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12-28-2009 06:23 PM  7 years agoPost 21
RayJayJohnsonJr

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While I've never owned a DX7, I have set up a heli and flown with it. The DX7, in my opinion, feels like a cheap toy next to the 9303. I didn't care for it. FWIW..

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12-28-2009 06:53 PM  7 years agoPost 22
cudaboy_71

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DX6 was introduced as a test TX first, I got mine around 2006. It was sold for park flyers, with limited range and AR6000 came with the DX6.

DX7 (which is full range) was introduced couple of years after DX6 was tested out by consumers. Then came the modules, and after that the x9303
correct. but, a lot of people don't remember the *real* DX6 and lump in the DX6i as the DX6.

just worth pointing out. the DX6i is what comes with the B400 FYI and is a different animal.

if it ain't broke, break it.

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12-28-2009 07:32 PM  7 years agoPost 23
OICU812

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The DX7SE is not the same speed wise as the 9303. The 9303 has 2048 resolution and a latency of about .21, whereas the DX7SE has 2048 resolution with a latency of .11.

Team Avant
100% correct, the Dx7SE and 9303 are not equal and this is in fact the difference to note for those saying they are equal in speed and resolution.

...Once upon a time there were Nitros, flybars and frequency pins...

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12-28-2009 08:01 PM  7 years agoPost 24
cudaboy_71

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i don't think anyone has said they were equal in speed. not in this thread anyway.

IIRC the DX7SE is the fastest spektrum offering to date. and, that has pretty much everything to do with the 9303X pushing an extra 2 channels than the SE...everything else being equal software-wise.

if it ain't broke, break it.

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12-28-2009 08:53 PM  7 years agoPost 25
rudyy

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Putting aside all the functions and features, I like the look and feel of 9303 more than DX7.

Rudy

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12-28-2009 09:52 PM  7 years agoPost 26
Dilbeck

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Would you believe that most people like the feel of a heaver radio or heaver in anything electronic? Some manufactures add weight to things like stereo systems and controllers to make them seem of higher quality. If you dig futher and open them up you will see what I mean.

Clint

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12-28-2009 10:45 PM  7 years agoPost 27
colsy

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If the DX7 had a scroll wheel, and some grippy material on the rear case, it would be perfect.

DSX9 Menu-Interface is perfect.

I hated my dx7's beacause of the buttons/menu. sure the 9303 is more than most of us 'need', but it's way nicer to live with.!!!!!

Col.

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12-28-2009 11:33 PM  7 years agoPost 28
rudyy

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Yes, I like that little scroll button on my 9303.. very unique.

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12-29-2009 01:28 AM  7 years agoPost 29
Sillyness

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What is your heli like?

If you buy every piece of anodized bling that you can find to doctor your heli up and really think it will make you a better pilot, + your thumbs tremble trying to push buttons and you need a scroll wheel to live because you are re-programming your heli every weekend, then get the 9303.

If you build your helis light, fast, and powerful and like hardcore perfomance... get the DX7 and buy 12 gallons of fuel with the money you save.

I've used both. I program a lot of other guys' helis with 9303s too (I'm kind of a setup snob).

The only reason the 9303 feels better, IMHO, is that it is heavier and thicker. A friend put a pound and a half of lead in his DX7 and said it feels the same.

For me, the 9303 doesn't have any USABLE functions over the DX7 for helis (except for a slow-ramp up when turning throttle-hold off, though I'm an all-or-nothing auto guy). The only "EXTRAs" it has are text screens that descibe exactly what you are doing... i.e. you can go to a screen that says GOVERNOR instead of just setting the gear channel ATVs. It also has gyro gain you can slave to flight modes... i.e. if your head-speed is faster in Idle2 you can have a lower gain associated with it. I always fly the same head speed so it always responds the same, so this feature doesn't do anything for me.

I am in the market for a new radio too, though I'm probably going to get a Spektrum module for my 12Z (for 35%-42% airplane use). I fly IMAC too and, frankly, JR programming sucks compared to Futaba (the 12X included). I just don't like FAAST. If you were into programming and found out what the 12Z can you youd never buy another airplane radio.

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12-29-2009 01:36 AM  7 years agoPost 30
Jeff polisena

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Ive had all TX from cheap futaba / JR to top end futaba /JR I like the dx7 / DX7SE for simple use and throw away worries . When I had 14mz or 10X I always worried either they were getting dirty or dropped or maybe stolen . If your flying doesn't require to use more functions than DX7/DX7SE have then your fine unless you like the bling . Now if you use FBL the se is usable but I feel not necessary but on FB machines the SE makes a difference.

