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HelicopterCentury Radikal G20-30 N640 Hawk Predator › question about radical and century heli parts
11-20-2009 08:28 PM  7 years agoPost 1
xxcysxx

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hi fellas,
where do you guys buy your radical kits from. i was searching around the only two places i found of are heli-world and century heli itself. i wanted to check the replacement part cost for the radical but they're no where to be found. i crash very frequently i'm looking to have this radical as my next beater.

i'm fond of the idea of just carry a jug of gas, a heli and my transmitter to the field, and this radical really appeal to me in that direction. but look like raplacement parts are pretty exlusive or non-existence.

no, i will not do electric!

Tam

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11-20-2009 08:48 PM  7 years agoPost 2
Frank Bostwick

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Heli-World and Century are one in the same. Rons HP South carries Century as well, I dont know if he has this very new kit in stock yet. The kit is so new they may not have the parts on line yet. I have flown Century for a few years now, they have a good parts program not to mention there own factory. I haven't run into supply problems in a long time. I will admit I wish there were more options to buy from but Im in the same boat with my Logo so Im glad both suppliers are so good.

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11-20-2009 10:01 PM  7 years agoPost 3
xxcysxx

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oh well, i'll wait another year or two until part support is more resourceful.

Tam

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11-20-2009 10:46 PM  7 years agoPost 4
MotorRotor

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oh well, i'll wait another year or two until part support is more resourceful.
If you live in the USA, you may be waiting a long time. This has been covered many, many times over the years, here in this forum. It seems Century has no intention of getting a good network of established shops selling their product there in the USA. That is probably because it would present direct competition to their own retail operation.

So it seems to have always been a Catch 22. The other top mail order shops do not want to handle Century in any worthwhile manner, like they do other brands, as long as they feel they have to compete with the manufacturer directly.

I don't think Heli-Proz or Ron Lund would be all that interested in advertizing and promoting Align, JR, or Hirobo etc., if these manufacturers opened mail order stores in the USA and also started selling directly to their customers.

So don't hold your breath.

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11-20-2009 11:00 PM  7 years agoPost 5
Blade_Master1

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Marketing

I'll agree with some of those comments

Century's Marketing & distribution SUCKS big time

As a manufacturer they should not be cutting their retailers throatsselling to the retailer at nearly the same price you & I pay from them.
Stores won't stock parts because they don't have a large enough profit margin from selling Century
So basicaly Century chooses to shoot itself in the foot

They launched the Raven NX properly with parts support shortly after

Why they didn't do the same with the Radikal ???

I don't know who is responsible for Century's Marketing & Distribution
but if I were the owner you can bet I'd relocate him someplace very very cold

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11-21-2009 12:39 AM  7 years agoPost 6
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oh man here we go !!! ,,,,,,

it's 3/8 of one thing to 3/8 of another thing, meaning you may gain here but you loose somewhere else, that's the hobby !!!!!!!

Century does sell to shops, I do buy sometimes from a shop in Mass that does stock many Century parts, and he WILL order from Century if a customer wants something he doesn't stock, so with that I do know Century offers Wholesale direct to shops,, to add my Local Shop in my Home Town will NOT sell any heli or any heli parts, not even Blades, that is why I have to buy else-where !!,,

now lets look back,,
yes I had to pay shipping for my Century 30/50s,, BUT, my first Century Hawk SEv2 back in 002 cost me $50 less than a Raptor 30 did (Hawk SEv2 $330/Raptor $370 less bearings), yet my Hawk came stock with all the Bearings, Metal Swash, Metal/Plastic Head Block, 4mm Flybar,,, AND, and Carbon Blade,, did your Raptor come with a Metall Swash and Carbon Blades in 0002 ?,,, NOT, No, NoDa !!!!

so even paying $30 for 3-Day UPS (as I did) my Hawk was $20 less than buying a Raptor at a Shop 100 miles from my home,, annnd lets add the Gas it would cost me to drive a 180 miles round trip to buy that Raptor,,

Oh and if I did happen to buy the Raptor,, I would have had to buy all those upgrades and $90 Carbon Blades to make it the heli my Hawk SEv2 was out of the box,,

BTW,, I did have a Raptor 30 and it blew-up on me on it's 3rd flight while hovering 3ft off the ground,, that is why I bought my Hawk,, so please don't think I don't know the prices back then,,

so, you can thank Century because your Raptor (and other plastic brands) are equipped today with a Metal Swash and Carbon Blades,, yes yes yes yes, it was Century that pushed the market's standards for today's plastic helis !!!!!!!!!!

