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12-30-2009 01:21 AM  7 years agoPost 1
phil evon

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I got my 2 50 size helis and looking to add another. Not sure if I want a 90 size or gasser. If I go 90 size its going to be a trex 700 and I will make it flybarless. If I go gasser its going to be a radikal. Looking for opinions here. What do you guys think?

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12-30-2009 01:25 AM  7 years agoPost 2
Brokenlink

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I would go with the gasser just for the ease of starting,cleanup and not having to pack alot of stuff to the field.You already got some nitros,give the gasser a try.

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12-30-2009 03:16 AM  7 years agoPost 3
jschenck

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I have both a Trex-700 and a Predator gasser. They are not really compariable but here's my take.

The Predator will fly most any aerobatics I want to do but the extra weight makes it a different machine to fly. Fuel costs are negligiable. Learning to tune a gas engine in a heli is a new skill and can be expensive if you fry the engine. Crashes can be more expensive since the extra weight will add energy to the impact. BUT I really like taking a gallon of gas that costs ~$3-$4 (with good oil mixed in it) and a radio and potientially fly all day, no other equipment needed (mine has an on board battery charger).

The 700 is much easier to build and keep going, it's just simpler. It flies like an overpowered 50 with 700mm blades, really flies great. I have no regrets about buying it. The only real down side is every 8 minute flight costs $3-$4 in fuel. That same dollar amount will buy hours of flying on my Predator.

So if you rarely crash and fly a lot the gasser will pay for itself in fuel costs. If you like to really throw your heli around hard the gasser will probably not make you happy.

btw, I really hope that Align does produce the 700G. Having the same airframe for my 90 and my gasser would be a real bonus. I like the Predator mechanics as it's beefy, smooth and reliable but my 700 is also pretty good and I would like to consolidate the number of different brand heli's I have just so my spares pile is more universal.

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12-30-2009 12:34 PM  7 years agoPost 4
JRjoe

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90 bottom line, gassers are slow and suck. Only advantage to a gasser is fuel cost, that's it...


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12-30-2009 12:35 PM  7 years agoPost 5
JRjoe

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Got my flame suit on.....


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12-30-2009 01:06 PM  7 years agoPost 6
jschenck

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I'll light the match

How many gassers have you owned?

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12-30-2009 01:18 PM  7 years agoPost 7
bosshoss

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It seems everyone goes through their 90 Phase. My 90 is collecting dust. Because, I went through my Phase, and got over it.

The Gasser Rules , no question , hands down. Adrenaline rush never stops.

Go through YOUR 90 Phase, buy a 90 used, to save the initial dough, and find out if you are hooked.

If you like the bigger Heli, you will, but the 90 glow becomes a hassle in all it's hassle prone ways, consider a gasser.

My Spectra G is what everyone at my field calls the Alpha Male of helis. IT is awesome to throw a 13lb bird around!!!

Want a R90 with motor to find out? It flies great, built well, got my feet wet in large helis, but I just don't like the glow mess, glow fuel hassle, starter hassle, smoke hassle, noise hassle, short flight time hassle.........flys great through...awesome actually.

The Spectra G is simply this, 45 seconds after sitting the heli on the bench , after walking from the car, with only my radio in hand, I am flying for 25 minutes.

The time I have gained FLYING and not fueling alone is worth the initial cost. Add in the time for NOT switching-checking glo-plugs, un-hydro locking, begging for someone else's starter 'cus mine is dead, begging for a glo-starter because I "THINK" the glo-starter is dead, and I have gained an extra lifetime of flying by switching to a gasser in the 90 class.

TIME.....more valuable than gold.

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12-30-2009 01:37 PM  7 years agoPost 8
Bundian

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700 flybarless v Gasser?

Not even a question

I got a flybarless 700, and the power and response you have is AWESOME! ( i'm running +/- 14 pitch at 2040 head speed ) I just love that beast

Gassers are nice and you can fly for a very long time on a full tank, however if you fly 3D than go for the 700.

Fly it like you stole it!!!

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12-30-2009 01:54 PM  7 years agoPost 9
JRjoe

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How many gassers have you owned?
2 an MA and a Predator all were very slugish i'll take a 90 size nitro any day...

Good enough answer?????

Guys with pics of themselves wear ....bow flags.


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12-30-2009 02:25 PM  7 years agoPost 10
jschenck

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Good enough answer?????
yep!

This should give enough 'color' to the answers to help Phil make a decision.

