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12-30-2009 02:47 PM  7 years agoPost 21
tryan02

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Interesting nobody yet wants to be called Novice or Expert. I will assume cause Novice means lack of skill and expert means with this group you would have to video prove yourself and be opened to ridicule.

I will classify myself as complete Novice I dont know everything about anything. I am still listening and always learning new things from people. So I will more than likely never advance.

And melnic the instructor comment well I kinda resemble that remark I am a plane and heli instructor at the local club. You dont have to master a subject to help get someone started. You should always which I am sure you are be happy to share your experience with others to help them out in getting started. Just remember your experience isnt always the perfect path just your experience always keep an open mind cause they maybe able to teach you a thing or two also.

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12-30-2009 03:01 PM  7 years agoPost 22
stocky

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And melnic the instructor comment well I kinda resemble that remark I am a plane and heli instructor at the local club. You dont have to master a subject to help get someone started
What is it?
Those that can - Do
Those that can't - Teach

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12-30-2009 03:11 PM  7 years agoPost 23
tryan02

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I wouldnt take that from anyone but you Stocky!!!

My point was share what you know to get others in the hobby. Thats more important than the pissing contest of how good you are. Cause yes a pissing contest is all it is on the way to calling yourself a 3D pilot. I guess my poor flying skills are humbling I dont feel the need to brag.

There is only one Guy on here I ever seen refer to himself as a NO 3D pilot? wonder why?

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12-30-2009 03:40 PM  7 years agoPost 24
Melnic

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Tryan, you've been on this forum for what? 2 years?

Let me clarify....That's good enough to instruct depending on how much time you spend and your maturity. I'm talking the guys who can barely hover for 3 months then start blabbing.. I don't think I see that around here.

I became a club instructor for helis I think in about 2 years of heli flying but that was mostly cause there were only 3 heli pilots when I started and someone had to do it.

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12-30-2009 03:53 PM  7 years agoPost 25
tryan02

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I became a club instructor for helis I think in about 2 years of heli flying but that was mostly cause there were only 3 heli pilots when I started and someone had to do it.
thats funny.

Well I am one of three that fly helis and 2 rarely show up maybe 4 or 5 times a year. And I am dang tired of fixing coaxials. I helped a few get setup with CP helis they went home to try it and never came back?

I can only imagine what happened. Well I know what happened they saw 3D and went home to try it.

Now I do have a plane student that will never get the hang of it and he is buying a 3D plane. I have to take a PZ t-28 trojan back from him on the buddy box 1 or 2 times a flight.

The mental aspect on this one is harder than the instructing. I have even handed him over to a better pilot than me and he told me I was right there is nothing I can do.

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12-30-2009 06:07 PM  7 years agoPost 26
racin06

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Indianapolis, Indiana

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Yes, "3D" is overused. "Beginner" and "novice" are very easy to define, but "intermediate" and "expert" are more difficult to pin down. I can perform flips, rolls, hover inverted in all orientations and perform inverted FF; however, do I consider myself a 3D pilot? Not by any means. So, am I a sport flyer? Am I an intermediate? What am I? It's difficult to define, IMO.

We also learn different maneuvers in different orders. Though I can perform inverted hovering/FF, I have yet to confidently nail down backwards flight...upright or inverted. I simply chose to learn inverted hovering/FF before learning backwards flight. I could have easily chose to learn backwards flight before learning inverted hovering/FF.

I believe the most important aspect is that a person continues to learn new maneuvers, irrespective of the order.

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12-30-2009 08:52 PM  7 years agoPost 27
J_Cunny

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"Wow never would have expected to crash twice because my Tool was cold, Thanks for the heads up."

Yea, it's in the Ray's DVD series.think disk 5..many miss it..

JC

I used to be normal, but then I started flying heli's....

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12-31-2009 02:39 AM  7 years agoPost 28
Melnic

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Columbia, MD,USA

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4 of the 7 guys that I helped set up their Trex, EXI or HK450 this year ended up joining a heli only club and park fly most of the time anyway. 2 guys I never heard back from, even an email. One guy I fly with regularly and I have to hold him back from trying things that he's not ready for cause he is 3 steps ahead of himself on the sim but still has not looped it.

I did inverted before backwards as well. I don't see the order as a big deal but I don't think people should go too far before learning Nose in. It would be nice for a list of maneuvers to progress through in order, that would be helpful for people I help or even for myself. Every time I think I'm ready to learn a piro flip, I find something else easier that I should learn first.

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12-31-2009 02:55 AM  7 years agoPost 29
Gregor99

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Western Wa

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Somewhere there was a list of skills in order of progression that I've been following. Can't find it now, and not really sure I need a list any longer.

One thing I can say for sure is that every new thing I've tried exposes weaknesses in my fundimental skills. When I started work on upright backwards, it was my weakness flying nose-in that held me back. So it's back to more nose-in work before proceeding.

The approach that I've been taking is that all the orietations, forward and backwards flight should be mastered before trying any so-called 3d moves. There is no point in practicing a piro flip when you can't do nose-in. I only learned flips as a way to get into and out of inverted.

I choose to learn backwards upright before moving on to inverted. I'm finding that most pilots do it the other way and only learn backwards upright after learning inverted. I must admit that its alot harder than anything else I've done. Although I'm confortable with it now, it's taken a long time. Time that I didn't get to use toward learning inverted or other 3d moves. So it feels like I'm behind.

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12-31-2009 03:22 AM  7 years agoPost 30
tryan02

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I dont understand you guy's have been working non-stop for a few years to get the same skills some of these kids on here start doing within the first few months if not weeks. hahaha,nudge,nudge,jab,jab.

Just kidding guy's seeing a vid of a heli upside down 100ft up drifting all over the place is not very impressive. Keep it up it practically disgust me even watching the wild uncontrolled stickbanging some call 3D.

Here is some motivation this I would not call 3D I would call it poetry in motion. Sorry HeliKV its one of those big heli's.

Not sure but this guy may be an expert?

Watch at YouTube

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12-31-2009 03:41 AM  7 years agoPost 31
slider46

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Ocala Florida

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Novice, no "3D" pilot and proud of it....... I like the way I fly....

Tom..... No "D" flying....

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12-31-2009 04:45 AM  7 years agoPost 32
Gregor99

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Western Wa

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I dont understand you guy's have been working non-stop for a few years to get the same skills some of these kids on here start doing within the first few months if not weeks.
Nothing is ever what it seems. We've learned that time and time again. The kid that is doing sloppy 3d after a week of flying, actually has been flying two years and still cannot do nose in. Just one example, and there plenty more. But its possible and very likely that a youngster would progress faster than me. The gray matter is fresher and under less stress. But even more important is how my flight times kids get compared to us old guys with jobs, families, soccer games, recitals, swim meets, cub scouts, over time, commuting, and rediculous deadlines.

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12-31-2009 04:54 AM  7 years agoPost 33
tryan02

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Not to mention the wallet that buys the crash parts.

But man is that some graceful flying or what?

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12-31-2009 03:40 PM  7 years agoPost 34
Melnic

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Impressive part of that vid is not only did he do that over water, but INTO the sun!

I agree, Inverted takes more time to learn than backwards. At least it was for me.

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12-31-2009 05:43 PM  7 years agoPost 35
tryan02

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I was always curious in that vid the boat was moving pretty fast. Whats it like to fly from a moving platform?

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