you are ALL right !

Balloons ARE an option for me, in built-up areas they would be very useful. But, lets face it, neither they or telescopic poles are any fun atall, are they ! (slingshots excepted . . .)

(I have even looked at 'Cody' style lifting Kites !)

I want to find out if there is a system out there yet that will allow me to fly a conventional helicopter with the ease that my 7yr old son now flies his $50 co-axial. I see the developments now happening in U.A.V.'s will soon make it possible for a novice like me to fly any class of aircraft. Whether that is a good thing or a bad thing depends on whether you think an experienced pilot or a computer will have any more luck in its choice of crash location.
Surely a system that can fly effectively, could autorotate effectively too ?

Thanks again,

Nick.

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01-04-2010 04:47 AM  7 years agoPost 11
philip 01

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depends on your budget.

that is the key in this type situation.

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01-04-2010 04:55 AM  7 years agoPost 12
iflybyu77

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Comparing a $50 coaxial fixed pitch helicopter to a AP machine isn't a fair comparison. The advancement you see in that coaxial and it's relative stability is miniaturization of radio equipment/battery tech and refinement of design. Some elements are carried over to AP machines but the stability, ability for novice use and simplicity do not.

I own a very expensive autopilot. It does not replace me as a pilot. Nor does it replace the ability to execute a save in the event of malfunction .. or tuning skills, business sense, photography skills, videography skills, web development, image editing, video editing.. the list goes on.

Other than that, this stuff is simple.

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01-04-2010 05:08 AM  7 years agoPost 13
sean911sc

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This is your best option: DragonFly and it commands $17K + (low side). They provide a complete package with training.

If price wasn't a factor I'd have one in the fleet.

Sean

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01-04-2010 05:46 AM  7 years agoPost 14
tokenpom

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Thanks guys,

My point is that the time has come, the technology IS out there that is able to fly the plane - and so allow me to arrange the shot, run the business, make the tea, etc., etc.

If I spend $40,000, I can buy a 'Microdrone' and it will fly itself exactly where I want it to go.

My question was, is it possible to obtain that degree of automation, for a fraction of the cost, by fitting it to a conventional helicopter, rather than a purpose-built U.A.V. ?

All the best,

Nick.

P.s. Have heard that Draganflyers are more 'show' than 'Go' . . .

( they don't like wind, apparently . . .)

PPS. HI MonkeyNutz, what is the current 'state of the art' ?

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01-04-2010 05:54 AM  7 years agoPost 15
philip 01

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PPS. HI MonkeyNutz, what is the current 'state of the art' ?
not sure, but it will be very expensive.

best to get a trex 500 and learn to fly first then the field opens up a lot cheaper.

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01-04-2010 06:40 AM  7 years agoPost 16
30636086

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If I spend $40,000
I flight for you! I even bring my own helis! (just joking around)

I dont suffer from mental iIlness, I actually enjoy mine!

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01-04-2010 01:16 PM  7 years agoPost 17
Envision

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There is, or was a lot of information here on Australia. It is illegal to fly for commercial use with anything that weighs over 100grams, if I remember correctly. Permission can be attained by spending thousands to become certified, etc. You must also prove that you know your aircraft and can properly control it. That's why in Australia most people use a mast, kite or balloon.

I would suggest researching the regulations in your country, then decide what method is best to attain what you seek.
https://rc.runryder.com/helicopter/...sortby=lastpost

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01-04-2010 02:34 PM  7 years agoPost 18
rerazor

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You really have to have flying skills with any autopilot. Its a safety feature above anything else. With that said, if you can fly then yes there are systems available. The current DJI XP 3.1 will do most of what you want in the $4k range plus you need a heli etc.. The soon to be released DJI Way Point system will allow you to fly from laptop, joy stick etc....Obviously, the cost will be higher.

In the end, practice your flying skills and then you can easily accomplish your goals with autopilots.

Feel free to PM me with anymore questions.

Robert

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01-04-2010 05:29 PM  7 years agoPost 19
andrei

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My point is that the time has come, the technology IS out there that is able to fly the plane - and so allow me to arrange the shot, run the business, make the tea, etc., etc.

If I spend $40,000, I can buy a 'Microdrone' and it will fly itself exactly where I want it to go.

My question was, is it possible to obtain that degree of automation, for a fraction of the cost, by fitting it to a conventional helicopter, rather than a purpose-built U.A.V. ?

All the best,

Nick.

The asnwer to your question is simple and straighforward, no.
You either learn at least some basic flying, or cough up the dough for a fully autonomous aicraft.

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01-04-2010 05:49 PM  7 years agoPost 20
gtxkid

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I bought a canon A640 and use a simple interface that plugs into it to control zoom and snapping a shot.
Askman mount for camera
DE makes a little regulator so you can run a 2s lipo for camera and servos on the askman mount
You will need a heli comand or spartan for stabization
I went with a Elect Logo 10
You are still going to wrap up 2,500.00 on a setup

Futaba 14Mz / 1300mm Multi rotor / Logo 10

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