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12-30-2009 10:59 PM  7 years agoPost 41
wopwop

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Gee, after reading all these I really feel OLD!! I started out flying helis on a Schluter Heliboy with a 60 motor and no gyro or mixing capability on a transmitter. In fact, John Gorham sold me the heli when I lived in the San Fernando valley in the early 70's. I think after breaking the heli numerous times and my wallet, too, I gave up after 1 successful FF and landing without damage. Flew plankers on and off until a year ago when I decided my time was running out (I'm 65) so I purchased a used Caliber 30 and realized how much technology and stability had advanced. Since then I've had a Rappy 30 V2, a Rappy Titan 50 and now a Rappy 90. Finally am getting a lot of enjoyment out of the heli hobby.

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12-30-2009 11:11 PM  7 years agoPost 42
heli-cuzz

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Flyinghigh450 said, 'Well im not a old timer'
You're an old fart.

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12-30-2009 11:27 PM  7 years agoPost 43
LonR

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Well I am 36 and my wife is 26,maybe thats why she calls me old .

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12-31-2009 12:14 AM  7 years agoPost 44
Dilbeck

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Well I am 36 and my wife is 26,maybe thats why she calls me old
Well then, Im 47 and my girlfriend is 26, guess Im not as old as I thought I was!!!

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12-31-2009 01:08 AM  7 years agoPost 45
Genty

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Like so many, I started with a Concept 30 and loved it as it got me as far as circuits and raw loops and rolls. The Concept EP was going about at the same time but I never had one. However, one of the guys at the club got one a few years later and asked me to fly it for him. The nicad packs were so heavy then that it could barely hover, let alone fly around. In that respect I'm even happier that I started with a nitro.

T- Rex 600N Pro, T-Rex 600N Pro, T-Rex 550e

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12-31-2009 01:23 AM  7 years agoPost 46
gologo

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Yeah, don't believe "Nitro vs Electric" was an issue then at all!

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12-31-2009 01:23 AM  7 years agoPost 47
Dagigalo

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TOY HUH

You call my Trex 450 and Blade 400 a TOY. (DON) If it wasnt for the smaller electrics I would have never made the investment to see if I even want to get in this hobby. So yes I think thare a good thing for this hobby. I started with my Trex 450 and Im know building a Venture 50. If it wasnt for the Trex I would have stayed with Planks. BTW Huver a 450 in the front room. Do you know anything about this hobby.

Gravity SUCKS!!!!!

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12-31-2009 01:44 AM  7 years agoPost 48
LonR

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Dagigalo,its his opinion so don't kill this good thread getting a arguement going.

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12-31-2009 01:54 AM  7 years agoPost 49
r2helis

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Western Colorado

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In March of 98 I started out with a trashed out, basket case Nexus 30 with the fh 30 engine, old mechanical 154 gyro and wood blades. I put that little plastic heli together and learned to hover and fly it. I sold it several years later and purchased a R30V1, which I have and fly to this day. Yes. I am an old timer also and was proud to start with the plastic antique's. I wish you well, happy flying and Happy New Year.

Pound for Pound, Heli's are a blast..... Roland

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12-31-2009 01:59 AM  7 years agoPost 50
Aaron29

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By the way, even though overall I'm glad I went with a Raptor 30 and did not have the Blade 400 for learning, it was not because it was a Nitro 30.

The reason the Raptor 30 was better to learn on was its size. I think a 30 size electric would just as viable a learning platform.

In fact, I burned up a 32 early on by mistuning it, and it cost me some time initially messing about with the nitro engine.

One benefit of the nitro may have been longer flight times, but as a beginner you tend to get tired before the heli is done. I'd frequently land with 1/2 a tank early on. Now, I'm mad when I have to land.

Learning on a 30 size electric with multiple batteries in some ways could be even better than learning on a nitro 30.

However, once you are past the learning stage, the increased flight time of the nitro is beneficial.

It's a tough call, you get longer flight times, but the initial learning curve with tuning has to be overcome. Once overcome, tuning is a cinch.

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12-31-2009 02:00 AM  7 years agoPost 51
Dagigalo

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I apalogize. I dont know way that got me going. I should have just ignored it. I agree a 50 size is the way to learn if you have the fundings.

Gravity SUCKS!!!!!

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12-31-2009 02:02 AM  7 years agoPost 52
Aaron29

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The thread isn't about whether 450's are beneficial to the hobby. It's about whether they are good starter helis.

From a beginner's perspective, if money is tight and it's 450 or nothing, then 450 it is! You can't learn everything on the sim alone and A heli is better than NO heli!

But given the choice between 450 or bigger, go bigger, for LEARNING. You can always pick up a 450 later.

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12-31-2009 03:03 AM  7 years agoPost 53
Spitfire1

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The only real benefit I can see in a 450 is flying area, and even then if you have enough space to fly a 450 you can fly a 500 IMO.

Due to financial reasons Ive been trying to find a more affordable way I can remain in the hobby, but looking at the parts cost of a 450 compared to a 600 Im not sure its worth it, if you take any part say a main shaft that costs $15 for a 600, the main shaft for the 450 will be $13, instead of $70 for blades its $50 for the 450 size, Im guessing a 600 crash that would cost $200 would cost $150 if it was a 450, and as far as innitial costs when you add up how much more a 500 or 600 cost to buy they are more expensive but not much.

