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01-01-2010 12:06 AM  7 years agoPost 21
gorn

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in another post he listed about 25 vendors that are not advertisers.
Against RR policy.
Thats my take on it.

For the love of the hobby

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01-01-2010 01:10 AM  7 years agoPost 22
rcjon

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I wish someone would answer my piro rate question.

Ask your doctor if your heart is healthy enough for Radio Control Helicoptering.

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01-01-2010 01:19 AM  7 years agoPost 23
george0079

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I wish someone would answer my piro rate question.
1 stir of the cyclic to 360 degrees of the tail (One time around the compass per piro)

Hell... I can fix that.
Uh oh..
Nope.
It's ***ked!!!
RE-KIT!!!!!

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01-01-2010 01:41 AM  7 years agoPost 24
rcjon

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Thanks.

Ask your doctor if your heart is healthy enough for Radio Control Helicoptering.

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01-01-2010 03:48 AM  7 years agoPost 25
Tail_BoomStrike

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None of the vids good enough to be called real kaos ...... I could do better(only on sim though) ...... It's all missing the roll towards the pilot(if ever there's one, still not complete and random)

But I do appreciate the CY interview....... I will not contest the the argument between true chaos and piroflip anymore....... Now that CY clarified the difference between the two.......

Alright flame suit.......

Oh, before I go.......

rcjon,

there's many variation of the piro flip...... You could either do, half piro per flip, 1 piro per flip, two piro per flip...... I could do up to 4 piro per flip(not just on sim).......

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01-01-2010 02:26 PM  7 years agoPost 26
Taipan

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I'm pretty sure the first vid is meant to be piroflips (a lot of people mistakenly call them Chaos) & is incorrect. The disc is meant to flip about the horizontal axis only! As if doing normal foward flips but while piroing at the same time.

Here you'll find the correct animations I did a while ago including real Chaos; https://rc.runryder.com/helicopter/t166784

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01-01-2010 02:29 PM  7 years agoPost 27
red_z06

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Piro-Flip and Chaos can be further described as below to minimize confusion.

Single orientation Piro-Flip -> Piro-Flip
4 orientation Piro-Flip -> 4 Axis Piro-Flip
Chaos -> Rotating Axis Piro-Flip

It seems people still confuse 4 axix piro-flip with chaos.

Lets assume you can suspend the pizza box in air and let it flip in one axis (piro-flip). You can now put that flipping pizza box on top of a virtual Lazy-Susan. While the pizza box is doing its flip, you slowly spin the LS and you have a Chaos.

It is also interesting to note that most who do piroflips actually do Chaos until they learn to sync the rudder rate with the flip rate to reset. When they learn how to do exact number of flips (start and end at the same orientation), they no longer can do Chaos but only Piro-Flip.

www.JustinJee.com

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01-01-2010 04:35 PM  7 years agoPost 28
Tail_BoomStrike

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It is also interesting to note that most who do piroflips actually do Chaos until they learn to sync the rudder rate with the flip rate to reset. When they learn how to do exact number of flips (start and end at the same orientation), they no longer can do Chaos but only Piro-Flip.
red, now you got me comfused again ....... I think now that there really isn't definitive way of doing it..... That as long as you can change the axis of the pizza sitting on a lazy,,,,, should be good enough to be called a chaos........

Kidding....

I've been in a situation though, when a guy who could barely figure 8, can't even hover nose in nor inverted, started pirueting his heli and stirring the cyclic, then the feild suddenly went to chaos, when everybody scramble to find a hidding place........

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01-01-2010 04:47 PM  7 years agoPost 29
Jeff polisena

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This has been beat up many time and I say if you can't post a real video of what you call a kaos then you should not try to tell anyone they are wrong . I can do piro flip/kaos but do I perform it correctly possibly not but it is controlled and took me a realy long time to get it low and controlled so I appreciate pilots who do whatever it is called . I would like to see more people post videos (not pro/sponsored pilots)I think this is a costly trick to learn and give credit to those who learn it on their dime

I stole it ,flew it and gave it back ;)

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01-01-2010 06:06 PM  7 years agoPost 30
Tail_BoomStrike

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Ooops...... I might have over did it.....

I thought this is what the thread was all about, as it says in 11th post,
this was a post about bragging how good we fly

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