I stole it ,flew it and gave it back ;)

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12-29-2009 02:15 AM  7 years agoPost 31
Dilbeck

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Would you believe that most people like the feel of a heaver radio or heaver anything electronic? Some manufactures add weight to things like stereo systems and controllers to make them seem of higher quality.
The only reason the 9303 feels better, IMHO, is that it is heavier and thicker. A friend put a pound and a half of lead in his DX7 and said it feels the same

Clint

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12-29-2009 05:55 AM  7 years agoPost 32
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If you were into programming and found out what the 12Z can you youd never buy another airplane radio.
While we on the topic of programming, Multiplex's Royal Evo 12 makes 12z look like a children toy.

Of course, the biggest compliant with Evo12 is it will literally require a ComputerSci grad to take advantage all of its function.

In my case, x9303 just happen to strike the right balance for price ($450), programming robustness and weight (that's if you are the guy the add lead to your DX7).

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12-29-2009 06:04 AM  7 years agoPost 33
wws2010

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Where can you find a 9303 for 450?

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12-29-2009 10:52 AM  7 years agoPost 34
Yug

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Both Txes have more than enough functions for honest 3D flight but both have a crappy balance point so tweekage is required. Both are significantly quick to feel well connected. However, the winner for me is the DX7 simply because the gimbals are light and silky smooth, unlike the X9303 which are heavy and clunky.

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12-29-2009 01:24 PM  7 years agoPost 35
mattraby

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You can find a 9303 anywhere (Used) for less than 300 all the time. Just post a WTB ad on this site. Im sure someone has one they are willing to let go. Thats how i got mine.

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12-29-2009 03:16 PM  7 years agoPost 36
JRjoe

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Where can you find a 9303 for 450?
That's for a new Heli TX and RX only(no servos) and most GOOD hobby shops would probably get you one.


JRjoe.....
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12-29-2009 03:38 PM  7 years agoPost 37
bjacks

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X9303

I don't know too many hobby shops are going to loose $20.00 to sell you a new in box Tx and Rx for $450.00, you need to tell us where there at, you sell new stuff all the time, how many new in box X9303 do you have or sold for $450.00, if you don't want to post it you can PM me since you know where there at. Bobby

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12-29-2009 03:50 PM  7 years agoPost 38
Sillyness

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While we on the topic of programming, Multiplex's Royal Evo 12 makes 12z look like a children toy.

Of course, the biggest compliant with Evo12 is it will literally require a ComputerSci grad to take advantage all of its function.

In my case, x9303 just happen to strike the right balance for price ($450), programming robustness and weight (that's if you are the guy the add lead to your DX7).
WARNING... this is off topic

I owned a Evo 12. Unless they signifcantly upgraded the firmware then there is no way it can touch a 12Z. It was missing some very basic functions... like expo doesn't change with flight modes, only rates. This is why I sold it.

There are some other significant downfalls for GS 3D birds and sailplanes... for example, there are ATVs (like JR) but no absolute travel limits. With JR and multiplex, if you have a rudder to elevator mix AND an elevator set up in 3D rates so that it is about to bind at full throw, when you input the rudder it will drive the elevator PAST the ATV endpoint and bind the servo/surface. BAD! The 12Z has both ATVs (the max throw you want for a pure input) and absolute travel limits (the servo SHALL NEVER go beyond this point regardless of mixes, etc...). This is also key for sailplanes where the same surfaces are used for spoilers, ailerons, reflex, etc...

The MOST amazing part of the 12Z is that ANYTHING can be used as a switch... including the sticks... and logic circuits can be set up so certain modes are only activated with certain combos of switches/stick movements!!!!!!

Example... I have 6 snap modes on my IMAC plane and I never flip a switch. The logic circuits are set up like this:

IF Full Up elevator + Full L or R Aileron + Full L or R Rudder + High throttle setting (you set this point yourself) THEN throws are set for an upline positive snap. Release any of the 3 sticks and throws go back to my hammer/roller mode. SWEET!

The same scenario is set up for:
Upline Positive Snaps
Upline Negative Snaps
Level/45 Positive Snaps
Level/45 Negative Snaps
Downline Positive Snaps
Downline Upline Negative Snaps

If I wanted to add more modes for left and right snaps I could so that too for 12 snap modes alone... this is all without flipping a switch. On my single switch I have:
1: 3D MODE w/ the above snap modes auto disabled (would suck to accidentally go to low throws in a rolling harrier)
2: Hammer/Roller Mode
3: Spin Mode w/ snap modes auto-disabled (need throw for spins... would again suck to accidentally go into snap mode)

Lets see an EVO do that!

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12-29-2009 09:13 PM  7 years agoPost 39
Jeff polisena

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Just to tell you , you can get 9303 for 450.00 horizon droped price on heli version

I stole it ,flew it and gave it back ;)

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12-29-2009 10:07 PM  7 years agoPost 40
Jeff polisena

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After using all types of transmitters I found DX7 is the best for the job I need it to do

I stole it ,flew it and gave it back ;)

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