Jim
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11-21-2009 01:09 AM  7 years agoPost 7
MotorRotor

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Century does sell to shops, I do buy sometimes from a shop in Mass that does stock many Century parts, and he WILL order from Century if a customer wants something he doesn't stock,
Of course they do, the key phrase in your statement is "he WILL order..." The question really is: WHY DO THEY NOT STOCK MOST OF IT!!! Yet I bet that same shop stocks much more of some other brands. Brands that do not have their own retail arm to compete against him.
so with that I do know Century offers Wholesale direct to shops,, to add my Local Shop in my Home Town will NOT sell any heli or any heli parts, not even Blades
Of course they wholesale to the type of mom and pop shop that does not stock heli parts. That is not the type of support we are talking of here. Here we are talking of other retail shops that do stock helis in a big way.
BUT, my first Century Hawk SEv2 back in 002 cost me $50 less than a Raptor 30 did (Hawk SEv2 $330/Raptor $370 less bearings), yet my Hawk came stock with all the Bearings, Metal Swash, Metal/Plastic Head Block, 4mm Flybar,,, AND, and Carbon Blade,, did your Raptor come with a Metall Swash and Carbon Blades in 0002 ?,,, NOT, No, NoDa !!!!
I agree 100%, even the HAWK PRO ia a much better heli then the Rappy 30V2, or any other 30 out there. So why did the Raptor or some of the others outsell the Hawk 20 to 1? Ditto for the Raven 50, a great 50, but why was it outsold by 20/1 or so by the Raptor 50? Simply because the Raptor had a bigger distribution base. Thunder Tiger/ACE made sure to have a marketing plan that induced hobby shops to get on board and support all of their products. One that included every mover & shaker that sold R/C helicopters in the USA. This is not rocket science.
BTW,, I did have a Raptor 30 and it blew-up on me on it's 3rd flight while hovering 3ft off the ground,,
And I will bet dollars to dougnuts that was because you had not glued the plastic blade roots to the blade grips. Seems I recall something about that here on RR many years ago when you became shaking the Century pompoms. I was going to mention it then but I thought I would be kind.
so, you can thank Century because your Raptor (and other plastic brands) are equipped today with a Metal Swash and Carbon Blades,, yes yes yes yes, it was Century that pushed the market's standards for today's plastic helis !!!!!!!!!!
No arguement there. But that just begs the question even more: WHY HAVE THEY NOT PENETRATED THE MARKET AS THEIR PRODUCT DESERVES???

The answer is one word - HELI-WORLD.

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11-21-2009 02:13 AM  7 years agoPost 8
oldfart

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This is a pretty complicated question.

In the past, the biggest part of the "selling" of any product was all done by the local hobby shop. We all only bought what they stocked and what they flew themselves. Product they could themselves demonstrate to be worth our hard earned cash. Product they could vouch for and could help us with - be it airplanes or helis.

Now, many hobby shops do not even fly anything, they are more like clerks with a store front. So most of the marketing and selling has to be done by the manufacturer and/or distributor. Yet many of these hobby shops still want to make the same margins as they did in the past, when they had to do all the work, when they had to do the selling of it to their locals, by building it and demonstrating it to their customers. Yet many no longer do that, yet they still want the same profit margins?

Of course, there are the new generation of specialty hobby shops like Heli Proz and Ron Lund (Heli-Proz South) and others I can name, that not only stock everything but also fly what they sell and go out to many events, local and far away, to demonstrate and sell product they carry and to help customers with what they have. This, I am sure, is what has built them into the retail icons of the R/C heli industry that they are.

But overall, the manufacturers such as Align, JR, Hirobo etc. have created such a demand for their products, by hiring "top-guns" to pump it everywhere and by using other marketing tools, that the clerk type of shop is forced to stock it, even if the margins are not what they want.

Of course. the cost of all this, insures that the cost to the end consumer, of all their product, will be higher then that of Century Product.

