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10-25-2009 08:27 PM  8 years agoPost 861
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Cures for diseases and cleaner fuels are.
This requires science.Not god.
Right on mcrackin.

The Hunt for Cleaner Fuel.
If God was really on the ball he would have delivered every city with their own little steam turbine sitting over a hot spot to hell. Eternal steam driven energy with all that infinate heat.

Now thats what I would call inteligent design.

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10-25-2009 08:27 PM  8 years agoPost 862
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If my child dies at 4 yrs old and I die 50 yrs later,when we are "reunited",will my child be as a 4 yr old or what?Will he be 44?
No matter what,he will be a stranger to me.People as well as relationships are the sum of their experiences.
The answer to your question would be when the child comes back in the resurrection it will be the same age it was when it died. So the child might not be as strange to you as you are to it. But this is not an obstacle, you would have thousands, millions, billions and an eternity to get to know each other again.

In my opinion I think it is the opposite, no amount of pain would compare with the possibility of a blissful eternal life. Like I said I am willing to face that pain.
I'm not trying to change your beliefs.I'm not even interested in your beliefs. I'm just saying you can't change mine nor is it your place to try.
If this is the case why do you keep making post with questions in them like this?
Religious freaks spend way too much time trying to make the world see things THEIR way and not nearly enough time contributing to it.
You can be a religious person but this doesn't mean you have to be a religious freak!

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10-25-2009 08:30 PM  8 years agoPost 863
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Blademaster,
I went to the site you suggested, found this article and started reading. That is, until I got to this part:

"Indeed, Darwin’s theory of evolution was a daring attempt to make God’s existence unnecessary; evolution really is the origins myth of atheism. It was developed for the purpose of giving humans the freedom to act without accountability to a higher power."

I figured that an article titled "The Bible and Evolution" would point out flaws in the theory of evolution. Sadly, what I found was an article that sets out to ignore the message, and attack the messenger.

"Evolutionists can also rationalize all kinds of immoral behaviors as merely part of the evolution of man; nothing is inherently bad." And, "The Bible teaches only Jesus Christ can save the human race and restore us to paradise — and only through grace by faith. Evolution teaches, as the devil said 6,000 years ago, that the human race can save itself, and we will one day become like gods if we try hard enough."

The article only gives anecdotal evidence to support such preposterous claims. By doing so, the author has implied that ALL "evolutionists" are evil. The article is nothing but an attack on people who believe differently than he does. There was nothing at all in the article that made any attempt to discredit the theory. It only attempted to discredit the people. What a bigoted crock of BS.

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10-25-2009 09:00 PM  8 years agoPost 864
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By doing so, the author has implied that ALL "evolutionists" are evil.
At its very core, atheism balks at the existence of an objective right and wrong. Obviously, not all atheists are ready to commit the evil their beliefs would allow for. However, to the atheistic evolutionist, humans have simply evolved into a society that currently frowns on theft and murder. But we could just as easily evolve into something else, and the result could not objectively be called good or bad. Blood could run in the streets and evolutionists could simply label it as “eliminating the weaker members of the species.”
from the same page
Is it so surprising then that the horrors of the Holocaust find their underpinnings in the theory of evolution? An examination of the writings of Hitler and other Nazis reveals that Darwinism heavily influenced the policies of WWII Germany. In fact, many people are surprised to learn that the entire title of Darwin’s Origin of Species is: “On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection or the Preservation of Favored Races in the Struggle for Life” (emphasis added). Hitler labeled Jews as an inferior race and less than human, thereby justifying murder, torture, and ghastly human experiments in the name of survival of the fittest. And racism continues today because many people believe that some humans are more highly evolved than others. But racism directly contradicts the Bible, which says God “has made from one blood every nation of men to dwell on all the face of the earth” (Acts 17:26 NKJV).

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10-25-2009 09:05 PM  8 years agoPost 865
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Hear is another extract from the same article 1stplace mentions.
A Bad Foundation
Teaching our children the lesson that there is no absolute right and wrong is very dangerous. It has caused a disaster in our public schools, our court system, and for the very fabric of our society.

A false understanding of human origins ultimately degrades society. Consider the nations that have made atheism the core of their culture — the former Soviet Union, Cuba, China, and Vietnam. I’ve been to Russia and China and have seen the devastating effects of atheism: Suicide, alcoholism, and spousal abuse are epidemics. Atheism offers no hope or purpose for life.
Communism is a whole different beast than Atheism. Socialist ideals run wild with evil intentions and misuse of education.

