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12-31-2009 09:39 PM  7 years agoPost 1
tryan02

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Maybe I am searching the wrong words but I cant find any good topics on a scale Raptor30. I dont want to put in the time for a build up body I want a snap-on prepainted body I have done the small styrene fuses but dont care to do it again. I am looking at the TT website and centuryheli eucrail august a109 or jet ranger or MD500. But they just dont say much about using a 30. I feel my heli is agile enough to handle some extra weight but I dont know.

Reason is I have been flying for 2 years to build skills before snapping on a expensive fuse But I hate the pod and boom look.

Is that a bad thing? Is a R30 with an os32 just not enough heli for scale

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12-31-2009 10:11 PM  7 years agoPost 2
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People have done it quite a bit. Certain bodys will not fit the R30 with out mods due to the pitch arm design. I believe the only one you can fit in stock is a Jetranger. The TT AS350 can take the R30 if you get a 50 size tail boom and belt. I also think I have heard of people using the Hughes 500 50 size the same way. The biggest difference between the R30 and the R50 is the tail boom, main blade size, gearing, fan and clutch. I think most 50 size bodys can fit if you use th R50 tail setup.

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01-01-2010 02:44 AM  7 years agoPost 3
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that is correct, the 30 is a better fit in the 50 size fuses if you lengthen the tailboom/blades to the 50 setup. the 32 will do okay in the 50 size fuses so long as you dont weigh it down too much with scale stuff like lights detailed cockpit and multibladed heads. keep it light and it will do fine. the exception is the md500 fuse, this 50 size fuse is quite large and will be too much for the 32.

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01-01-2010 05:24 AM  7 years agoPost 4
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Thats what I was afraid of I just want to bolt on a 30 size fuse. I could sell my R30 and get a used 50 and start over with the right heli.

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01-01-2010 06:27 AM  7 years agoPost 5
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it would probably be cheaper to just convert it to a 50 and go from there.

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01-01-2010 02:30 PM  7 years agoPost 6
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OK I am gonna look at 2 options upgrade to 50 or upgrade to OS37 and longer boom and blades. Anyone know if the os37 is really that much more powerful than the 32?

Thanks for your help.

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01-01-2010 03:19 PM  7 years agoPost 7
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the 37 is a noticable difference, but if you are going to upgrade the engine, it is wiser to go tothe 50. the 37 does fly the others quite well but if youare going to do the md500, go with the 50 engine.
i realize the 37 upgrade only involves buying the engine as opposed to the mount, muffler and pinion for the 50 upgrade but yu wontbe disapointed

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01-01-2010 06:49 PM  7 years agoPost 8
liljalepeno

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For what it's worth I am using the .37 in my raptor 30 v1. I added the 50 belt and boom and mounted it in the 50 MD530. I love it and flies so well. I am using 550 blades but plan to try 600's this summer. I like the simlicity because I did not need to change the gearing.
That being said, I am converting all my fleet to electric shortly so might be worth looking at a brushless conversion as well as a conversion to 50 size........

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01-01-2010 08:05 PM  7 years agoPost 9
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thank you for that input. it does bring up a few facts i never considered about the thunder tiger fuse. it would do better with the 37 because its a lghter fuse since it has no woodwork as its not required to mount the raptor. it is also a hand and glove fit and the narrower profile makes the rotor efficiency a bit better than the wider profile of the funkey. the tt may be the way to go without upgrading your engine, at least to the 50.

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01-01-2010 11:15 PM  7 years agoPost 10
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OK that is helping a lot I wanted to go to the 37 anyway I havent seen a tt fuse to know exactly what your referring to but I think I get the idea.

Now I have one more question if you guy's would be so generous to answer.

I hear this thing about a 30 pitch lever doesn't fit well in the fuses other than the MD500. I really would much rather do a bell222 or august A-109 or the eucrail.

But I was gonna settle for a 500 just to get the 30 in a fuse.

So what are people saying doesn't fit I thought the 30 airframe was the same as the 50 or is it something else.

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01-01-2010 11:19 PM  7 years agoPost 11
ttsingram

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The R30 doesn't fit good in the 30 size fuse. They fit ok as long as you use the 50 size fuse.

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01-01-2010 11:26 PM  7 years agoPost 12
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Cool!

OK that really helps a lot. Now I can shop for the fuse I really want vs one to settled for.

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01-01-2010 11:32 PM  7 years agoPost 13
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the 30 fuses are not an impossible fit, just a tight fit and the pitch arm tends to hit the top of the doghouse on the upswing. in the 50 size fuses, youwont have that issue because of the increased room. see, the 30 size fuses were designed waaay back when a 30 size heli was the size of what a shuttle is. wellin this generation of newer helis, the 30's are raised to be 50's withe the engine conversionand boom change so they went ahead and increased the size to start with. there wernt any 50 size fuses back then because there werent many 50 helis (those that were around, were basically 60 size with a 50) seems the only heli that fits in a 30 fuse is the shuttle as it is still available, in fact the longest production 30, maybe heli period!! i learned on a shuttle back in 86.

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01-01-2010 11:42 PM  7 years agoPost 14
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OK I get it. I knew the R30 was a stubby 50 but didnt realize there was a change in the sizes you described. Makes total sense now. Oh and in 86 I was 13 flying a plank an Carl goldberg eagle 63 cause helicopters were ridiculously expensive and much more complicated than they are today.

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01-14-2010 01:53 AM  7 years agoPost 15
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I have been spending too much time on the net!!!!

I did some price checking and was quite surprised.

Boom $10, pushrod rudder linkage $5.50, belt $20 and OS37 $160 = $195.50

Then I thought what exactly does it cost to upgrade to 50?

$65 30/50 upgrade kit, O.S. 50SX-H Ringed Hyper $180 = $245
(Not Including a new set of blades)

Would 550mm over rev the engine? Just bought a new set of Maverick G5 wide chords.

Other than blades is there anything else with the kit and motor I am missing?

In my case to build a scale heli. Am I mistaken or would it be better to just upgrade to the 50 instead of trying to squeeze power out of the 30?

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01-14-2010 03:15 AM  7 years agoPost 16
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okay, 550 blades wont over rev the engine since you will be setting the pitch on the blades to maintain your headspeed within limits. keep in mind, with the 50 engine, you will also need a mufflewr that fits the 50 as the one from the 37 doesnt have the same bolt dimensions. seems 50 bucks extra is the more logical way to go. the 50 willoffer more power and i know you can find 600mm blades somewhere cheap!!

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01-14-2010 01:28 PM  7 years agoPost 17
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I agree, go with the 50. Besides, my guess the .37 will be discontinued in the near future as the .32 already has.

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01-14-2010 01:37 PM  7 years agoPost 18
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my guess the .37 will be discontinued in the near future as the .32 already has.
lol! no worries there, there will always be a "30" size engine available

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01-14-2010 01:49 PM  7 years agoPost 19
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I hope so considering Century and Hirobo still makes 30 size scales.

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01-14-2010 03:01 PM  7 years agoPost 20
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OK Now I have found that the OS hyper I was looking at likes to eat bearings? Is this true?

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