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01-01-2010 01:03 AM  7 years agoPost 1
tintmaster

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I have my Pantera 50 in a scale MD 500E. I have a 611 gyro w/ matching servo, 3- 9451 servos on cyclic, 3001 on throttle, Arizona regulator w/ Formeco 5200 Lith Ion. I want to add the 5 blade head for a more scale look. Thinking the Century 1. My question is should I use the V-Bar 4.0 or the SK360? I hear the SK360 is easy to set up compared to the V-Bar. Also I need to flip the tail to be scale looking, is it possible? New to the scale venture and flybarless. Any help on this would greatly help. Also are my cyclic servos good enough for this project. I have a set of 8717's, but I'd rather use them for my 90.

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01-01-2010 02:37 AM  7 years agoPost 2
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welcome to the scale side of things!!! you ask very good questions and the fact that you are asking questions shows you will do well
i have heard more people say they prefere the sk360 over anything else. i have a friend that loves the v-bar and the csm system as well. since i havent tried any yet, that is all i have to go on. i am sure the servos you have mentioned will be fine but servos arent my area of high knowledge
as for the tail. just flip it, and make sure the servo and gyro are set to work in the proper direction. yeah i know, the direction of the tail rotor will now be where the top blade rotates toward the front of the heli instead of aft like before BUT WAIT!!!, it does just that on the fullsize MD500!! how lucky can you be aye???
have a blast building that machine, looks like you have perfect access to details, waaay cewl!!
see my gallery for the one i built using a sceadu evo.

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01-01-2010 02:41 AM  7 years agoPost 3
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50 Scale MD 500E Pantera- V-Bar or Skookum?

Thanks for your input. From my understanding, the V-Bar uses its own gyro, and the Skookum you use yor own. Is this correct?

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01-01-2010 02:49 AM  7 years agoPost 4
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the skookum has the gyros built in as well. i have one that i am hooking up to a machine i am building for someone (an md500 with century 5 bladed head as well and trex 600n) and i am realy impressed at the size of this unit. compact and can mount in any spot.

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01-01-2010 03:00 AM  7 years agoPost 5
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50 Scale MD 500E Pantera- V-Bar or Skookum?

Thats the head I want. It comes in all black, right? Do you know what else I will need to get with the head, swashplate, etc? Where is a good place to get them?
from your pics, looks like you are a pilot. Your helis are awesome!

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01-01-2010 03:02 AM  7 years agoPost 6
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Vbar is a 3 axis unit that requires no separate tail gyro. The current Skookum SK360 is a two axis system and requires a separate tail gyro. A new Skookum SK720 is to be released in the spring and will be a 3 axis unit.

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01-01-2010 03:05 AM  7 years agoPost 7
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Thats the head I want. It comes in all black, right? Do you know what else I will need to get with the head, swashplate, etc? Where is a good place to get them?
Yes, the head is black. You'll need a swash and swash driver as well as linkages and you may need to make/modify your anti-rotation bracket.

The best place to pick up what you need is: http://www.heli-world.com/

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01-01-2010 03:07 AM  7 years agoPost 8
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50 Scale MD 500E Pantera- V-Bar or Skookum?

So i can use my 611 and matching servo? Its an awesome gyro and holds incredibly!

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01-01-2010 03:08 AM  7 years agoPost 9
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Also, I have found that FBL systems generally work better with fast servos. I changed the ones on my Cobra after flying it for a while with slower servos, and it really made a difference on how it felt.

I'll be changing the servos in my Hughes in the next month or so. It flies OK with slow servos, just feels better with the faster ones. Hard to explain.....

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01-01-2010 03:11 AM  7 years agoPost 10
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So i can use my 611 and matching servo? Its an awesome gyro and holds incredibly!
Yes, With the Sk-360 you can use your existing gyro/servo combination!

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01-01-2010 03:13 AM  7 years agoPost 11
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50 Scale MD 500E Pantera- V-Bar or Skookum?

So you would use the JR 8717's if you had them?

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01-01-2010 03:22 AM  7 years agoPost 12
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Looks like the 9451's are .1 on 6 volts. .14 to .18 is too slow. I would say your 9451's would work just fine. We've had good luck with 8417 JR servos (.08 at 6.0 volts) and Ino-Lab HG-D760HB (.08 at 6.0 volts).

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01-01-2010 03:26 AM  7 years agoPost 13
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50 Scale MD 500E Pantera- V-Bar or Skookum?

Yeah my 8717's are .7 w 196 on 6v. But you think the 9451's will be fine?

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01-01-2010 03:28 AM  7 years agoPost 14
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IMHO, The 9451's would do fine for scale flying.

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01-01-2010 03:35 AM  7 years agoPost 15
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50 Scale MD 500E Pantera- V-Bar or Skookum?

Thanks

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01-01-2010 04:14 AM  7 years agoPost 16
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Since you already have a tail gyro, from a price performance perspective, the SK360 would do just fine. I'm using SK360's on my 5-blade 450, 3-blade 30 and 4-blade 50 scales, and 'normal' 500.

I also like the GyroBot which I use for my 'normal' 50. However, for multi-blade scale and if you don't want to mechanically phase (which you shouldn't), then you need to get the GyroBot900 which is silly expensive compared to the SK360; the GyroBot700 does not allow electronic phasing.

I've never used the V-Bar, but my friends swear by it for 3-D.

Putting the tail on the left side is not a problem, especially since you heli is belt driven, easier to do. Just be aware that for the 500E, the tail turns up instead of down like most other heli's. If you want to go even more scale, make the head rotate CCW, but this is difficult on Nitro's, unless you have a Vario ... I've converted my Nitro's to Electric when I want them to turn CCW.

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01-01-2010 06:43 AM  7 years agoPost 17
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Vbar

Tin:

You will find that the vbar will be a better choice. It has swash
rotation so you can fine tune the phasing, or even better you can use straight links to the head and do the phasing completely on the vbar software. I find that the 5 bladed head and the swash follower allways is on the way.

You wont regret it, and as you allready fly 3D, when you are done with scale you can use it for pod and boom also.

Felipe

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01-01-2010 06:49 AM  7 years agoPost 18
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The SK-360 also has the electronic phasing adjustment.

Mr. Haney

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01-01-2010 09:35 AM  7 years agoPost 19
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You wont regret it, and as you allready fly 3D, when you are done with scale you can use it for pod and boom also.
Done with scale? What's wrong with you, man?

tintmaster, I'm using SK-360's in everything from little 450's to a turbine 500 and the performance is awesome. The 360 has the best price performance ratio and the software is super simple and easy to master. It's a heck of a combo.

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01-01-2010 01:53 PM  7 years agoPost 20
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well tintmaster ol buddy,
there ya go,
as you can see rom the information and advice here, whichever one you choose, you wont go wrong.
both systems get high marks.
they both offer electronic phasing
if you go with the skookums sk360, you will spend less because its cheaper and heck, you already have a yaw gyro.
if money is no object, the v-bar will allow you to stabilize the cyclic and yaw controls all from one unit and eliminate the need for a yaw gyro.
looking at your situation however, i think the decision is quite clear

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