So how do we explain the secularisation of Norway.
Depending on the definition of atheism, Norway thus has between 26 percent and 71 percent atheists. The Norwegian Humanist Association is the world's largest humanist association per capita.
And what has secularism done to Norway? The Global Peace Index rates Norway the most peaceful country in the world. The Human Development Index, a comparative measure of life expectancy, literacy, education and standard of living, has ranked Norway No. 1 every year for the last five years.
Norway has the second highest GDP per capita in the world, an unemployment rate below 2 percent, and average hourly wages among the world's highest.
To put this extract in proper context the whole article can be read here.
[url=http://dailyatheist.blogspot.com/2007/10/norway-flourishes-as-secular-nation.html]

or the same info with a little humour attatched

i can say that living in Australia which has a large athiest population certainly doesn't make us a debaunched society. In fact we're pretty cool and relaxed about life, call a spade a spade and lead respectful lives free from crime and violence.
On the other hand I have travelled to quite a few countries overseas and by and large, the more religious the country, the more social problems seem to raise their ugly head. Violence, intolerence and hatred of people of different creeds is accepted as "normal" behaviour. Where is the humanity and humility.

There are far too many inconsistancies for God to exist. For what we are told God is and is capable of and the reality of humanities existance on earth the facts don't add up. If he was to exist God is a totaly irrational entity, with no lateral thought patterns.
Imagine if he was the leader of a country, he would be considered a Dictator of monumental deeds, no different from so many mortal Tyrants in current positions of power or that of history.

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10-25-2009 09:05 PM  8 years agoPost 866
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False Assumptions, Faulty Conclusions

False Assumptions, Faulty Conclusions
But what about all the supposed scientific evidence that proves evolution? The truth is that the theory of evolution is based on huge assumptions about things that happened in the unobservable past. (Remember that the scientific method requires observation and repeatable research. So calling evolution “science” doesn’t make any sense.

For instance, the theory stands on dubious dating methods. One is carbon dating, a method used to date dead plants and animals. All living plants and animals contain the same ratio of two types of carbon, 14C and 12C, which they get from the atmosphere and from space. When an organism dies, 14C begins disintegrating while 12C levels remain constant. Thus, measuring the 14C/12C ratio in a dead plant makes it possible to estimate how long ago the plant died.

But to precisely determine the plant’s age, at least two questions must be answered: How fast does 14C decay? And how much 14C did the organism contain when it died? In answer to the first question, 14C has a half-life of 5,700 years. (A “half-life” is the amount of time required for half of the atoms — in this case, carbon atoms — in a given sample to decay.)

To answer the second question, scientists made an assumption that the atmosphere’s 14C/12C ratio has remained constant throughout earth’s history. If so, they argue accurate dating is possible up to about 80,000 years — after that the amount of 14C left in a specimen is so small it is undetectable. But if this assumption is wrong, any dates calculated by this method are untrustworthy.

In science experiments, assumptions are critical. But if the starting assumption is false, the ensuing experiment will lead a scientist to draw a flawed conclusion, even if his calculations appear correct. Willard Libby, the developer of carbon dating, drew his conclusions based on the assumption that the earth was millions of years old. He calculated that it would take about 30,000 years for an atmosphere’s 14C/12C ratio to reach equilibrium. When he discovered that earth’s ratio was not in equilibrium, meaning it must be younger than 30,000 years, he dismissed it as an experimental error!

Suppose you enter a room with one door and no windows. In the middle of the room, a burning candle sits on a table. With nothing else to do, you try to figure out how long the candle has been burning. You start by observing how fast the candle is currently burning; how many inches per hour, for example. Does that tell you how long it’s been burning? No, because you don’t know how tall it was when it started burning. Suppose a note on the table stipulates that the candle was three feet tall when it was first lit; now you can calculate how long it’s been burning based on how tall it was to begin with and how fast it’s burning now.

But wait. When you entered the room, the open door let in more oxygen, so now the candle would be burning at a faster rate than before. Even if you know the present oxygen level of the room, you wouldn’t know what it was before you opened the door. Without an observer taking careful notes during the entire process, you can only guess as there are simply too many unknowns to make an accurate calculation.

It’s the same with carbon dating: There are simply too many variables. Scientists don’t know how old the earth is because they don’t know and can’t observe what has happened in the past. Or how the environmental factors have changed. Amazingly, an entire religion has been established on these dubious assumptions. It seems strange then that evolutionists ridicule the faith of Christians. Believing in evolution requires far more faith than believing in creationism.

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10-25-2009 09:06 PM  8 years agoPost 867
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Evidence for Creation

Evidence for Creation
Increasingly, genuine science suggests a young earth, which supports the biblical creation story. Bear in mind that even the most advanced techniques cannot detect 14C in specimens older than 80,000 years. In 1997, the Radioisotopes and the Age of the Earth group (RATE) began an eight-year project researching data typically ignored or censored by evolutionists. One of their discoveries was significant levels of 14C found in various samples of both coal and diamonds collected worldwide. The finding indicates that the coal and diamonds could not be billions of years old, as evolutionists claim.

Scientists also now know that the 14C/12C ratio has not been the same throughout earth’s history. (For one thing, the amount of 14C in the atmosphere increased sharply around the time of the Industrial Revolution.) Physicists Suess and Lingenfelter have now shown that 14C is entering the atmosphere about 30 percent faster than it is leaving. When it comes to carbon dating, this means that a thousand-year-old specimen appears much older than it really is when dated by a method that assumes atmospheric equilibrium. In fact, the older a specimen, the greater the error!

