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HelicopterHIROBOHirobo Freya › SDX'ed Freya ????
10-22-2009 06:49 AM  8 years agoPost 1
Paul Woodcock

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Hi Guys

Do you think Hirobo will make a Freya with an SDX style upper frame, canopy and head ?

A Turbulence style clutch would be great, but may be a little complex to do in plastic.....

I would buy one without even thinking!!!!

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Paul

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10-22-2009 09:06 PM  8 years agoPost 2
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I hope i see this next Spring in Nuernberg

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11-08-2009 06:27 AM  8 years agoPost 3
Aaron29

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In my opinion what you are describing is simply the Turbulence with a plastic frame.

What you are describing isn't really a Freya.

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11-08-2009 07:11 AM  8 years agoPost 4
Dr.Ben

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Regardless of the descriptor, a revised intermediate level, 90 sized model with a new core mechanic and which utilizes Hirobo's killer control system would be very well received. We already have great rotor heads and t/r systems.

Ben Minor

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11-08-2009 07:13 AM  8 years agoPost 5
Aaron29

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Honestly, I think the HPM Freya Evo 90 is a great heli as it was. I'm sort of blown away that it's not being imported anymore.

There needs to be an intermediate level 90 size.

Hirobo seems to think that there should be no helis between their SDX and the D3. That's a 1050 dollar gap. In this economy.

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11-08-2009 07:18 AM  8 years agoPost 6
Aaron29

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The Evo 90 was a GREAT bird. You can put the SSZ-IV head and D3 tail on it.

The only thing I think the Evo needs is a better clutch system, perhaps the D3's..

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11-08-2009 07:25 AM  8 years agoPost 7
Aaron29

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The discontinuance of Evo 90 imports to the USA is almost too wierd not to be part of a bigger plan.

Maybe Hirobo has a plan here.

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11-08-2009 11:44 AM  8 years agoPost 8
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Hirobo seems to think that there should be no helis between their SDX and the D3. That's a 1050 dollar gap. In this economy.
I have said this before and I will say it again. That is not Hirobo's thinking. MRC and Hirobo know the D3 is expensive. The Freya EVO is not selling like it should. HIROBO IS STILL PRODUCING THE FREYA.

Is it the Economy? Is it the fact that the helicopter is dated amongst the Competition? I don’t have the answers to those questions.
I do know one thing. Hirobo is not going to leave anyone high and dry. We still have parts. We are still importing parts and we are working with Hirobo to bring you new models.

MRC Host

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11-08-2009 11:59 AM  8 years agoPost 9
Aaron29

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Greg,

I'm huge on the Evo. And I know I'll be able to get parts for it. Just like people can still get parts for the Shuttle and the Sceadu. But my problem is this; If the Freya Evo is just not selling as it should, how is pulling it from the shelves going to help that?

I understand no one is being left high and dry.

But what is happening to Hirobo's market share of that intermediate 90 sized heli? This is NOT going to help. If it wasn't selling as it should have been, it CERTAINLY isn't selling now.

It just is a wierd move. The shuttle was replaced by the sceadu. The sceadu was replaced by the sceadu evo. The sceadu evo was replaced by the SDX. All that is logical.

But what was the Freya Evo 90 replaced with?

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11-08-2009 12:04 PM  8 years agoPost 10
Aaron29

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I also don't like the fact that the Evo 90 isn't selling. I can't understand why.

It fills a lot of squares for me. It's an easy build, an inexpensive build. An easy repair. An inexpensive repair. It flies well and has good balance between hover and 3D.

People say it's heavy. That IS a concern for the 3D crowd. But that heft carries it through maneuvers well and makes it VERY stable and tracking is nice.

I like it as is.

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11-08-2009 12:41 PM  8 years agoPost 11
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Hello everyone,

I think for most 90 size heli, the weight ends up to be around 4.7 to about 5.1kg (flying). I believe that Evo 90 is in this camp. The Synergy N9 is also quite a heavy heli. The only other 2 helis that I know will be in the lighter side of things is MA and TREX.

I really don't think it is an issue to be honest, but like most of you, it is quite peculiar as the reason to why Evo 90 is not selling like it should be...

It could be a perception thing. HIROBO is always known for making really good F3C flagship and this is really a perception for most people that I talked to.

All in all, the Evo 90 is indeed a good all round heli stock.

Cheers,

JH

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11-08-2009 01:48 PM  8 years agoPost 12
Aaron29

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It is good. So why isn't it selling?

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11-08-2009 03:09 PM  8 years agoPost 13
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After this two weeks of reading about this topic with Hirobo it has come to mind to believe next spring we are going to see a well price dynamite new 90 size bird , most likely with the SDX head and all the Hirobo goodies attached to it .
So, don't Worry be Happy !

