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10-25-2009 08:36 AM  8 years agoPost 841
Dennis (RIP)

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There will always be a certain percentage of knuckleheads that will take advantage of a good thing and spoil it for millions of others.

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10-25-2009 12:01 PM  8 years agoPost 842
hootowl

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What came before? I haven't figured that one out yet, but I know --
That would make a great signature LOL

Wolves don't lose sleep over the opinions of sheep

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10-25-2009 12:03 PM  8 years agoPost 843
hootowl

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A god should not forgive someone that commits multiple bad acts if they think they will always be forgiven using god as an excuse no matter what they do.There are certain things that should never be forgiven.
Ah but in his mind he is deceiving. He is forgiven only if in his mind he truly repents.

Wolves don't lose sleep over the opinions of sheep

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10-25-2009 12:15 PM  8 years agoPost 844
hootowl

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Are we just a bunch of "by chance" animals that just so happen to have evolved faster that the other animals on this earth? Being the only ones capable of taking the elements of the universe and reordering them into things which can and will destroy ourselves with?

And as I asked before.... can we just go about murdering, raping, torturing... and then put a gun to our heads... or better yet... take a nice eternal sleep with sleeping pills.

No punishment for these acts? Have I escaped punishment?

Without the fear of the "Law" what would keep us from simply taking the possessions and lives of others?

What are our laws based on?

Do not murder.
Do not steal
Do not lie about others

Wolves don't lose sleep over the opinions of sheep

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10-25-2009 01:34 PM  8 years agoPost 845
tripergreenfeet

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However, how do you know this child will not also be enjoying an eternity of bliss? If so, this eternity of bliss would completely wipe out any painful memories of the past.
That's rediculous.Completely.
No amount of good can erase pain and suffering.None
So god will erase the memory of pain for the child. What about the parents, the rest of their lives will be filled with deep pain and regret. Every waking hour and the darkness of night will bring pain. Is this not a form of hell, mortal toture if you will.

What kind of cruel bastard is god to let the parents & families suffer like this. What sins are so great that god would punish them to hell on earth. I thought god reserved his judgment to send man to hell after his death, not while alive.
At the same time we have the radical Muslims that praise Allah, at the same time perpretating cold dark evil by the desire to kill the infedels. That's 2 opposing, action and faith, they tie together.
Education in real world matters are the only real way to end it though.
As long as there is blind faith,there will be radicals.
There have been just as many deaths in the name of a christian god as there have been in the name of allah.
Christians and Muslims, weather they be moderate or fanatical, worship the same Abrahamic God. Go figure.
What are our laws based on?

Do not murder.
Do not steal
Do not lie about others
These are three of the ten commandments, right?
And when did these Laws come to be?
Where they written by a group of men 2000 years ago?
Didn't the Ancient Greeks have similar Laws 3000 years ago?
What about the Ancient Egyptians? I do beleive there legal systems mentions laws of the same nature.
Did these crimes only get commited before Jesus?
Has the writing in stone of these laws stopped these same crimes today?
Or did these laws form out of necessity through living in communal society ten thousand or more years ago?
Christianity cannot lay claim to exclucivity to these laws, through the Ten commandments as seems to be it's aim.
Without the fear of the "Law" what would keep us from simply taking the possessions and lives of others?
The powers that be(religion and government) falsly use "Fear" to make us beleive that we must follow "Law" and that "Fear " is they only possilble way to make this happen.
I think we are missing the Humanist side of the argument, it is through humanities social interaction and social experience that teaches us it is better to co-operate with one another for the sole purpose of survival of the human species. Sure, there are a minority of humanity that bucks this system but they soon find themselves on the outer, banished to prison or exiled from their communities.

This is what makes us no different from the animal kingdom.
Who here has had experience with Animal Husbandry?
Quite clearly it can be seen when breeding animals that certain offspring are renegades, going against the pack when the majority co-operate for the greater good of the flock. The minority soon find themselves on the outer circle as the majority that co-operate do not tolerate dissident behaviour. No different to Homo Sapiens really.

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10-25-2009 02:05 PM  8 years agoPost 846
Blade_Master1

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I'm glad you guys are continueing to Discuss it

I had given a link earlier for you guys to find the answers to your questions.

Please check it out: you guys are arguing with out first researching the topic

http://www.amazingfacts.org/

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10-25-2009 02:22 PM  8 years agoPost 847
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This is what makes us no different from the animal kingdom.
Who here has had experience with Animal Husbandry?
So we should live by the law of survival of the fittest? Like the barnyard or the jungle? And we should cast out the misfits?
Boy, the gay rights and women's libs are going to love you!

Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about!

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10-25-2009 02:30 PM  8 years agoPost 848
baby uh1

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Gimble,
Are you going to shoot your daughter off in an unproven rocket because a scientist told you he has a theory that it might bo OK?
As far as stoning her, My God told me to live bt the Ten Commandments and the Golden Rule so no.
And as far as the all knowing science goes, tell me, what is gravity made of and how does it work? Why can't man reproduce it?

Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about!

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10-25-2009 03:07 PM  8 years agoPost 849
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So we should live by the law of survival of the fittest?
We already do, what do you think has been going on since life began. We battle each other and the the forces of nature on many levels from a minor debate on a forum to torture and murder, cold and heat, earthquake and tsunami to earth shattering meteors.

Here is an example of survival of the fittest and the rescue of the weak against nature.

A week ago I was swimming at a sheltered spot near my home on the southern coast of Australia. While swimming I heard cries of help. Upon inspection I found two German tourists who's son had been washed off the smooth granite rocks that shelter the inside swimming hole from the ocean swells. He was stuck in what is known as a key hole, a norrow slot in the rocks that has swell rushing in and out of. The boy, who turned out to be thirteen was in serious trouble getting smashed against the rocks. Now, if I had been weak and not had 25 years of surfing experiance, there is no possible way I could have saved the boy. In that environment, I could be considered to be in the "Fittest" catorgery, which alowed me to survive in the act of rescue and therefore the survival of the weak.
This was no act of god, just the actions of one humanist to another.
This is not the first time I have rescued a person from the ocean, four other youngsters have benifitted from my humanism.
And we should cast out the misfits?
We already do, that's what s prisons are for, the misfits. Cast out of society until they have done the time for the crime.
Unless until recently you belonged to the clergy who commited acts of pedophilia, who were activley protected, not cast out.
Or belonged to a corrupt government such as Mugabies in Zimbabwae that uses a loose vail of religion to justifies it's crimes against humanity.
Boy, the gay rights and women's libs are going to love you!
I have been involved with the breeding of goats and camels, both of which some individuals indulge in homosexual behaviour. They are not cast out by the rest of the mob. Nothing un-natural about that.
Personally I think goats are cool, camels, not so cool.

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10-25-2009 03:16 PM  8 years agoPost 850
RC/helicopman

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So god will erase the memory of pain for the child. What about the parents, the rest of their lives will be filled with deep pain and regret. Every waking hour and the darkness of night will bring pain. Is this not a form of hell, mortal toture if you will.
Tripergreefest, you are not the only one that has felt the pain of a child or parent or brother or sister or spouse that has gone to soon or died in a tragic way. Everyone will probably suffer those feelings eventually and even though that person may be loved and missed, every waking hour and darkness of the night does not have to continue to be as you describe it, Hell on earth.

But let's consider on thing first. If there is No God, would there be any less mental "torture."
What kind of cruel bastard is god to let the parents & families suffer like this. What sins are so great that god would punish them to hell on earth. I thought god reserved his judgment to send man to hell after his death, not while alive.
What kind of God is this, he is the kind of God that will bring back that child in the next life and allow it be with it's parents so they can all live in an eternity of peace and happiness.

No offense meant to you, but your understanding of God appears to be very limited. No one human understands everything about God, but the Bible explains many things that we do need to know. It would seem that you evidently have not read the book of Job. If you had, maybe you would understand the challenge recorded in the Bible by Satan. Making an accusation that Job and by extension all mankind, only serve God for the good they can get out of him. Therefore saying that if God didn't give Job everything all the time, he wouldn't believe in him. God permitted Satan to test job to prove this was not true.

Sometimes a parent will take a small child to a doctor to get vaccinated. Naturally, the child will cry a lot, but the temporary bit of pain will benefit the child after this.

This might not compare to the pain and suffering someone goes through if they lose the child in a tragic way, but of course it also doesn't equal the absolute joy that will be expressed by both the child and the parent when they are reunited in the next life.

But time most allow the challenge made by Satan to be answered before God can do this.

I will gladly go through that pain and suffering now to get to that next life.

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10-25-2009 03:49 PM  8 years agoPost 851
Blade_Master1

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This was no act of god, just the actions of one humanist to another.
This is not the first time I have rescued a person from the ocean, four other youngsters have benifitted from my humanism
Strange how God uses people to do his work
Have you thought of why you happen to be at the right place in the right time?