Waving my Predator flag (not sure what that means )

Headspeed was down, still was tuning it in - this is about 1.5 yrs ago

Watch at YouTube

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12-30-2009 02:43 PM  7 years agoPost 11
Bundian

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Nice flying, but still I don't see how this heli would perform in a piro tic toc, i think it would come to a balde stop.

I always think of getting a gasser, but they are not really for 3D.

Fly it like you stole it!!!

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12-30-2009 02:47 PM  7 years agoPost 12
jschenck

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When I got the headspeed up to 1850-1900 it'd tic-toc quite easily and I'm sure that a good pilot could get a solid 12 point 'big ben' out of it. What I think it'd have trouble with is the hard pop-n-lock on the deck Tareq style flying. Power is not the problem here, weight is. I can say this guy has plenty of power especially at higher headspeeds but the weight is felt.

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12-30-2009 02:49 PM  7 years agoPost 13
JRjoe

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Seriously this is not dirercted at you personally.

I watched at 6 plus minutes of it.

Very boring , it flies like a gasser. Almost as boring as a turbine heli...


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12-30-2009 02:51 PM  7 years agoPost 14
aussie_g

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Very boring , it flies like a gasser. Almost as boring as a turbine heli...
WOW... starting a flame war with 2 distinct groups

I think the Gassers definately have their place, but in the hands of a 3D pilot, there will be some serious disapointment.

Gareth

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12-30-2009 02:54 PM  7 years agoPost 15
Justin Stuart (RIP)

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How about a .90 electric? You can buy 2x 6S 5000mAh batteries for $200 now, and by this time next year the price will probably be closer to $150. An electric is the ultimate in "plug and play". You show up to the field, attach the battery, and fly. Sure, you can't fly all day long unless you bring a generator to the field, but since the helicopter is clean, you can fly it at your lunch break (assuming you can find a suitable field nearby) while wearing your suit and tie. Try that with a nitro.

As for saving money by buying a gasser vs. buying a nitro, realistically it's not going to happen if you buy a Spectra-G. I could have bought a Trex 700 and a year's worth of fuel for the price of my Spectra, and if I crash it, there goes another 6 months worth of fuel. But the Spectra is cooler than a Trex, so there.

I think the Century Radikal is a lot lighter than would be expected for a gasser, so if they come out with a .90 Radikal, it will probably fly pretty good. I'm sure the Trex 700G will be good also.

Here is another gasser video I found:

Watch at YouTube

As for going flybarless, I highly recommend it. I love my V-barred helicopters. The electronics are expensive, but they allow the helicopter to do things you just can't do with a flybar (like flying a small helicopter in a lot of wind).

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12-30-2009 03:00 PM  7 years agoPost 16
phil evon

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Ok guys, we don't need a flame war here. I already have 2 50 size helis that will 3d all day long....a Trex 600 and a Hirobo SDX. What I'm looking for is something different. I've never had a flybarless heli or a gasser. If I want to go out and do 3d I can grab one of the 50 size helis, if I want to fly something a little different I would grab the gasser or the flybarless Trex 700. Just not sure which way to go.

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12-30-2009 03:28 PM  7 years agoPost 17
Louisiana Helicam

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I've owned both. Yes, gassers to make good bottom-end power but they suck for 3D when compared to a good 700 nitro. I wouldn't recommend anyone purchase a gasser unless:

a. You enjoy tinkering with them
b. You need it for lifting

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12-30-2009 03:32 PM  7 years agoPost 18
jschenck

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I watched at 6 plus minutes of it.

Very boring , it flies like a gasser. Almost as boring as a turbine heli...
I agree - but I think that has more to do with the pilot than the machine.
we don't need a flame war here.
No flame thrower here! I think it's been a pretty good discussion as far as N vs. G vs. E threads go. Nothing personal given or taken from my perspective.

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12-30-2009 03:46 PM  7 years agoPost 19
JRjoe

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No war.. Just a good discussion...


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12-30-2009 03:57 PM  7 years agoPost 20
Bundian

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Ok guys, we don't need a flame war here. I already have 2 50 size helis that will 3d all day long....a Trex 600 and a Hirobo SDX. What I'm looking for is something different. I've never had a flybarless heli or a gasser. If I want to go out and do 3d I can grab one of the 50 size helis, if I want to fly something a little different I would grab the gasser or the flybarless Trex 700. Just not sure which way to go.
The flybarless 700 cannot be compared to a 600 in 3D performance.
I've sold my 600 about 2 weeks after getting the 700.
Now that I converted it to flybarless it's even more insane!

You dial it the way you want it in 2 minutes and it flies awesome!

Fly it like you stole it!!!

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