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12-31-2009 04:44 AM  7 years agoPost 54
Aaron29

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Spitfire,

I'm not sure where you are shopping, because those price differences don't sound right. 450 pieces are easily half that of a 600.

I found a package of three 450 mainshafts for $9 US. That means they are 3 bucks a piece! You won't find a 600 mainshaft for that. They are just under 12 dollars for a package of two. So they are closer to 6 bucks a piece. Working with small numbers makes both sound cheap. But 6 dollars per is TWICE the cost of the three dollar one.

Tailbooms on 450 are like 4 bucks a piece. The 600 will cost about 6.50 a piece. Again doesn't seem like much more but that's over 50% MORE cost.

As for blades, I saw Radix 325's were 45 bucks at one site, and the Radix 600's were 95 dollars. That's TWICE the cost.

If you compare high dollar 450 items with low dollar 600 items, things start to even out, but that's not exactly a fair comparison. I can show you 12 dollar wooden 450 blades! Oranges for oranges the 450 is WAY less.

If you are truly nickel and diming things, these little things add up. My guess is crash cost for a 600 is easily two to three times that of a 450. Most posts here seem to indicate I'm correct.

Plus batteries cost WAY less. Like half or less. My 2200's I get for 20 bucks fly my heli for 6 mins 3D or 8+ minutes of hovering. To get that out of a 600 you are going to spend more than twice that for 6S OR 8S.

450 charging needs are WAY less, you can get away with a low dollar charger. I've got a 100 dollar charger that does 4 2200 3s packs at a time at 1C! A 600 will need a higher dollar charger and I don't think you can do four batteries at 1C without either multiple chargers or spending a great deal more money.

The 450 is DEFINITELY less expensive to operate. And not by just a little bit. From where you are standing, you probably already have the batteries and already have the chargers, but those batteries will not last forever.

Question is, can you afford to stay with the 600? Because bigger is easier to fly, less challenging, and helps learn 3D more too as they are more predictable.

One thing to consider, if you decided to switch helis, getting a 450 would initially cost you a great deal, as you'd be starting without the kit, the motor, the servos, the esc, and the batteries. As time went on, though, you'd start to break even. Not to mention the sale of your 600 ready to fly could probably fund the entire 450 onset cost.

If the 450 were not cheap, I think most people wouldn't bother with them. You get what you pay for and if we could all be flying 700's for the cost of a 250 we would.

So my advice, if you can afford it, stick with the 600. If it is hurting your wallet and confidence to fly it the way you want to, go ahead and get a 450. You will save a great deal of money.

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12-31-2009 06:22 AM  7 years agoPost 55
Spitfire1

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I still dont know what to do I need to downgrade, I keep looking at the 450 pro(good value with gyro/servos), but flying it on the sim is impossible its so twitchy I cant do any 3d without crashing in 2 seconds flat, on the flip side my 600e is so heavy and slow, its horrible, not enough power for mild 3d and in FFF its even worse, feels like I would imagine flying without any flybar would feel, constantly pitching up and down like big lumbering whale.

For the record, my first heli was a trex 450 xl cde and my second was a Hirobo Shuttle 30.

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12-31-2009 06:35 AM  7 years agoPost 56
Aaron29

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My sim doesn't have the 450. I can tell you this, it requires different collective management to fly a 450. They are lighter, but the disk loading is higher. I think you would eventually get used to it.

A tough call. Given your power complaint, I'd tell you to upgrade your power system on the 600, but if money is already too tight...

As for the tracking, T-Rex's are optimized for 3D. The price is tracking. They hunt. Not sure a 450 would help, here. Again the fix is more money, different paddles, different blades, etc.

I know this is not the best news.

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12-31-2009 07:08 AM  7 years agoPost 57
Spitfire1

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600e is so heavy and slow, its horrible, not enough power for mild 3d and in FFF its even worse, feels like I would imagine flying without any flybar would feel, constantly pitching up and down like big lumbering whale.
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Its just my 6 monthly depression session, I pull the 600 out of mothballs every 6 months or so and end up nearly giveing up on helis altogether, Il find a way to get another heli somehow and everything will be good for a few months until I run out of money again, then out comes the 600 and the whole cycle starts all over again.

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12-31-2009 07:17 AM  7 years agoPost 58
Scott Anderson

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yeppers 30 size nitro heli for me...batterys, esc and electric motors stayed in cars and some fixed wings when i started flyin helis. looking back i would have like the technology we have now but still too dang hard to pass up the smell of burning nitro

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12-31-2009 06:18 PM  7 years agoPost 59
rumbleweed

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Started with a Shuttle 30 wood blades and mechanical Gyro and self taught ( still have it and it runs) Got out of hobby for a while then back in with a Blade CP pro. I could hover it but can't fly it. Now fly Raptor 50, Trex 500 which I fly with no issues. Small electrics way to squirly to learn on IMHO.

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12-31-2009 06:33 PM  7 years agoPost 60
Jeff polisena

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I started on Raptor 30 futaba 3003 and csm gyro wit a 6 c futaba tx and gv1 . I was self taught so crashed 3 to 5 times a day . I learned alot this way I feel if I had all the avenues that a newbie has today I would have saved a lot of money .The only negative I have on smaller ,cheaper (toy) heli is I think it gives people a false sense of knowledge and skill level . Most build or by small helis then go to 90 size thinking it will be the same I'm not worried about the knowledge just safety I see too many people have close calls and so far nobody has got hurt bad that I know of but it is scary to watch .

I stole it ,flew it and gave it back ;)

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