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10-25-2009 05:45 PM  8 years agoPost 852
McKrackin

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Strange how God uses people to do his work
Have you thought of why you happen to be at the right place in the right time?
It was a coincidense.That's all.
How many more good people were killed all over the world that same moment with noone in the "right place at the right time"?

I still don't think bliss can erase a life of pain.
Another thing,religious zealots always talk about families being reunited in their glorious heaven.Hmmm.
If my child dies at 4 yrs old and I die 50 yrs later,when we are "reunited",will my child be as a 4 yr old or what?Will he be 44?
No matter what,he will be a stranger to me.People as well as relationships are the sum of their experiences.
And since god allows marriage after the death of a spouse,does that mean many people in heaven have harems?
What a joke.lol...

The pain of Job??
Please.lol....Oh,OK,I feel much better knowing someone has suffered more than me.So your god is a devil to all he chooses to be.So what?

I literally never use the word literally right.

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10-25-2009 05:49 PM  8 years agoPost 853
helicopter

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Here is a logically thought-out consideration.

Marilyn Adamson does a spectacular job explaining the
title of this Runryder conversation.

http://www.everystudent.com/features/isthere.html

But before you click, here are Jesus' own words
regarding the issue:

John 6:29 Jesus answered, "The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent."

But bare in mind, you just don't get out of bed one day
read a report on the internet and 'decide' to believe in Jesus!

Again: John 6:44 "No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him, and I will raise him up at the last day."

Some of the respondents here have already closed off their minds
to hearing the still, small voice of the call of the Father
and will indeed most likely be lost. But if your ears are
open to the possibility, and your eyes still wish to see Jesus,
there is hope that you may hear HIM calling you.

God Himself must show your inner 'heart' the Truth of
the veritable reality of the resurrection. That is the
Resurrection of Jesus, and your own!

What is impossible with man is possible with God.

God has given us HIS WORD. The Bible is a supernatural Book.
The words therein are LIVING WORDS.

Jhn 6:63 "The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you are spirit and they are life."

Read The Bible and ask God to reveal Himself to you.

I love gravity, it always keeps my feet planted when I fly!

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10-25-2009 05:52 PM  8 years agoPost 854
gian

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No offense meant to you, but your understanding of God appears to be very limited
Wow, what? Ok.

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10-25-2009 05:53 PM  8 years agoPost 855
gian

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Read The Bible and ask God to reveal Himself to you.
Man, if you've seen this you should be committed.

You are all describing your EMOTIONS. Not God.

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10-25-2009 06:01 PM  8 years agoPost 856
McKrackin

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"The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you are spirit and they are life."
Then why even bother with life here?Why not just create those souls he wants and have them born right in heaven?

I literally never use the word literally right.

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10-25-2009 07:26 PM  8 years agoPost 857
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"The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you are spirit and they are life."
Then why even bother with life here?Why not just create those souls he wants and have them born right in heaven?

if you go to the website you can find the answer to that question
I wish I had the answer for you but I can only tell you where it is

http://www.amazingfacts.org

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10-25-2009 07:51 PM  8 years agoPost 858
McKrackin

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if you go to the website you can find the answer to that question
I wish I had the answer for you but I can only tell you where it is
You wish you had an answer??What,you don't?
Have you been to this site yourself?

I'm not going to visit some site for religious nuts.
Enough already.
I'm not trying to change your beliefs.I'm not even interested in your beliefs.
I'm just saying you can't change mine nor is it your place to try.

Religious freaks spend way too much time trying to make the world see things THEIR way and not nearly enough time contributing to it.
Rhetoric and babbling is not a contribution.
Cures for diseases and cleaner fuels are.
This requires science.Not god.

I literally never use the word literally right.

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10-25-2009 08:19 PM  8 years agoPost 859
tripergreenfeet

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if you go to the website you can find the answer to that question
I wish I had the answer for you but I can only tell you where it is

http://www.amazingfacts.org
I checked out that AmazingFacts site. Totally ambiguous, I tried searching for answers to specific questions. What does it give you, more ambiguous bluff that is hypercritical, stears around the subject with either loose langauge or psuedo science. This is not a logical, laterally formed site and the opinions held therein reflect this with no uncertain doubt.

I'm happy for you to believe what is fed to you from sources such as AmazingFacts, however this plays no rational part in the issues concerning the modern world in which we live.

If you wish to direct me to definite answers to my Q's about religion, please give me specific, direct links to the answer. Not another home page of a site with very little factual content.

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10-25-2009 08:24 PM  8 years agoPost 860
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I know he does exist

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