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11-21-2009 02:15 AM  7 years agoPost 9
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""And I will bet dollars to dougnuts that was because you had not glued the plastic blade roots to the blade grips. Seems I recall something about that here on RR many years ago when you became shaking the Century pompoms""

OK, since you think that was my fault,,
yes that is right, I did not glue the Grips on that Raptor, and that is because the TT Manual told me I did not need to !!, I was a newbe and I took it laterally, even when I asked the guy that trained me he told me to just do what my manual told me to do, why would a manual suggest such a thing in the first place ??, and IF you did a search you would find many other complaints back then for TT's replacement Wood Blades !!

as for my PomPomming for Century's side, that came from the way TT treated me when I told them about my Raptor blowing up on me, where do you think I came-up with the saying "That's The Hobby" because that is what I was told by TT when I told them my Raptor blew-up !!

and go back to 0002 and you will find how all the Raptor flyers could NOT get parts for their Raptors for 2 years, even Ron had a note posted on his site back then saying how he could not get TT parts, and that is another reason I bought my First Century, and when I crashed that Hawk I could get parts,,
this is just another one of those threads that can be Nit-Picked apart page after page..

Jim
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11-21-2009 02:26 AM  7 years agoPost 10
Blade_Master1

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Speaking with other hobby shop owners Align has a higher profit margin than Century and of course Align does a better marketing job

Not to make this a VS issue please

I believe it is up to the Manufacturer to Market the product to build interest
I believe it is up to the store to advertise that they have those popular products in stock

Hobby shops are carrying helimax parts because of the profit margin being higher than Century.

Century will have to revamp their bussiness structure if they want to survive.

They will have to move away from MOM & POP advertising tactics which marginaly cover local territory and start using a more modern approach to advertising.

" Century " is fast becoming " Last Century "
Wish we could call them Century21

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11-21-2009 02:27 AM  7 years agoPost 11
MAXHSHV

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well back to the original subject.xxcysxx there is another place that carries century stuff now, It's where i got my nx 50 and my radical.
http://www.XXXmodels.com/index.aspx
this guy as old fart says actually fly's the helis that he sells so he can answer your questions intelligently.

Century heli rep. To much power is never enough.

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11-21-2009 03:29 AM  7 years agoPost 12
xxcysxx

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nevermind

Tam

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11-21-2009 06:22 AM  7 years agoPost 13
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This is such a setup.. shame on you two...

xxcysxx, you make a commit, then you make a decision before a negative comment is made...

Motorotor, its obvious what you are a doing...

Century has just released a machine that has everyone's attention, and rightly so, because its going viral on it first production run, with little or no problems...

Oh, did I tell you how much I like this little gasser?

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11-21-2009 06:33 AM  7 years agoPost 14
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well, the truth is. the link is filtered. i wans't aware of censored links. right away i suspicious of the "XXX" but i click on it anyway, i even google "xxx models" and it turn out to be a porn site, "porn models". so i though he was mocking me.

Tam

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11-21-2009 06:46 AM  7 years agoPost 15
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Tam,, I don't know why "having to ship parts" alone would stop you from having the heli you want so much ??

Jim
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11-21-2009 07:51 AM  7 years agoPost 16
xxcysxx

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Hi jim,
"having to ship parts"? i buy all of my heli stuff online.

Tam

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11-21-2009 11:55 AM  7 years agoPost 17
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The parts should be Available the same day the helicopter is available, not the other way round. People want to know how much parts cost before deciding on purchasing the helicopter.
I´m going to wait a while and see how this turns out.

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11-21-2009 02:32 PM  7 years agoPost 18
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People want to know how much parts cost before deciding on purchasing the helicopter.
That's what I'm waiting for and reviews from non-associated people to give their honest opinions of this heli.

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11-21-2009 03:24 PM  7 years agoPost 19
bec123

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waiting for review

Hello All
I have waited in the past but this time I did not wait. Century has been building gassers for awhile, I like the look of the heli, It will be cheaper to run, even if it does not 3d it will still be fun heli, centuries other parts are not overly pricey. A good starting point for those on the fence is read the post started by billme Radikal 20 FYI (yes I know a century connection) as there is maxhshv and myself who have added comments and do not have a connection to century. We both speak of small issues but offer solutions. My heli is not complete yet but so far has been a real easy build, I am working on setting up the ar7100r sensor, but maxshshv has flown his and really likes it,,,also the video sold me even more as it is a stock heli and if I can fly that good I will be more than happy with this heli... and I am not taking shots at anyone...I just like the heli

bec

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11-21-2009 06:17 PM  7 years agoPost 20
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from what i was told parts are available for the radical they are just behind on getting them up on there site so you have to call.

Century heli rep. To much power is never enough.

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