Roberto.

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11-08-2009 03:38 PM  8 years agoPost 14
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Aaron,

I personally think that the Freya EVO is not selling much is because in most people's eyes (read the 3D crowd), it's not a particularly sexy machine. That's the end of it. The Freya EXs are sexy machines, the Eagle 3s are sexy machines. But they are way, way, out of the price range for effective market dominance.

I remember a time when all there really was, was the Freya, the Vibe, the Fury and the Raptor 90. Now we have the TRex, the Synergy, the Aurora, the Predator, the Avro, the Srimok etc. . . all entering the 90 market at a reasonable price for a carbon/g10 framed heli. So what do you think this effect might be on the market? Nearly all the helis at my field are Aligns - go figure!!! Me and another person are the only ones who fly Hirobo, and there's one Vibe SG and one Srimok, and this out of about 120 members!!!!

I'd like to see if Hirobo could come up with a "plastic"/cheaper version of the Turbulence somehow, that shares most of its design. This would be a great product, and it might be lighter since they'll probably dispense with the top and lower frames set pairs and only have one frame set pair to reduce weight etc...

When the economy is bad the first industry that gets hits worse is obviously going to be the leisure sector.

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11-09-2009 02:18 PM  8 years agoPost 15
EagleMan!

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I think I would agree with the quote from the last post as to have a new mid-range 90 size hirobo heli that uses the Turbulence technology but at a much cheaper cost.

I think if we retain the Turbulence head and just leaving the metal yoke and metal wash-out as a new FFZ-4 head (lets say), it would be great as a start...I think this could shave off about maybe $400 maybe...

The G10 frame is fine, and perhaps come out with a cheaper aluminium main gear hub that retains the same bearings inside the current blue anodized hub would be another savings.

And lastly, a plastic canopy as opposed to the FRP canopy.

All in all, with the above changes, I think it will definitely bring the price down by about $500 from what it is now.

With that in mind, then all of the sudden it would be really competitive again (in terms of affordability) amongst all the other good helis out there...

Just a passing thoughts...

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11-09-2009 02:36 PM  8 years agoPost 16
Paul Woodcock

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Hi EagleMan!

I think you have a great idea. The canopy alone would save quite a lot.
There are also quite a few 'blue bits' that could be 'down graded' to plastic.

If you could get a 'low spec' Turbulence at around $1000 it would sell.

On that note, have you looked at the "Turbulence D3 EX 3d Masters victory model" ?

http://www.world-of-heli.de/hubschr...tory-model.html

Looks way cool......unfortunately only in German

I got a 2nd SDX in the post today....."Dominik Edition SDX", all the upgrades in the box.

http://www.world-of-heli.de/hubschr...ik-edition.html

Regards
Paul

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11-10-2009 09:11 AM  8 years agoPost 17
EagleMan!

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Hello Paul,

Hahaha...you are a HIROBO Freak!...

That is cool.

Yes I did see it in the German website...

I really don't think the tail case needs to be part of the blue bit though...

But like you said, if the "Lower" spec Turbulence do come out next year, it would be great!

"If it doesn't work...TRY HARDER!!"

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11-10-2009 09:33 AM  8 years agoPost 18
Aaron29

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Please don't take this the wrong way...
But what was wrong with the G-10 version?

I saw videos of stock turbulences with the G-10 frames and honestly it looked spectacular! Will the CF frames improve on it, or are we doing this for looks?

This reminds me of guys buying the Miniature Aircraft Tempest just a few years ago. The G-10 framed "Tempest 3D" and "Fury" were pieces of art for their time and flew spectacularly. But then so many people wanted carbon that they would either buy the Tempest FAI and replace the head with the 3D head. Or they'd put aftermarket CF frames on the Tempest or Fury. They'd pay an arm and leg to get the G-10 "upgraded" to CF.

Just so they could have carbon frames.

Maybe Dominik can come in here and comment on the differences?

(I'm baiting, here! I'm not sure he'd be allowed to say!)

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11-10-2009 09:35 AM  8 years agoPost 19
Aaron29

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That said, the SDX upgrades seem more functional. Especially the carbon baseplate.

And I wish I'd seen the black delrin maingear before I upgraded to the old white sceadu one.

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11-10-2009 11:55 AM  8 years agoPost 20
Paul Woodcock

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Hi Aaron29

On the D3, the carbon would reduce the weight and look cool..... dont we all love cool..... but yes WAY over the top.

On the SDX, the black gear is 89t vs the white 87t. I also love the baseplate and cooling extension.

Regards
Paul

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