Even when correcting for the known increase of 14C during the Industrial Revolution, specimens still appear older than they really are. Moreover, the layer of water described in Genesis as surrounding the pre-Flood earth could have shielded the atmosphere from much of the 14C entering from space. Thus, pre-Flood specimens would contain so little 14C that they would appear to have been decaying for tens of thousands of years.

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10-25-2009 09:19 PM  8 years agoPost 868
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If he was to exist God is a totaly irrational entity, with no lateral thought patterns.
Of course this might be how it seems
But if you don't know him or learn about him you will never understand
Even those closest to him may not know why things happen just that they do

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10-25-2009 10:18 PM  8 years agoPost 869
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The truth is that the theory of evolution is based on huge assumptions about things that happened in the unobservable past.
Oh the irony of that statement!

Carbon dating methods are much more complex than you have alluded to. It is always verified with other archeological evidence. When a sample is too old for the carbon method, other more precise and more expensive methods, such as K isotope dating are used to determine the age of a specimen.

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10-25-2009 10:42 PM  8 years agoPost 870
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Religious freaks spend way too much time trying to make the world see things THEIR way and not nearly enough time contributing to it.
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You can be a religious person but this doesn't mean you have to be a religious freak!
I'm not calling anyone a freak.Only pointing out that there are some.

As far as my asking questions about gods and religions....I don't.Not directly.Because the answer is of no interest to me.
I only ask questions that I'm sure there is no answer to only to show the futility in asking or even caring about the answers.

I don't care if you worship a freakin frog.Seriously.
Don't try to convert me or anyone else for that matter.It's not your place.

If there is some god or whatever and he wants to convert me,he can step in and try it himself.But without tangible proof of ID I doubt I would believe it coming from god himself.
I'd sooner believe one of the freaks like David Coresh(or however his name is spelled).

If you know an absolute answer to any of my questions,tell me.
If not,leave it be.

I literally never use the word literally right.

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10-25-2009 10:43 PM  8 years agoPost 871
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Just because I may not be right doesn't mean anyone else is.

I literally never use the word literally right.

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10-25-2009 11:01 PM  8 years agoPost 872
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I don't believe anybody is trying to convert you
just trying to help you find the answers

You have some very good questions and they have merit

Instead of getting upset take a moment to reflect on your question
you already know most of the questions

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10-25-2009 11:07 PM  8 years agoPost 873
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The fundamentals of existence and the origins of the Universe are definable realities to those with open minds and the appropriate educations.

It's a commonly-known characteristic of our species that we aren't born with instinctual knowledge, as are many other species. We only learn as we live and grow, and sadly what is 'learned' is often BS rather than what is real.

The problem with trying to explain Reality to Fable Thumpers is that far more often than not, their minds have been conditioned -- often through no fault of their own -- to hold on with irrational vigor to false fables which have been virtually pounded into them since childhood.

As a result, a Fable Thumper's typical knee-jerk response to sensible, scientifically-sound explanations to questions about the fundamentals of existence and the origins of the Universe is to reject all ideas which even remotely appear to contradict their misinformed and/or misguided beliefs.

It's easier to mow a football field with a toenail clipper than to open the eyes of folks who've been learning since childhood to draw comfort from fables.

As with every existential problem in life for humans, the answer is education.

History sadly shows that for numerous illogical reasons, few choose this path.

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10-25-2009 11:40 PM  8 years agoPost 874
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The fundamentals of existence and the origins of the Universe are definable realities to those with open minds and the appropriate educations.
What you are refusing to buy into Gimby is that appropriate educations also recognize divine origins. Both sides, educated properly, can present their cases properly.

Its doubtful if anyone can do that here and make it convincing to the other side. To much information to present here. You can keep trying to keep the thread going. Up to you.

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10-26-2009 12:04 AM  8 years agoPost 875
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science will never explain GOD.

Wolves don't lose sleep over the opinions of sheep

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10-26-2009 12:28 AM  8 years agoPost 876
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science will never explain GOD.
Belief in God is a faith. Not a science.

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10-26-2009 12:37 AM  8 years agoPost 877
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The very reason that "educated" detractors must use insults and belittling rhetoric.

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10-26-2009 01:59 AM  8 years agoPost 878
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The very reason that "educated" detractors must use insults and belittling rhetoric.
Yeah, one tries to outdo the other with so called facts and its impossible. A no win debate.

Although, at times, it can be kinda interesting.

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10-26-2009 02:04 AM  8 years agoPost 879
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"educated" detractors

Some of them are incapable of thinking in terms of things that cannot be "proven". Just remember... when you get in that situation where all that is left is to scream for God.... do it..... you won't find a scientist anywhere close. Matter of fact the scientist will be calling for God right along with you.

Wolves don't lose sleep over the opinions of sheep

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10-26-2009 02:39 AM  8 years agoPost 880
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the scientist will be calling for God right along with you.
That you imagine this is so has no connection whatsoever to reality.

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